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@Linux Could be a user problem, but its mostly related to the tasks and work I have to do on those machines.
Anyways, user problem or not, Apple is already in the next universe when it comes to backup and restore.
By the time I have all my programs re-installed on windows, I have already finished the project on my Mac.
And that's not even including restoring the windows registry to optimize my workflow, that would take another week of finetuning. -
@LameCode20 Use Clonezilla (live distro) to make a full disk image after you've configured the machine, and then regularly.
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@LameCode20
Apple is not really in the next universe when it comes to backup and restore, you have just done it wrong with Windows -
@Linux can you be more specific? What did he do wrong with windows?
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@neriald Switched the PC off, which was OK, but then switched it on again and booted Windows.
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@Linux @Fast-Nop My argument is still the same, even with What you said: on a Mac it goes flawless, on windows you have to know how to and have program x and program y to have it restore everything.
On a mac: inserts backup disk, waits half an hour for copying, boots machine and tadaa: as if nothing ever happened. -
@Fast-Nop but thank you for the CloneZilla advice, It looks like I have a new go-to tool to add to my workflow.
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@LameCode20 Windows can't even replace its own DLLs on disk while they are in use, hence the long and stupid update copy on boot. I wouldn't trust any full backup solution that runs under Windows itself while files are open.
But yeah, Clonezilla is nice and free, I've been using that for many years, mostly to guard against disk failure. -
@electrineer No it's still something you have to do yourself, just like you have to make an Image in windows repair Tool.
The difference is that the default Windows setup is a dumpsterfire, while apple restore is flawless. -
@LameCode20 how is it flawless? if you lose everything on one but not the other, but both don't boot anymore, that's not "oh it's better backup software", that's "the apple machine didn't die nearly as hard" which in itself is situational.
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@Fast-Nop That's not the whole thing. It's only the reason for a reboot.
The duration of an update is because Windows e.g. creates multiple recovery points for every small update, so a rollback is always possible during installation (as updates do more than replacing binaries, e.g. editing in the registry and so on). Of course, this does not protect from broken updates itself...
This is not to excuse it, it still takes fucking too long (especially on some Windows server versions...). -
@Parzi it reinstalls the OS but keeps all the rest. Windows reinstalls the OS and only keeps files. Big difference.
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@sbiewald It's also the reason why the reboot isn't just a reboot like after a Linux kernel update, but takes incredibly long. The updates are first copied into some temporary location and then upon boot copied again, with maximum inefficiency.
Also, the Windows restore point implementation is just as inefficient as that update stuff itself, compared to how Timeshift under Linux performs. -
@LameCode20 oh, that. That's because the registry is signed so it can't immediately be just copied to another machine and used. Because the registry is signed, it can't be carried over immediately and since the OS is busted it may be fucked anyway. Since the registry isn't carriable, neither are programs, as they may go apeshit if whatever registry keys no longer exist.
it's an actually working security feature doing its job. -
@Parzi well, Apple is secure too and I like their implementation of the backup restore system more.
I like your use of "it's a feature" though. ;) -
@LameCode20 Because it literally is. If you've ever used something like Hiren's to edit registry keys on a machine without booting from the HDD you know it requires other shit as well as the registry hives.
You also may know that it's a fucking awful idea to directly carry over a Program Files folder from an old install and just drop its contents into a new install's equivalent folder. Shit doesn't tend to work immediately.
To contrast, Mac programs are literally just ZIP files. -
@Parzi Well, feature or not, secure or not. When my Windows device crashes it's a pain in the ass.
When my Mac crashes it takes 40 miutes -at most- and I have every single thing -yes, all of it, even a button toggle somewhere 10 menu's deep in a program- up and running.
I am more than experienced enough to know that copy pasting things on windows as a "restore" is a no-go, hence this post.
I also know that the windows restore cannot be a complete restore because of the way Windows works.
Hence, this post. -
@LameCode20 there's a difference between "crashes" and "is hosed." If you do mean "crashes"... you're wiping and reloading every time Windows BSODs? Really?
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@Parzi No, not at all.
This post was made because I boot up my workstation today and was met with the "Use a USB drive, network connection or Windows Recovery DVD to restore" screen for the fourth time in the past two months.
This is not uncommon at my workplace because we use a lot of specific hardware that tends to have drivers that act funky with the read/write of our workstations and also hardware that could interrupt the boot process in specific situations.
I'm not retarded and I am not reinstalling windows every time I get a bluescreen. With a "crash" I meant, in this thread at least, being unable to boot back into the OS. -
@LameCode20 oh. The term is, among others, "hosed."
Another dev on my team just got a new machine. Before he came in today I made two separate USB installers and ...
Whenever I have my mac crash and corrupt its OS, I just get a backup harddrive and it copies itself FLAWESSLY. I have all my programs, settings, settings in programs and files.
When Windows crashes, and I use the recovery tool, I LOOSE EVERYTHING. The only thing I get to keep are my files, and they most of the time have permission issues after a restore.
Windows is like the toddler that stares out to void of existance and can't do anything but drool on their shirt, while its parents say he's highly gifted.
Fuck me we're able to choose between only a few OS'es that my clients know and allow me to work on but things like this just make me want to go be a chicken farmer or something.
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