https://github.com/opal/opal/...

When will people start to realize the only thing that should matter is the code?

You could call me a backwoods cracker piece of shit, but if your code is good and does a good job, then fucking use it. Afterall it's just words. I couldn't give a shit. We can scrap it out if I see you in person.

At the end of the day, code is the only thing that should matter.

This issue is one of the best jokes I have ever seen

9/11 Stars

Learn something from him @python

Meh is my new hero, focus on code guys

Guys guys! Cut the fucking presses! This is going to give software engineers a bad rep! Fuck... we’ll be seen as transphobic assholes who drive the world forward

Gosh my head hurts reading that issue.

@growling is this advanced sarcasm??

The entire thread is glorious. Read it guys, you won't be disappointed.

For the love of goddddddd
(´･益･｀*)

@irene this whole situation is fucking annoying from both extremes. But the extreme that wants to damage projects because fucking tweets is dangerous.

While I do want to question for a second what if we replaced "trans" with "black" in this case? Would we still feel the same way?

@irene. Meritocracy means, the best one gets the job. That is contrary to the goals of the CSJWs, which is to get attention for being "special".

Coraline Ada Ehmke is the tip of the spear. And the spear is sharp.
She did not only press her ridiculous Contributor Covenant CoC on anybody who hasn't said "no" quick and firm enough, she is also widely known for violating her own rules on the first opportunity that suits her.

Only Sage Sharp is worse.

I wouldn't let that abomination of a CoC into any of my projects. It does not help, it only forces devs to move their attention away from contributions and towards irrelevant details like politics and sexuality.

I know for a fact that cats and rubber ducks have contributed far more than any of these sweatballs out there @irene

@jeeper there's absolutely no difference to what the contributor is against, he could be eating children and yet I would use his library if it saves me time, there's authorities and laws dealing with what's e.g. free speech or not, I don't stop listening to music either just because the artist committed any type of crime, there's a clear difference between product and creator.

@Bernarnold well, ask the Linux kernel crew about Linus Torvalds...

I get your point, but on the other hand, people didn't stop using ReiserFS just because Hans slaughtered his wife into a bloody pulp.
He has to pay for his crime, but his achievements aren't touched by that. At less not explicitly.

@Bernarnold by your logic everybody here that rants should be reported to their boss and be fired if remotely controversial, even though their professional environment and work they deliver is not affected by their opinion and private life, you ironically sound a lot like the people you seem to want to distance yourself from.

Hope you never get shot/striked by one of those lunatics and lose your job because you said something they might have not agreed with :)

Ehmke and Sharp are lunatic and destructive shit stirrers. What's even more crazy is that there are people who are listening to them - but well, that's Siligone Valley.

@Bernarnold her first and ONLY legit step should have been to answer on Twitter that his tweet sucked. His tweet was not on the Opal account.

Targeting people's existence over their personal opinion is incompatible with freedom of speech and reminds strongly of totalitarian USSR practices.

@Bernarnold @JoshBent

Let's take it a step further: If you have a coworker who supports extreme views online, but behaves professionally in the office, would you fire them?

I feel strongly about separating personal and professional life. As long as behavior does not violate laws, there's no reason for termination.

"Transexuals are not accepting reality" is misguided and ignorant, but it isn't even that offensive — it's the start of a good conversation. If you are offended, you're missing an opportunity.

What do you gain by locking all bigots out of your life?

Do you think that if you exclude all offensive people from the places you visit, that they'll form a circle outside of your safe space, calmly talk amongst each other until they suddenly realize how wrong they were?

@bittersweet hear, hear!

They create bubbles of people limiting themselves to nothing more than recursive back patting.

"Group Think" at its finest!

Unfortunately they do not realize, that "<name/action> offended me!" is not a justification for starting a witch hunt.

I read like hundred posts on that Gihub "issue", yet it seems to keep scrolling for more than I could handle

I support professionalism and also people showing respect to each other regardless of the topic. But it is definitely not right to open a Github issue to discuss such problems

What is this? They are talking as if the code it self was about disrespecting others.

They are talking as if opal project was a huge corporation that will go bankrupt if people stop contributing/using it :\

Freedom of speech is ok, but tiny mind is not :)

If people knew most of the things we say when hunting down a bug, no one will use software :))

I've seen many rants saying: Die fucking bug die!

According to the way they think, that ranter is criminal and we must not use his software, but according to us its just a random shit we say to express anger, we don't mean to kill people :)

@gitpush That reminds me of a network game session I had with friends about a decade ago.

We played Counter Strike "Gun Game", and I went AFK to go outside on the balcony to smoke a cigarette.

So I was out of the game, but still could hear the horde inside.

During that cigarette I wondered: "We are so loud, it riddles me why nobody has called the police, yet, with all the stuff we are shouting..."

And "bug hunting" is in many cases not _that_ different... ;-)

@Yamakuzure hahaha yup yup counter strike is a great example, I've always yelled at my teammates: Kill that bitch he stabbed me with a knife lol (ya I used to be a sniper and get stabbed a lot cuz I focus on part of the map T_T)

Imagine we get a code of conduct for playing games, it will be like:

Dear Teammate,

Unfortunately my digital character passed away. The main reason of leaving digital life was due to being stabbed.

Kindly find the person who did this and ask him nicely to leave this digital life too, it is not fair that I left and he didn't.

Sincerely,

Your teammate from the the real world

@brano88 In the end they merged one:

https://github.com/opal/opal/...

I usually use js_of_ocaml if i have to do js, but now imma give ruby a shot

I mean I'm very anti-transphobic but ffs this guy has a point!
Code is what matters! 💪

@Skayo I think on GitHub, code is what matters.

Outside of GitHub, politics and opinions matter. As long as a despicable person isn't writing despicable things in the codebase and in PR discussions, they should be treated as any other contributor.

I wouldn't mind if Trump fixed my bugs, as long as he kept discussions about migration or trade agreements out of PR comments — and I wouldn't accept counter arguments about his political views in issues/PRs either.

What some people don't seem to get is that coding environments should actually be ultimate safe spaces — safe for EVERYONE, by being completely devoid of unsolicited political discussions.

@bittersweet They don't want safe spaces, quite the opposite. They want to make the whole world an unsafe space for everyone who doesn't agree with their world views. In other words, the authoritarian left is striving for Soviet style totalitarism. That's why there is no "unrelated space" to them - everything is always political, that is the definition of totalitarism.

@SteffTek I see what you did there

meh for president! The most rational voice I've seen in such a discussion lately.

That pink hair monster is the one that made the code of conduct adopted by linux...

@geronimo is she Linus' daughter? Or am I mixing up her with someone else?

@asgs mixed up. Linus daughter wrote something about the end of the meritocracy.

What a clusterfuck...

@Fast-Nop This is it chief.

All about equality... Unless it's not their equality.

They tought us this at school. You have "wrong" opinion -> say goodbye to your job, school for your children, traveling abroad... USSR practices. I hate those moralists.

@asgs no, she's this creep:
https://where.coraline.codes/

I’ve read the article promoted by CarolineAda in that thread. Wow, this was painful.

It reads like a school essay and like a marketing brochure at the same time. Someone should tell the author that she is no longer in school and quoting multiple famous writers/philosophers no longer scores you extra points. Readers actually are looking for merit which seems to be missing. She proposes abandoning meritocracy and utilitarism in favour of... hard to guess, being nice, maybe?

@mordax is that the achievements they talked about? 😶

@matste I looked up her writings on her website - the ones that talk about coding are delightful to read. The ones regarding her political stances are an absolute mess.

If they want to target Elia (the core contributor) then target him, do whatever the fuck they want with him. But they were attacking his project, what's next they call up his wife and say that divorce him because he has other views towards LGBT+ community, what's next the call up his kids, friends. They should call the bank and say that they should not allow him a bank account because he said some hateful things. This whole thing is utter stupidity. If it's so much of a matter then handle it legally. They are doing things like they are in high school.

@py2js Freedom of Speach!
... only valid for themselves...

@Yamakuzure yes. And to be fair to them I totally support them on the fact that what Elia tweeted wasn't right, so go against him on Twitter on any other place but don't ruin a project because of a tweet. Also Meh in the GitHub thread is a hero. A hero we need.

For anyone looking for some more stupidity here is some https://twitter.com/TheNadekoBot/...

I think this and the answers nail this quite good :
https://twitter.com/SylvaSoul/...

@mordax There are over 500 revisions on her wikipedia page? And it even says that it's written like a personal reflection lol.

I'm somewhat worried about the backlash of all this ongoing shit. Employers won't want to employ shit stirrers like Ehmke or Sharp because they ruin the working atmosphere. The thing is that there isn't really much opposition from the LGBT scene to be seen in the media. Sooner or later, that's likely to blow back also on reasonable LGBT folks.

@Fast-Nop

It’s already happening, mostly for smaller software companies.

Not directly related, but I think that Jon Malin has a point here:

https://polygon.com/comics/2018/...

"Nazis and SJWs are both ideologically driven, intent on silencing speech, SJWs continually call anyone that disagrees with them “Nazi’s, racist, sexist, homophobes” and advocate punching anyone the deem a “Nazi”, even the most rational of people like Ben Shapiro(Jewish) who is no threat but offers his opposing views freely."

"SJWs have been and continue to single out a group in the population by race, gender and sexual preference(despite this going against the very things they claim they stand for) primarily Straight White Men to openly bash and blame as the cause of societies ills much like Hitler did with the Jewish population."

A little bit extreme, but surely something to ponder...

Small update on this, go read the actual issue, it just gets more and mroe cringe...

That fucking mess omg

A bit late, but I stumbled upon this one:

https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/...

A great read on this subject, but you need a lot of time to get through. It is really lengthy.

Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha fucking owned!!!

@growling we r not transphobic ... We r binary 1 or 0 ...

@jeeper we are coders not peop evaluators when it cones to code your opinions are shut down unless you reject a very good contribution based on ur opinions only then r u guilty

I am no fan of systemd, but they dealt with that with aplomb.

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/...

Note how this got started. Recognize the scheme?

~(_8(|)

@Yamakuzure Poettering locks and closes ANY kind of bug report, even when systemd rips open a security risk like with the name/root account issue.

@Fast-Nop Well, look at why, then follow up the PR. They discussed that in person at a conference, then took immediate action.

That was quite the way to keep away the screamers and attention whores. No shit-fest like with Ruby or Opal.

Suspicious detail: The Opener of the issue has only three contributions. 1) Join GitHub, 2) Open said issue and 3) Fork ContributorCovenant.

@SauceBoss ((((formerly known as Corey))))

A nice read on the question whether a CoC in general is bad for FOSS projects:

https://infoworld.com/article/...