Getting a computer

I used to think exactly the same before start developing on a Macbook Pro. PHP, using Ampps with XDebug and Eclipse btw... Must say I actually changed my mind in no time.

This is OS not computer.

@veslav well observed

Do you want a gaming computer?
No -> Linux
Yes -> Windows

Do you want to use the command line?
Yes -> Linux
No -> Windows

Do you want a Linux?
Yes -> Linux
No -> Windows

@jiraTicket So 4k @60fps (gsync enabled) on a Linux based laptop qualify for gaming? (Currently playing Max Payne) or do I still say that Linux is "not ok for gaming"? Where does this stop?! Actually - I don't care but will go ahead and post. Keep running W10. Cheers --

@stable-penguin Do the same with Fallout 4?

@stable-penguin Dude, I'm a Linux lover myself, used it exclusively for a year. But when it comes down to it, right now most games only work on Windows. I long for the day they work on Linux without hacks, but that day isn't today.

@oskaremil I haven't played it since console and didn't really like it.. looks like it's not a supported game yet and wine support doesn't look great. Not going to buy a game I don't like to prove a point. It may or may not come to Steam/Linux. Look at the trend for other games, specifically the rate of games released for "such a small user base". https://steamdb.info/linux/

Try rocket league? About 600k more steam owners and 2X online players right now.. I've played both and it runs smoother for me under Linux (and my battery lasts ~4.5 hrs vs ~3.5, the machine runs @45C vs 65+.. etc) On overclocked i7/GTX 1070.

But stats aside, I'll take my freedom, privacy, (and updates when I choose) over anything out of M$. Again, please continue to run W10, I'm sure you'll be happier with it.

@iam13islucky I agree. Luckily there are so many good games that work great, at least enough to keep me busy. Can I run all the games released? No. Do I have time? Nope. It comes down to personal preference, in my opinion.

@stable-penguin I would agree. I'm not very privacy minded, I have an app on my phone and an extension on chrome that sells my usage data for money. So the privacy thing doesn't bother me, in only interested in the extensibility and how it integrates with my workflow. But I play Skyrim, Overwatch, Doom, and tons of indie games. Maybe once Vulcan becomes the norm they'll port more games, but as it is, I'll have to stick to Windows.

As close minded as Trump :)

@iam13islucky I wouldn't say I run Linux for the privacy as much as the freedom. I remember back when I was in middle school and discovered that web page source was available.. I thought it was amazing that I could see the source and how everything came together.

Years later I appreciate that I can see the same on my operating system. If there is a bug or something I want to see why it's performing like it is, I can. If I want to change it, for example modify/toggle parameters in the kernel to better suit my needs, I have the freedom to do so.

That's the type of freedom that I enjoy/miss when I'm not using an operating system that treats me like an adult and like the system owner.

As an informed user I know that it's best to trust but verify. Without the source I cannot verify. Nor can I learn, improve, or contribute.

OK, rant over : )) Thanks for the civil conversation! I honestly appreciate it and like hearing from other devs re: their opinion on this stuff.

I guess I'm one of the few ppl who enjoy developing on windows!

@sotiris-k
you are not alone,
I use Windows + cmder + VMs and vagrant. Loving it :)

@sotiris-k and now we have bash on the Windows stack

Do you want sex?
No -> Linux
No -> Windows
Maybe -> Apple

@sergioct wow.

@stable-penguin what's distro are you running? I'm using linux mint 18 and my battery die after 3 hours using netbeans 😢

@newbiedog I don't know what it is about Java but it ramps my CPUs to max. You could try to limit it with some sand boxing (idk if mint has LXD yet for snapd. from upstream Ubuntu kernel..or if netbeans has a snap pkg). I'm on Arch and it's just as bad if I run any major Java program. Search the AUR for any alternative IDE's.. the voting system is pretty telling.

Also check out firejail. The main developer on GitHub is super responsive and non combative with support. I think his user is netblue or something similar.

Oh, and make sure you install powertop. That could easily add an hour. I get about four hours on a GTX 1070/i7 laptop. I think powertop shows 30w usage or so. My old IBM's can get as low as 5-6w usage for Intel icore processors.

Good luck!

@stable-penguin thanks for the advice!! I don't think i'm ready for arch, i already have powertop maybe got to adjust the settings. I gonna search and try the stuff you said!!! Thanks👍

@newbiedog check the version of powertop. I think I had to install it from GitHub a friend's laptop that has mint. There were some big improvements with the latest stable release.

@stable-penguin thank you!! I'll ckeck it!!

@jiraTicket A friend of mine actually plays games like saints row, the witcher, metro 2033 etc on his Linux pc. Also, steam!