WhatsApp devs suck so bad.. they won't let me use it in Chromium 65+ because "It works with Google Chrome 36+".

Good job once again fuckwits.

Telegram is better in pretty much every conceivable way other than lacking video calls.

WhatsApp is fucking terrible. Idk why anyone would want to use that pile of shit tbh.

@Stuxnet It's about a first life need thing over here in the Netherlands.

If you don't have it you'll lose connections/friends - not kidding.

I chose to quit anyways because fuck Facebook.

@nathanchere except for their security/privacy you mean?

@linuxxx same here in Germany

@linuxxx If they're not willing to meet in the middle when it comes to keeping in touch, then it's clearly a friendship that's not worth keeping.

I don't like texting (like SMS texting lol). So I use Snapchat or Instagram to keep in touch. Well some of my friends don't have them, so I don't mind texting them, because friendships involve working together.

Idk maybe it's hard for me to understand since it's not extremely popular here (thank God).

@Stuxnet While I don't like texting, I'm perfectly fine doing that with people who don't have signal installed.

But nope, WhatsApp is their "only option"

Do they only have 6 bits for the version number

@Stuxnet for me it's about ease of use. As @linuxxx already knows, I don't really care about privacy or policies, I just want the buttons to do what they're fucken supposed to do.
So besides this one thing not working + the fact you more or less need it (as already stated) makes me use it.

Wasnt there drama with the security in the app being horrid after ZUCC bought WhatsApp? Or just in general?

@linuxxx No. I mean exactly what I said.

@nathanchere Well, as for security and privacy it's worse than WhatsApp tbh, and that's not just my opinion, that's the opinion of loads of cyber security and crypto experts.

People who want to be in touch with you will find a way, trust me. I don’t have Facebook or WhatsApp.

@linuxxx I don't buy that. Signal protocol is more thoroughly tested, yes. And I would back Signal as more secure than Telegram. But as for Whatsapp vs Telegram there are a few points to consider.

1) Whatsapp is end-to-end encrypted by default, yes. But that comes with tradeoffs too. I think Telegram strikes a good balance of convenience vs security. I can have secure messages when I want. You know when it is explicitly end-to-end secured or not. I can access my same messages where I don't care about mission critical security or privacy across multiple devices.

2) I can sign up without a phone number to Telegram. I can't do that with Signal or Whatsapp. That's a huge privacy and anonymity factor before you even get into usage.

3) The major vulnerabilities found in Telegram have been with the clients, not the server or service itself. The same can be said about Whatsapp (e.g. https://theregister.co.uk/2017/03/...)

@linuxxx

4) Telegram clients are open source. No matter how supposedly secure the protocol is from point to point, I would never trust a closed source client any time I really care about security and privacy.

and purely on convenience, I don't need my one single phone connected at all times to be able to access Telegram on my desktop/laptops. That is a huge win for me.

@nathanchere valid points but what a disgusting choice of footwear you've got going on there