I find it annoying when non-tech savvy people criticize the Parler devs for using AWS because "it's Amazon they had it coming", I don't know the devs or company behind that website, I've never used it, but wtf man do you have any idea what's involved in building, deploying and maintaining a platform like that or any other similar? ffs you would barely be able to write an HTML blog by yourself and you dare judge devs for using AWS. fuck off.

I agree with the sentiment, it sucks, if my platform was removed from AWS I probably would keep it that way because I don't have the money to afford the hardware nor am I somewhere that's readily available and that's what is really sad it would suck that just because Amazon doesn't like you or you don't have the influence to fight it you and your userbase can go fuck off. Very bad precedent, it is discouraging.

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    The cloud is convenient, but it comes with tradeoffs.
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    This is why you have a multicloud redundancy, if one goes down, enable the next. But this shit show wouldn't have worked for parlor specifically anyway.

    Google pulled the plug too, which means Google cloud was off limits.

    They may have been able to jump to azure, but the question is for how long before MS jumped on the band wagon.

    The trouble with high scalability is, you need to play by their rules or go without.

    No business would sink billions into achieving the same scalability with their own hardware, that's kinda how These 3 win the war, they dropped the $$$ and reak the rewards by being able to sell it all off with millions of businesses footing the Bill.
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    @C0D4 That's where people come from when they talk about "collusion". What do you do if they all come down on you? Imagine if they had a failover to Azure. I don't think Microsoft would keep them around either.
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    @JKyll I am a meat popsicle.
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    @rootinit you rebrand and become something else, or accept your fate and sue the person responsible for shutting you down... i mean, that's the American way isn't it?
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi your comment not only does not only makes idiotic assumptions about me it also lacks any insight on the subject discussed and only demonstrates your lack of emotional maturity.

    For that reason I’ll reply to you with this simple fact that you can have in mind and maybe find useful the rest of your life, you’ll never be a woman no matter how hard you try.

    Thanks for contributing and hang in there. 👍
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    @JKyll How can you blame the wolf? Was he not supposed to know that which he was surrounded by?
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi You’ll never be a dog just like you will never be a woman. Again thanks for trying to contribute.
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    @C0D4 The thing is that the cloud markets itself as a replacement for your own physical infrastructure. With this sort of situation, this couldn't be further from the truth. I am not a Parler fan. I wouldn't have joined that site even if I could have now, but if this sort of thing continues with other sites, I think the cloud providers are going to start losing some customers who would've been all-in on their cloud otherwise.

    Basically, alienate enough customers, and even goliaths have gone down.
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi I will disregard your racist comment and veiled threat mainly because I’m Latin American, You’re more than welcome to continue embarrassing yourself in this thread since this won’t change the fact you’ll never be a woman. Have a nice day Sir.
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    @rootinit I agree and that’s what’s a shame, I would like net neutrality went both ways and that politics didn’t ruin everything.
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    @JKyll so you’re saying you literally whitewashed your avatar?
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi Lots of Latinos have light-colored skin. I am one of them myself as well.
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi To be fair, your original comment here was pretty hardcore too.
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    I don’t know anything about Parler, nor have I ever seen any of its content, met its users, etc.

    However, cloud providers dropping support over what is apparently ideological differences with their customers is worrying indeed.

    Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc. also hiding and deleting content, banning users, demonetizing, etc. based on those same differences? It sounds like political censorship.

    As devs, we should support freedom of expression and do everything we can to stand up to censorship, lest the tools we build become the tools of oppression, corruption, and spite.

    I might not agree with what people have to say, but I will fight to the death to defend their right to say it.
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    Well, you just can't rely on US companies for mission-critical infrastructure when your business is about porn, investigative journalism, being the competition of some big US corp, publishing pentagon leaks - or hosting uncensored forums it seems.
    US companies will instantly break all contracts and burn all bridges for the most flimsy reasons. Sometimes it even is just the current president not liking your country or some other customers being upset about porn...
    And Parler might also have been a criminal enterprise (or not, i really don't know).

    So if not the devs, at least the CEOs should have known about the inherent risk of relying on US-based services - even if you are US-based too.
    You just can't predict the next presidential fart or twitter shit storm convincing big corps to shut down your infrastructure.
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi “whitewashed” you already stablished you are racist you don’t have to confirm you know no light skin latinos. Thanks for deleting your comments, I can only hope you hold your convictions higher than your opinions.

    Good day Sir. 👍
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    @Root I love your comment and it is all I was trying to say in my incoherent babble. I am worried and I hope a new generation of neutral services arises from this conundrum.
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    @JKyll I very strongly doubt it, but I too hope that happens.

    Something needs to change because where the world is headed looks scary indeed.
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    @Root bravo. I think I read somewhere that this was the definition of liberalism. To welcome different opinions and their right to be stated. Clearly today we are not dealing with liberalism... this is something else entirely. Probably the opposite. So illiberal. I just looked up the definition here. Illiberal - opposed to liberal principles; restricting freedom of thought or behavior. Sounds a lot like what @hifiwifiscifi does when it trolls looking for gotcha buzzwords.
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    @peapowder It’s not liberalism, it’s libertarianism. A focus on individual liberty :)

    not ... I don’t even know what liberals are anymore. They’re unrecognizable from what they used to be. They’re now are more about restricting and controlling others than anything else. Their recent actions and stances are the antithesis of everything I believe in and stand for.
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    @Root @peapowder Prior to the 1970s, "liberal" in the U.S. meant the same as it does in other countries. My foreign wife was quite confused when I first explained things in America. Words can have quite the effect, and unfortunately, "libertarians" sometimes get overshadowed, since the term is not as common parlance. Weird state of affairs we're in.
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    @Root actually anecdotally for what that’s worth, my uncle said in the 70’s that liberals talked exactly how you did. And looking up the definition of liberalism not to mention of also the word liberal and you can see how the ideology came about. Perhaps the common thread is that it’s a mindset that aims to protect the minority from the majority in a democracy. It this mindset has resorted to more and more government power to achieve this (my way or the highway). I think libertarianism is the offshoot for people getting off the gov power train while retaining freedom to express without government forcing expression or in-expression. As a side note I just read a quora where a self proclaimed modern liberal justified “shouting down” people who’s arguments are not worthy of respect, of course as determined by the said person. Sounded similar to the book I’m reading on the Chinese cultural revolution.
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    @peapowder The authors of the US constitution were libertarians; liberals came later, but you’re right that they probably started from the same ideals, though with very different approaches to achieving them.
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    @rootinit It’s kind of sad that people don’t know the word libertarian. Though at the same time, it’s less demonized this way, so perhaps it’s better. Capitalism, conservatism, freedoms, democracy, free market, etc. all have negative meanings now, while socialism, communism, marxism, etc. are becoming more positive and acceptable.
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    This is the biggest bs. Eventually you are dependent on something. Torrent sites where removed from data centers and internet providers.
    I would always advocate that you should build as cloud agnostic as possible. Perhaps they could have gotten it up and running in a day or two.
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    I've been booted off Aruba Cloud earlier for "suspected abuse". I had 3 VPS's there that reverse proxied my internal services to the internet. When I got booted for what they considered an emergency, their support contacted me and I just told them that I had moved to Hetzner. I too considered it an emergency. I just told them to go fuck themselves and moved on. That being said, the reason that Parler got banned from Amazon is very different than mine. They are known repeat offenders, I am not.
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    @Root I'm somehow divided.

    I'm against censorship.

    But I worked a few times in welfare jobs or support groups.

    Some people are really ... Dumb.

    There is no fault / blame game. They're dumb. For whatever reason.

    You tell them something - they'll do it.

    Some intelligent folks really struggle to understand "how" dumb people can be - and how many exist. Cannot go into details regarding my welfare work.

    But some things that - due to the experiences in welfare work - sound pretty normal, non-crazy to me.

    Flat earthers? Yup. They believe it. For them it's a truth. No matter what you say.

    People burning 5g towers for spreading corona and taking engineers hostage? yup.

    Tons of examples more.

    I'm against censorship...

    But delusional people instigating each other is a dangerous thing.

    Please leave any country, political, ... stuff out: It's a general statement - and observation.

    No (real) solution possible, I know... But cannot get this lil seed of doubt out of my brain.
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    @IntrusionCM I... cannot disagree. Hum. 🤔
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi quod erat demonstrandum....
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    @IntrusionCM Heh, what exactly do you think you’ve proven?
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi well ... Your comment is that kind of dumb....


    ...if taken seriously.

    Which I can't because it's just too dumb.

    Recursion detected.
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    @IntrusionCM that’s why you need free speech, to talk with them and present alternatives; even if they don’t listen, before doing something dumb there’s a chance they consider it.

    By removing it you don’t eliminate it, you just let it fester without opposition in the dark corners of society which inevitably makes things worse.
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    @IntrusionCM @JKyll all you fucking ignorant twerps misunderstand the issue completely.

    You can still say whatever you want in public or in your house.

    What you can’t do is go in SOMEBODY ELSES FUCKING HOUSE and start screaming about white fucking power and then whine like little bitches with skinned knees when you get thrown the fuck out.

    Fuck you. Take your shit back to the woods for 20 years dickheads, you lost.

    thedonald.win is down too. There’s like 20 fucking people on Gab. Give up you pathetic losers.

    You were shit for for years when you were “winning”, and you’re even shittier when you lose.

    QED you’re just shit.
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi you will never be a woman, thanks for contributing nothing to the conversation.
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    @JKyll And you'll never be a man.

    Y'allqueda got being butthurt little bois dialed right the fuck in tho
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi you will never be a woman no matter how hard you try. Good day sir.
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    @JKyll Smells like butthurt and Jergens in this thread.

    And tbh, given where we are... if we’re just gonna do this stupid fuckin back and forth I’m gonna write a fuckin bot to do it.
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi you have a really big brain sir and I’m sure you can write a bot but that still leaves you as a bitter man, not a woman. Good night.
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    This be some good popcorn.
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    @C0D4 too bad he deleted his previous comments and he is writing a tolerant bot to replace him 🤷‍♂️

    He was pwning all these Latin American huaite supremeacists to a pulp with his superior peaceful arguments.
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    @JKyll I didn't delete shit. It is quite possible I was moderated by this website...

    ... which is totally fine because its their website and I was being an asshole.

    See how that works? :)

    Now if I wanted I could go over to gab and complain about the terrible tyrant mods/admins over on devRant who "stole my right to free speech waaaaaaaaah"...

    But for me, that would be wasting my time on an argument that is moot, dumb as shit, and that only reveals intent to debate in bad faith.

    Because nobody's speech was stopped, and that argument was always going to descend into this dipshit name calling, because you never wanted to talk about ACTUAL censorship you just wanted to bitch about how the bad socialists keep taking away your fucking white power bully pulpits by using some childish free speech argument as the thinnest of silk veils.

    Cheers, mate.
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    Them: Arguing with idiots online is like being in the Special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded.

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    Edit: I would have loved the admins left your comments, the first step to avoid racists is looking at their racist opinions. That’s why I’m pro free speech.

    @HiFiWiFiSciFi nah bruh, as you can see everyone here has argued the merits without name calling, you started talking shit I just gave your mental dissonance a tickle by stating the obvious

    You will never ever, like literally never in a million years be a woman. Feel free to keep coping
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    @JKyll I mean... it'd almost be worth a sex change operation just to watch how insecure it makes white christian conservative males age 18 to 54.

    Whats funny is... you people always punch down. I'll explain.

    Your bullshit is now so unpopular that you don't even dare alienate gays by being a homophobic piece of shit... And you're all cowards... so you find another even weaker target.

    And there they are, transexuals, representing only about .4% of the population.

    There's a people that just don't have the numbers to fight back against you, so there's your target.

    Bottom line... you are insecure... because you know women, and blacks, and jews, hispanics, asians, lgbtq and trans...

    Are simply all better people than you are and better adapted to the modern world.

    Sidenote: Anime is for people who are both under 18 and/or gigantic pussies.
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi didn’t know a poor bloke from a poor country could punch you down just by saying you will never be a woman and will probably never ever date a beautiful gay man.

    That’s a bit stereotypically female if you ask me but we already stablished otherwise.

    The more you know 🤷‍♂️
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    @JKyll can I date an ugly gay man?

    Cause I'm ugly as shit and I don't think I could pull a beautiful gay man?

    Like, I could fuck a hairy backed teddy bear beast I picked up at about 1:45 AM in a gay bar... but some gay male model would simply be out of my league.
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi I think most gay dudes aren’t racist and we all know all gay people are beautiful so your chances are pretty much 0.
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    @JKyll Hear me out, because I think I have an idea to solve that...

    What if I became a woman?
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi I don’t think you have a grip of what a gay dude means, doesn’t surprise me though.

    Ps. You’ll never be a woman
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    @JKyll I honestly am not sure what’s up with the random trans hate.

    Who gives this much of a fuck about it?

    Like... how much time per day would you say you spend thinking about tranny dick and then hating yourself for it?

    I mean... it's totally "your right" to hate on trans people, "bruh", I don't want to "tread on you"...

    But god damn I don't think I've ever met anybody who was so very on about tranny dick.

    Man, I can find you a tranny prostitute... real discreet. And it's not gay because ze's got boobs. You're gonna love it.

    First one is on the house.

    P.S. Despite growing a substantial amount of neckbeard, you will never be a man.
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    ...You will never be a woman
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    @JKyll Ok, if we keep talking about tranny dick... I know I'm gonna get turned on...

    Who among you would be turned on by continuing to talk about tranny dick?

    Respond HERE Only if the thought of tranny dick, inside your mouth and butthole, turns you on greatly. ▼
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi oh man, I'm gonna need a cold shower after that.

    Not really my thing though, but humility is a thing worth investing into.
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    @C0D4 eloquent as always, I’m afraid you might be talking to deaf ears though, at least it was a nice show 🎉
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    @C0D4 @JKyll count me in.
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi You are really a lil ray of sunshine. *hugs*

    As I said ... This has nothing to do at all with anything happening currently

    I quit working in welfare ... roughly 10 -15 years ago. And I'm from germany, btw.

    Britney sang One more time, Slim Shady made an appearance and so on.

    I'm against censorship - as I stated before. But as I've worked with humans who have zero common sense and are very susceptive to manipulation so I'll just have a seed of doubt...

    To the rest of your talk... Honestly, I cannot make any sense of it.

    I still don't know what religion or gender / sexuality has to do with the intellectual capabilities of a human.
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    @IntrusionCM if you want something resembling a ray of sunshine, keep it to programming talk because that’s what this site is for.

    If you want to talk like we’re still on Parler... and try to make insurrection a free speech issue... well I can do that too.

    We’re only doing the tranny dick routine because OP took it upon themselves to start throwing “you’ll never be a woman” around randomly. I guess they see random trans hate as a function of their free speech.

    Thing is, I see hating fucking haters as mine... and I’ve been exorcising that shit a looooong time.

    I am a mirror.
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi Things make a bit more sense now. Thanks for the explanation.

    Never been on parler - and I still think that you got the wrong idea about my comments.m

    I find it confusing that you're trying to counter prejudice with prejudice.

    I'm gay, christian, conservative and bad looking. Guess you hit the jackpot, honey.
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    • Chimping out and writing blogposts in the comment section
    • being a mirror of justice

    Pick one.

    @IntrusionCM it’s as effective as trying to put off a match with gasoline, but it produces golden posts like the following. You can also notice if you visit the thread in the image how high do people like him hold their standards when they fuck up; they tend to delete them to hide their true colors, you should’ve seen all the racist rhetoric he spewed even admins here had to delete it. The only identity as I see it here is coder, that’s pretty obvious for anyone who stopped to read the main post.
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    @JKyll Oh please. You opened with a thread about “free speech” and immediately started attacking people with trans slurs.

    You have free speech. By all means use it.

    Just understand when you’re getting people going “chimp” (also racist slur) it’s because you brought it right onto your racist homophobic ass self.

    You have free speech. That doesn’t mean anybody has to roll out a fucking red carpet for your simpleton bigotry.

    Trite ass fuckin cult tard. Fuck the fuck off to fuckin Parler... or the Donald.win... lol... or maybe go take a walk.

    You get to be a stupid racist cunt, and I get to point out you’re a stupid racist cunt. And that’s free speech. :)
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    @HiFiWiFiSciFi you are reflecting the hate speech so hard you’ve become a meme yourself lol

    You find bigotry everywhere because you seek it everywhere, because you are a giant bigot yourself.

    And after all of this, you will still never be a woman.

    Cope. More.
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    One day they’ll ask why we deleted the internet. I’m just going to hold up a print out of this thread and everyone will understand.
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    Any news on where the new parler is?
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