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Thank you for making this rant.
You expressed exactly how I feel at this moment. I'm a front end developer and graphic designer, trying to land a job since last year (and more serious in the last 6 months).
I'm mesmerized about the interviews and tests. This week I had one that required I scheduled a call for them, with 4 of my previous managers. And you now what, this is a contractor position. Crazy, right?
I'm also thinking about applying more for design positions, or just try a job in another field, because I feel so tired.
But I always think about the money spent for college and now I'm finishing a master's program in software engineering. It breaks my heart to have to give up development.
Anyway.. we have to keep faith as much as we can. Once I heard the most amazing things in life tend to happen right at the moment we're about to give up hope. Maybe it's true. -
@nanl wow you're in a situation so similar to mine, that is comforting (in a sadistic sort of way lol), thank you
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@donscotty @J-2FA that fascinates me. Best of luck finding someone who fits
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Not sure if it is maybe just the city I live in, but we tried everything but since we have also all the big players in my city (Google, Facebook, Twitter, Snap, as well as a lot of German companies) and they also have a big demand for devs it gets quite hard for us.
Shoutout for anyone in Hamburg that is looking for a job 😄 -
Those are the words of a non capable person and the whiteboard is showing you that.
Dude, if you're so good(you called yourself a proven dev, proven by who? yourslef?) why is it so hard to respond to basic fundamental concepts(those you never search on the web when working) during your interviews?
I might sound hard and pretentious, but I've been rejected of some jobs as well(in the same way that happened to you) and notice I had some weakness at very particular points, take it as an insight and analyze what particularly failed(topic, issue, etc) -
@donscotty the problem with startups is that they usually offer low salary and expect lots of unpaid overtime.
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@CodeMasterAlex I've been doing freelance dev work, but for me it doesn't pay much, if at all. So it is unsustainable with the amount of student debt I've accumulated.
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@arcioneo The things they ask often aren't fundamentals. Anyway, I've been using each as a learning experience, ensuring that I thoroughly understand what they were asking about the next time I have such a question come up in a job interview. But it hasn't helped much, since every company asks seemingly entirely different questions anyway. So I've been building up an extensive knowledge of fundamental concepts, but that still hasn't helped.
Stackoverflow.
when your code is a mess but everything work out in the end
As a full-stack dev who has been looking for a full-time role for over half a year now... How the fuck can it be so difficult to land a job as a dev? I'm a passionate, capable, and proven dev; it shouldn't be this hard.
And why the hell are coding/whiteboard interviews the de-facto standard for deciding if somebody is worthy of a role? Whiteboard interviews are as inadequate and unencompassing a means of determining the quality of a candidate as asking a dentist how well they know the organ structure of the human body.
I've applied to an endless number of positions, so far-reaching and desperate as to even apply to international positions and designer roles instead of developer roles (I've been a graphic designer for over 13+ years). Even with this, most don't get back to you, and the few who do most often just notify you of your rejection. On the rare occasion I land an interview, my chances get fucked up by the absurd questions they ask, as if the things they are asking about are at all an appropriate, all-encompassing measure of what I know.
Aren't employers aware that competent devs are able to learn new things and technical nuances nearly instantaneously given documentation or an internet connection? Obviously, I keep learning and getting better after every interview, though it barely helps, when each interviewer asks an entirely new, arbitrary set of questions or problems....
Honestly, fuck the current state of the system for coding job interviews. I'm just about ready to give up. Why the hell did I put myself through 5 years of NYU for a Computer Engineering degree and nearly $100K in student loan debt, if it doesn't help me land a job?
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