!dev but definitely rant

Here's a fucking thought:
How is holding women over different standards at events and (non-physical) competitions (hackathons especially, somehow) NOT widely considered sexist? I don't even mean towards men - yes, of course.
But also towards women: By preferring their results in some competitions in order to "support them", you implicitly degrade them to be small children in need for praise. You imply that you expect them to perform worse. By "women-first" PR bullshit, you do what you claim to be against. Fuck you.

Why can't we just hold everyone to the same fucking standards? Women can be just as good in tech as men, when interested. I would even make a point that these different standards hold back women from trying to get into any tech-related career.

(!dev because it does not just apply to software dev, but other tech fields)

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Don't know but thats like the 3.rd post about that today.
Oof

Supposedly preferring women is a way to artificially increase their numbers in the workforce temporarily. I think the concept is that once tech becomes socially accepted as a career for women these practices and quotas that render them unable to experience a fair victory can be dropped.
The problem is actually so severe that all of my female friends have decided to study catering because "that's what girls do". I attend a maths focused high school.

Indeed I personally find it sexist, we should have the same bars for all people, physical and non physical.

We are all human, after all.

Yeah, I'm fine with sports being segregated 'cause that's just science, but the whole "girls in tech" thing is out of hand if you ask me. If they have the interest they'll come - you don't hold "athletes in tech" conferences either, right?

But that whole femipower movement is just 'dozing on at the moment and while I don't understand it, I find no real reason to actively oppose it either, except when you see competent males put aside to meet some gender quota bullshit, but that's rare at least.

Everything is obvious. We all know that women have lower upper body strength. Typing on a keyboard is a serious workout ;D

I have been working in IT for a while. I remember 15 years ago having a woman as a developer was always a curiosity. Nowadays, we have so many in our company I lost count. As it became less of a curiosity nobody really cares any more. Not so many different standards either.

I guess they want to be more welcoming with those different categories, but we are already nearing a time when it is not just sort-of-offensive but it is actually offensive to hold women to different standard.

Same standards: yes! But not the whole "women in tech" is bad. I can totally see how it is easier for women to start a career in tech when they see other women in tech instead of just a lot of men. And that probably true for any sort of group.

because it's more likely than not that a woman was not given the same enthusiastic support for her education and career in tech. You're assuming that everyone has the same chances and opportunities in a field when that just isn't true. It's the same reason companies need active policies to go out of their way to hire POC or other minority groups. If it was all based equally on qualifications then obviously you'll mostly hire white men since that is a typically better educated group...and would remain that way if we didn't actively try to include other people by going out of the way to accomodate them. The more women or minority groups are hired the less of these programs or different standards we will need.

Artificialy increasing the number of woman is stupid. Making sure that interested people have easier time holding to their field is the way to go.
Just support people that are interested, dont flood the field with non interested people because it will harm everybody.

@SHA-16384

Here's a quote, from my rant:
"at events [...] and competitions (especially hackathons)"

This is in no way related to life at an actual job. I am fully aware of the unfairness going on there because of some idiot boomer sitting in upper management.

Holding women to the same standards performance-wise, at a single event? The only issue I see is people that don't. Those hackathons aren't helping.

I wasn't talking about what holds women back in their CAREER. Again, I was talking about competitions and events, where none of the issues you mentioned can actually be solved, and instead, more unfairness is created.

Yes, I hate that women lose their jobs over having kids. It's unfair.
Some absolute idiots that are still discriminating, and those that still make unwanted comments are the issue. This should be addressed.

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If women are preferred at events and competitions, companies that potentially hire women have this in the back of their minds. "Oh she only won because she's a women and they're preferred here" is not a good way to get hired as a woman.

If a woman wins at such a competition because of her actual skill, on a level playing field for both men and women, without any harassment and prejudices, it's much more valuable for companies.

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I've never seen a decent female developer who can actually code, most of them either copy it or suck your dick over helping them with it. Women just don't have the logical capability of dealing with code. Even life itself, probably because they never had to and never will, too many soyboys around.

@FuckTS I have seen women who can code properly. Thus, I disagree with you. I also disagree with them "not having the logical capability of dealing with code". This does not depend on the gender.

@FuckTS Some of the best mathematicians and physicists I know personally are women, and I know quite a few. In IT there are fewer, but they are just as competent as anyone.

@jbrandona119

"enthusiastic support"? I'd like to know where anyone ever receives such support when pursuing such a career. I sure as hell haven't experienced it. Quite the opposite, actually.

About the hiring situation: I'd prefer purely skill-based assessments, without prior knowledge of a person's ethnicity, religion, hell even voice. That'd make it really hard for companies to "hire white people because they are usually more educated than minorities". Education ≠ skill. I know some people doing well in school, but being absolute morons in actual life.

Basically: Instead of artificially supporting certain "groups" of people (thereby further splitting them into groups, for fuck's sake, we are all humans!), how about forcing companies to assess skills over any other thing of potential candidates?