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erandria390071dthe dev community loooooves to circlejerk.
DubbaThony85371dwell, if you can actually do anything with wordpress fucked up docs (unless they fixed it last 2 years) that actually properly wroks, you're a dev.
But still wordpress deserves magma hot hate.
Fast-Nop1717871dDev 1: what are you eating?
Dev 2: horse shit.
Dev 1: this sucks.
Dev 2: have you ever eaten horse shit?
Dev 1: no.
Dev 2: okay.
C0D44248971ddev 1: so what are you working on these days?
dev 2: some wordpress project.
dev1: hahaha. wordpress is shit. are you a real developer?
dev 2: have you ever used wordpress?
dev1: Yes and i still want to burn it with fire 5+ years later.
Kage111871dI work with WordPress on a daily basis, have been working with it for the past 3 years or so.
WP's codebase isn't a well thought out structure that follows well defined standards with an easy API to work with.
it's a bunch of slow spaghetti code, which is mostly is over a decade old and follows the same old (bad) practices. Every time I work with the database in WP I lose a little bit of will to live.
For some reason WP doesn't follow PSR but their own coding standards, which in my opinion is just terrible. who programs like this?!
I also hate how WP still doesn't use any templating engine, PHP+HTML tends to be hella unreadable.
Plus the templating system they follow is so confusing (see attached image).
WordPress is good for business, because it's easy to set up and most things are available through plugins and themes. It's cheap for your boss but not cheap for you because you'll require a lot of therapy to not end your own life.
Kage111871dI've also worked with Laravel and Symfony at school, but have kept working with WordPress because of work.
If anyone needs to work with WordPress, I recommend Themosis.
It's basically Laravel + WordPress. And makes adding your own code a much better experience.
Froot912171dJust PHP things
@Kage Think is you have total freedom to use whatever fuck you want in the template or plugin. If you want to use any template engine or react or angular or whatever you can use it. It's easy to blame wordpress than trying out of the box. Now . they also have nice rest api. So you don't need to touch theme.
stackodev899071dSooooo tired of all the hate on WordPress, which runs, like, 35% of websites now and basically is my bread-and-butter as far as consulting. Make something better that is just as successful, or more successful, and then you have the right to hate on it. No FOSS software is perfect. It's only as good as the individuals in the communities that lead, write, and support it.
Honestly, for fun we could gather and rewrite wordpress.
Sure we could.
But. You have so much time?
Do I have so much time? If I get few years sentence and manage to get my PC there, sure, rest assured I will rewrite wordpress. and joomla too.
but now, it is what it is. Wordpress won so much of market becouse its easy to use as USER not as DEV. That's difference. 30% of sites, most of them small companies that have less than 20 people and personal blogs. You think you will find many programmers within that community? You will find... some. But there is no reason to make wordpress good. it's there. so it's good enough for 90% of users. some will complain becouse others complain, some like me will complain becouse they have a reason, but only few of these will give enough fucks to actually do something about it. Becouse there are alternatives for writing a PHP code. But most of people that struggle with e-mail will also struggle with setting it up.
Wordpress really is shit.
stackodev899070d@DubbaThony Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not, but I agree that it's not a simple matter to just "do better than WordPress". And yet I hear all the time that "I could do it better", and nobody does. So, until then, we continue to meet the business goals of non-technical users by presenting them with easy-to-use (yet inelegant) solutions to their problems so they can be profitable.
EDWCode29470dWith all do respect. Yes, wordpress is shit. But have you encountered prestashop? It's a "masterpiece" that I think even it's developers don't know how everything works anymore, still, one of the favorite CMS for shops..
And wordpress.. does anyone has some gasoline? I have some matches, no idea why it's that popular even..
heh, mate, unfortunately humans arent as simple as code...
So you are unsure if I agree or not (boolean)
Problem is... it depends on which line. I neither agree or not.
I think we should continue our hate towards Wordpress becouse saying its not elegant is gross understatement.
But I dont say "do it better yourself" and Im not going to unless you start bitchfest for wtf reasons.
I say basically that wordpress sucks, and thats part of where I dont agree with you defending wordpress, BUT making it not sucking is pointless for pretty much all of us given effort - to - gain ratio. So... I am able to understand both parties, and I agree partially on both sides.
Wordpress sucks but from buissness perspective its too pointless to change it, so let it be just bad. So I agree partially.
Gasoline? right now my car is has few liters left so nope for me. But I wanna see shit burn. ping me when you will cast fire and I will grab popcorn ;)
In all seriousness, There is polish SaS called Szoper (yes, using Z not H cuz reasons...)
(https://www.shoper.pl/en/). If you want to see REAL broken garbage where tech support (actual programer at one point) failed to help us with their crashes... After few hours I managed to fix the crashing point of their code (which was gracefully overwritten by update)... yeeah. that's your go-to.
We are right now switching to prestashop and oh boi, people in our company working on it call it sooo awesome. Something that works, and something that dosent cause them to ask me (another department lol) how to fix szoper every like... 2-3 days.
Ive seen workarounds in it. Just Beautyfull.. Majestatic... Can we purge it already?
apparently they fixed that typpo in their name. It was hillarious anyway when it was a thing.
EDWCode29470d@DubbaThony one of the reasons when prestashop is a bumb thing is when new version rolls out. No one knows then how shit works anymore and has to learn some things from scratch. Again and then again, plugins doesn't work, templates brake, some things have been rewriten countless times already. I agree, it's better than some shit CMSs, but again, I see no reason at all why it is so popular. Well I see one, more money for some company after new version rolls out, that made original website to redo things.
Well, with SaaS I mentioned before we had situations when it just literally died without apparent reason.
Just boom, dead. Crashed. No updates, no changes in templates. Just... RIP. And furious client calling, you get the chain. With presta you can take backup before critical operation, put site down with maintainence or something like that and everyone is happy. Or at least... happier than if it just dies one night just becouse it feels like doing so...
C0D44248970d@funnyfunfuck it's a half assed attempt at a blog system that's been brutally fucked in the ass over the years to be used for CRM, ERP and E-commerce systems. There's nothing about it that makes sense.
- The syntax does not follow PSR they just made their own thing up in the name of "we don't care for standards"
- The database structure is still a warped mess of poor content relations.
- The plugins are just a plague of disaster, anyone can write Template injecting bullshit and sell it for a dime, then you have the issue of random chunks of code being thrown into a pre-existing template, and plugins becoming perfect targets for attack.
- if you use it as a blog, so be it. When it's brutally converted into something it's not built for, or designed to handle architecturally, you end up with a clusterfuck of a mess.
- the updates don't check for compatibility with existing code and just break things left right and center and leave you to deal with the mess while plugin devs fix it abandon their work.
- shall I go on?
drdre120570dI am a developer.
I do some wordpress in my free time (related to some voluntary work for a non profit).
I can confirm wordpress sucks.
Wouldn't do it as my job or hobby even if it paid well.
dUcKtYpEd209365dWordpress is dev work. It’s a more simplified introduction to dev work but none the less
geryy11365dInstalling a theme and free Plugins is not development, just a heads-up if you ever have to work on real project's 😘🤪
stackodev899065dClient: Here’s money to eat and pay rent. Please build me a WordPress site.
Dev: No. I don’t like to eat and homelessness is underrated. Besides, I have my reputation to consider.
Ubbe37432dWP cannot be total shit as it is so commonly preferred. But I sure do not like it at all. Wildly prefer Drupal, both in itself and because it has countless great modules while WP has countless plugins that are often useless and commonly will cost you. I don't mind paying but in practice it means that they are made by one or two guys in some cellar. I once needed a form plug in for a WP project. I bought Ninjaform which was like the market leader at the time. Didn't work well and the shit contained 68 index.php files...
That's typical WP plugin quality, unfortunately.
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