Battery consumption in 6 months.
Logic vs Apple.

This is what you get when you fill a consumer electronic company with a shit load of designers and 0 qualified electrical engineer.

Couldn't it have anything to do with the fact that Apple mouses use a touch surface and the other mouse just uses regular buttons and a rotary encoder? I don't know anything about touch surfaces but I think they would require more power because
1. The touch surface has to be always on, don't know how much energy that consumes though;
2. The mouse needs more powerful hardware to recognize touch gestures and stuff.

(this is a genuine question, not a rhetorical one)

@neeno probably, but I have used bluetooth keyboard with built-in touch pad that consumes way less batteries than this monster.

Mousing intensifies on Apple...

@Grandpapa does the keyboard's touchpad work right away after touching it when it's idle, or do you have to press some key or button first to "wake up" the touchpad?

@neeno That I couldn't remember, but the scroll on the magic mouse can indeed wake up computer from sleep, which means the touch pad on the magic mouse is probably never fully turned off. 🤦

I thought it's a magic mouse but it still uses batteries? smh

I see you're also a man of culture.

My Logitech performance MX is rechargeable, but in fairness it eats through batteries even faster than that Apple mouse, and always has.

Is this tagged as joke/meme because apple is a joke?

Gotta think something wrong with apple mouse there.

Or at least get rechargable batteries man...

I don’t even use a mouse. There’s a rechargeable one now, no need for batteries. Also let’s compare gesture-recognizing capacitive touch panel to a fucking light sensor hot glued to a bunch of mechanical buttons and a rotary encoder for likes. Yikes

Also my comment above doesn’t change the fact that apple mouse ergonomics is in fact garbage. I literally can’t use it, my hand hurts. I’d pick a Logitech over Magic Mouse any day

@AlmondSauce Just looked it up, 20-25 hours in peformance mode is rough man. Thats not a whole lot these days. My G603 will last around 250 in performance for a single AA and around 6 months in standard mode.

If anybody knows how to do mice, its logitech.

Regardless of power usage, the magic mouse is garbage. It's way too flat.

Also, regardless of brand, power usage and ergonomic shape, wireless is garbage.

@bittersweet it’s not. What are you gonna do with that pacemaker, charge it with a huge ass needle? For fucks sake

@bittersweet Looks like someone didnt try a modern wireless mouse.

@uyouthe Obviously I meant for mice.

Although modern wireless mice are reasonable, there is always a bit more input latency compared to wired.

Also, that moment where you go "fuck battery is empty, I hope I brought batteries / cable / charger" completely nullifies the pleasures of wireless for me.

I bought a Sony WH-1000XM3 headset about a year ago, and while the sound & noise cancellation are nice enough, I have the same issue with it — what they call in the EV market "range anxiety".

I always forget to charge it, so 90% of the time I'm using it wired anyway. The fact that you can't charge and use it at the same time makes it only worse.

It's not so much that running empty is a death sentence, but it's enough of an annoyance that "do I have enough charge left in my device" is always nagging in the back of my head.

@bittersweet I got hella lot of multi port chargers and made connecting all my devices to charge my ritual before going to bed. I understand you tho

@bittersweet I think Bose addressed this issue intelligently by announcing the left battery life on their NC 700 headphones when started. That way you know when it's time to charge

@uyouthe I'd be so on board with "a large-distance wireless charging field" penetrating all rooms throughout my house, even if it has to use gamma radiation resulting in ball cancer when I hit 50.

Completely eliminating all wires, sockets and charging pads would be heaven.

@bittersweet Sounds terribly inefficient though.

@bittersweet there is no magic. What would charge at long range would burn and evaporate things at short range. If you place the emitter high enough and somehow figure it all with the local government it might work but just imagine accidentally coming close to that emitter. Also from then on you should always remember that pacemakers exist

@uyouthe Some kind of directional beam works.

Disregarding line-of-sight issues, take high power lasers and photo cells, with some kind of safety fencing which cuts the laser before it loses sight (to prevent free tattoo removal).

Microwave also works, you can create interference patterns with multiple transmitters so the energy is localized in one point in space. The issue is that rooms are messy, in terms of stationary and moving objects and other radiation sources.

Using interference to create high waves in a still swimming pool is easy, but not if there's a dozen children in the pool.

I'm quite certain we'll eventually find a solution which can adapt, there's a concept called time reversal signal processing for example which is used to increase microwave wireless power transfer efficiency. The gist is using multiple antennas to "map" the room like a dolphin, and amplify interference towards one receiver, like pushing a swing higher every time it comes back.

@bittersweet the fact that we’ll find it doesn’t change that we should be aware of the dangers it introduces. You know that electricity can kill you, right? So wireless energy adoption should be slow and steady

@uyouthe But yeah the reason it doesn't exist yet is more cost & complexity related than it being physically impossible.

You either need line of sight and clunky moving parts, or solve non trivial wave equations with extremely low latency to push efficiency up a hill of diminishing returns.

Still, I bet a combination of better integrated hardware and Machine Learning could eventually make this a reality — your phone might stop charging for a few milliseconds whenever you open a door, changing reflective surfaces and thus changing the wave patterns in your room, but the AI would quickly adjust, locate the device within the altered space, and recalibrate a new transmitting pattern.

@uyouthe Yeah fully agree, I don't want to open the door and "Warp Charge" my left testicle with 200 watts of power instead of my notebook.

@bittersweet 😂😂😂😂😂

But but apple is the best

I have a wireless mouse from logitech aswell

I still have the battery that came with it 1.5 years ago, works fine

Wireless is a PITA if you switch between private and business notebook at a dock.

I use wired Logitech MX510 or MX518 everywhere. While I have one of these in use for 18 years now these mice are are also easy to clean and easy to repair (Philips screws, common micro switches).

PS Bluetooth is today’s video recorder. Buggy AF

@lastNick Indeed, bluetooth can be absolute awful (especially in cars) which is probably why logitech mice use proprietary 2.4 GHz solutions instead.

@theuser And because Bluetooth has a higher latency as far as I know.

But yeah, if it was as reliable as it's expected in theory I'd be a huge Bluetooth fan. Too bad it's more black magic than anything else in many devices.