Okay, so just now I literally had to force-reboot a laptop because I could not exit vim.

damn.. It really IS a trap.

:q!

Plus come on noob how hard is it to kill a process even if it hangs?

In tmux => ctrl+b + x (or kill-pane)

In i3, just close the window

Open a terminal, do ps -Al, then kill)

Open a tty, find the proc, kill it

use `alias vim=nano` to enable non-shitty-mode.

@tosensei nano is very simple.

@tosensei I get it now. You're constantly mad because things are too complicated for you to use.

It's not our fault you're stupid you know :D

@antigermgerm i ain't mad.

mostly, i'm just disgusted by you.

and in terms of vi(m), emacs and co, i just can't understand why would someone use a text editor that is _sooo much more_ than a text editor - but absolutely sucks at being a text editor.

@antigermgerm okay mr. non-noob, any particular instructions on how to do that in initramfs shell when chrooted and in a vi session and your vt100 control codes fuck up and mess up the whole tty?

@tosensei right, I'm the only person you have problem with lmao

@netikras just don't do that?

@netikras anyway in other news im currently in a cat cafe where the food is being served by a robot with cats standing on it.

How cool is that

@netikras I take it such a malfunction prevents the needed characters from being sent to the terminal.

@cuddlyogre indeed.

@antigermgerm well, I couldn't test the luks-LVM mounting and discovery mechanism before system boot otherwise. And rebooting into a LiveUSB every time is quite tedious, because I have to luks-open, kpartx, mount my host's system into /mnt with all the virtual filesystems from a LiveUSB runtime, chroot, make changes there, update-initramfs and reboot. A bit more tedious than just vi-editing one of the initramfs scipts, ain't it? :)

@netikras totally. I got schooled. What's your main problem though. Some disc not mounting?

Sounds like you need more training...

You need a tutor...

You _need_ `Rvimtutor`.

https://retoor.molodetz.nl/retoor/... .

Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood @retoor.

@antigermgerm Befriending LUKS and LVM in a new setup.

Finally made it work. Here's how, should anyone ever be in the same situation: https://dev.to/netikras/...

@tosensei r u disgusted at people cuz they're smarter than you and you have trauma about it

@antigermgerm shudda taken a picture. it's like cats on roombas

@netikras hmm, interesting article. I didn't enjoy Linux Mint because it did have some custom repos iirc. I prefer to go mainstream with Debian / Ubuntu. OS just has to work.

@tosensei omg, you're also a I'm hater? I'm starting to think you're a troll. I'm all for editor freedom but nano is by far not comparable with vim. Not in syntax highlighting and support in autocompletion and AI capabilities. Nano is a real notepad, vim is a notepad++. But damn, you must be trol.

@antigermgerm never said you're the _only_ worthless shitbag around.

@retoor but that's the beauty of nano.

it's a text editor without any bells and whistles, without any bullshit nobody needs. just a text editor, and nothing else.

simplicity.

the core unix concept of "one tool for one job".

the metaphor of a simple knife, instead of a swiss army knife with 40 tools that make the whole thing utterly unusable gimmick.

@tosensei the UNIX philosophy isn't to hate everything you're too dumb to use.

@antigermgerm there's a difference between "hating something" and "deeming it utterly useless for its purpose"

@tosensei everything is useless until you learn how to use it.

@antigermgerm if a text editor is so complex that anyone needs to learn how to EXIT it, it's a shitty text editor.

@tosensei in that case, nano is kinda bloated. Ed, that's an editor! You can quit it by typing 'q'. How is that not convenient for an editor.

@tosensei this editor you have to learn how to add a line. But same for vim, people smashing all the keys and then - hey - it finally inserted something and not knowing what key it was :P. vim is kinda like everything with a steep learning curve. You get Stockholm syndrome. Kinda like Rust / React devs have. Also C, for sure :P

@retoor it's not convenient when you want to type the letter q ;)

@tosensei yes, that was the joke :p

@retoor didn't realise it as a joke. i know enough people dumb enough to mean it when they say it.

@tosensei i never had to learn how to exit it. If i opened it before I knew how to use it I would just kill the proc, how hard is that.

Also all your orifices are vaginas.

@antigermgerm go suck on something you're allergic to.

@tosensei horses?

@antigermgerm sure, you can suck on that. but you can pick something else. you don't _have to_ enter into your mothers profession.

@tosensei my mum isn't allergic to horses idiot, I am.

@tosensei and I can't suck up horses. They're too big

@antigermgerm and you're allergic.

Horses are stupid anyway, who calls those big fuckers cute?

WHY THE LONG FACE

@tosensei you cannot undo that

I would say that's more reason than ever to use a real editor like Joe.

Because I hate vim

But

Sudo killall vim?

@tosensei why do you people not use Joe?????

@retoor fuck you you like snakes. I like horsies

@AvatarOfKaine too feature laden. when i want a command-line text editor, i want a command-line text editor. not half of an OS.

@tosensei pffft

@tosensei please make sense