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So I accidentally published my AWS keys to GitHub, stupid me. I realize this the next day.
$ git reset
$ git push
Reset keys in AWS
I was too late. Bot already stole the keys and started up 53 EC2 instances. Racked up $4000+ of compute time (probably Bitcoin mining, I'd assume)
4 weeks later, I finally have this shit disputed and settled.
Don't test with hardcoded keys. You WILL forget about them. Env vars always. That is all.31 -
Google: The SHA-1 collision is the biggest news today
Cloudflare: Hold my beer
AWS: Call me your daddy3 -
Amazon support guy: Oh its a Windows instance. I'm a Linux Engineer so...
Me: I know your pain. I'm in pain, too. Now help me.9 -
Wrote some codes that uses your photos to compose an input image. Will post code later. Written in Python though. Also this is my dad. Also I wrote this in Yellowstone cuz I didn't like the view lol.
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*casually clicking through aws services*
*discoveres ses (email service)*
*tries it out as email driver in laravel project*
*discoveres you are in sandbox by default, means you can only send emails to yourself*
*reads documentation, says to get out of sandbox request a limit increase with default values*
// 200 per day, max 1 per second
*request what is mentioned*
*while waiting, find threads of people with the most well documented use case requests getting denied*
*pretty sure i will be denied to, thinking of starting to look elsewhere*
// next morning
*opens mail*
# your application is now out of sandbox and can now send 50k emails a day with a max of 14 per second.
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Wrote some code during the break that transform an image to the following styles, is it good enough to post on github?
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In a career talk about the importance of the IT industry:
Speaker: "Who here uses AWS?"
*I'm the only one who raised my hand in a hall of ~100 IT students*
Speaker: "Good, you are a geek that everyone should aim to be!"
Ummmm… Is that a compliment…? Why do I feel a bit offended…10 -
So I was applying for a research position in linguistic department, and had the interview today.
Prof: So you know excel right
Me: (show a project to him to prove I at least know csv file)
Prof: Ok so you know excel.
Me: Yeah kinda.
Prof: Ok that's good. Cuz right now we are using amazon Turk, and the data they returned, which are excel files, are not really the way we want it.
Me: Ok sounds like a parser can fix it......
Prof: Yeah.... the students in the lab are doing it manually now
(Dead silence)
Prof: Ok move onto next matter
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Our AWS Consultant: Do you have the AWS CLI installed?
Me: Brings up the Linux subsystem in Win 10. sudo apt install awscli.
Me thirty seconds later: Yes.19 -
I applied for a job and they sent me a test to build a simple web app using the MERN stack (mongo, express,react, node), I passed the test, after a few days they call me for interviews, I passed the interviews and got accepted to work as a full stack developer.
Day one they send me the code base with thousands of lines of code and no documentation, I look through the codebase it uses Angular fucking JS, they tested me in React yet they give me Angular WTF?, I don't know Angular!. I look through the code again the app uses 4 different kinds of databases, MongoDB, MySQL, Redis & Dynamodb, I'm like WTF is this?
I ask the CTO why there is no documentation, why all these databases & why the fuck it is in Angular, he tells me to talk to the devs that previously worked on the codebase who live in India, I talk to them on skype, I get some information still not enough to get started, no proper documentation no database diagrams or any kind of diagrams.
So with no angular experience, I decided to just man up and learn Angular 7 first then sort out everything later, learning Angular 7 goes well. So I try to look at the code again, WTF? this does not look like the Angular I'm learning!, I check again and, lo and behold the fucking codebase uses the oldest version of Angular version 1.6 which is completely different from version 7! I'm like fuck this shit.15 -
>Deploys new image at OpenShift Online
> 3 seconds passed
> "your pod is stuck for more than 5 minutes"
excuse me wtf1 -
At my old job, me and a colleague were tasked with designing a new backup system. It had integrations for database systems, remote file storage and other goodies.
Once we were done, we ran our tests, and sure enough. The files and folder from A were in fact present at B and properly encrypted. So we deployed it.
The next day, after the backup routine had run over night, I got to work and noone was able to log in. They were all puzzled.
I accessed a root account to find the issue. Apparantly, we had made a mistake!
All files on A were present at B... But they were no longer present at A.
We had issued 'move' instead of 'copy' on all the backups. So all of peoples files and even the shared drives have had everything moved to remote storage :D
We spent 4 hours getting everything back in place, starting with the files of the people who were in the office that day.
Boss took it pretty well at least, but not my proudest moment.
*Stay tuned for the story of how I accidentally leaked our Amazon Web Services API key on stack overflow*
/facepalm5 -
I wish there is such thing as branch in a relationship. So that whenever a couple are having a fight, they can create a branch and work their shit out in that branch and eventually merge to the master branch.
Wait
Merge....
That just costs.... more conflicts3 -
When you type chmod 777 / instead of chmod 777 ./ on an AWS EC2 instance and have to unmount the volume attach it to a new instance reconfigure the permissions unmount it and connect it back to the original instance :)6
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Finally installed Ubuntu and successfully configured the wifi setting, any package I should install?
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Was looking for virtual credit card for testing out AWS. Came across this wallet and while signup...
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I am a third year cs student and I get other people (and even teachers) asking me why I use English to code, and whether I write in such a way out of love for this language. srsly?
When I ask the guys in my class why they don't do research in English (cause you know, MORE INFO) I get the question "why should I, we don't like in UK or USA". ffs, we are at a technical uni, STUDYING FRIGGIN COMPUTER SCIENCE, even if you never plan to leave the country, what kind of excuse is that? "I don't know English too well", THEN START FUCKING LEARNING. These people are over 20, and they choose to be illiterate in the most commonly used language in tech industry. I can't even.12 -
The IT head of my Client's company : You need to explain me what exactly you are doing in the backend and how the IOT devices are connected to the server. And the security protocol too.
Me : But it's already there in the design documents.
IT Head : I know, but I need more details as I need to give a presentation.
Me : (That's the point! You want me to be your teacher!) Okay. I will try.
IT Head : You have to.
Me : (Fuck you) Well, there are four separate servers - cache, db, socket and web. Each of the servers can be configured in a distributed way. You can put some load balancers and connect multiple servers of the same type to a particular load balancer. The database and cache servers need to replicated. The socket and http servers will subscribe to the cache server's updates. The IOT devices will be connected to the socket server via SSL and will publish the updates to a particular topic. The socket server will update the cache server and the http servers which are subscribed to that channel will receive the update notification. Then http server will forward the data to the web portals via web socket. The websockets will also work on SSL to provide security. The cache server also updates the database after a fixed interval.
This is how it works.
IT Head : Can you please give the presentation?
Me : (Fuck you asshole! Now die thinking about this architecture) Nope. I am really busy.11 -
Wk1:, Client wants stack deployed to AWS in a day... Does it in 30 minutes...
Wk2: client complains about cost of service so requests I downsize the stack they asked for... Does so... Just to save some £££ at loss of any DR or HA capability
Wk3: Client wants stack moved to a different AWS account just cos... Advised could cause issues... Client says carry on. Migrates to account as requested on the days they requested.
Wk4: client complains that said migration caused issues and that proper change control wasn't followed..... That was never informed on..
Wk5: issue discovered to actually be network fault linked to clients wanting every £££ saved in AWS... And as the stack specialist I still have to write up a summary and findings?
Wow just get a decent AWS admin will ya....3 -
Doing linguistic research where I need to parse 2000 files of a total of 36 GB. Since we are using python the first thing I thought was to implement multi threading. Now I changed the total runtime from three days to like one day and a half. But then when I checked the activity monitor I saw only 20 percent of the CPU usage. After a searching process I started to understand how multi threading and multi processing works. Moral of the story: if you want to ping a website till they block you or do easy tasks that will not use up all power of one core, do multi thrading. If you need to do something complicated that can easily consume all the powers of a single CPU core, split up the work and do multi processing. In my case, when I tried to grab information from a website, I did multi thrading since the work is easy and I really wanted to pin the website 16 times simultaneously but only have 4 cores. But when it come to text processing which a single file will take 80 percent of cpu, split it up and do multi processing.
This is just a post for those who are confused with when to use which.12 -
Client: we need a big data implementation in AWS to be fully HA and DR.... Money is no object
*3 weeks later when the bill comes in *
Client: its too expensive we don't need this HA stuff we don't even know what it stands for anyhow so can you take it out? But the system still needs 24/7 availability....2 -
👨🏼🎨: Don’t host our site on AWS, it is slow in China! Use Heroku instead. It’s good.
🙈: Heroku IS on AWS... https://quora.com/Where-are-Heroku-...2 -
You know, the whole AWS outage being caused by a typo while debugging got me thinking... whoever did that is most probably a developer who had a REALLY bad day. Could that person be on DevRant? Because the story of what the rest of that day and week was like for him or her has the chance to be the most epic rant on here ever. Poor guy/gal.3
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Holy fucking dickballs, AWS cloud platform is one of the most UX unfriendly piles of fuckery I have witnessed.
It starts off okay and then you have to use it for many hours a day.
API gateway is assfucked backwards in its layout and how it displays. Why have things go horizontally across the screen rather than flow down so I can scroll. Also when I add a method to a resource why the god damn fuck do I need to select it from the smallest drop down imaginable when you have HALF MY POXY SCREEN TAKEN UP IN LITERAL WHITESPACE NEXT TO IT.
Now I get on to the dynamodb interface whoever designed must have been some form of insane cause it is as clunky as a donkey in clogs.
Finally, Lambda console, look I get it UX is not you strong point. but WHO IS THE SADISTIC FUCKOFF WHO WANTED TO HAVE TWO SCROLLABLE TEXT AREAS THAT CAN NOT BE FUCKING EXPANDED SO I CAN SEE MORE THAN FOUR LINES OF THE FUCKING OUTPUT.
*grumble* 12hrs a day of this bullshit *grumble*11 -
Not sure what I'd do when it happens but from the looks of it Amazon want to start the AI takeover.
I guess I'll still develop games as a hobby :D
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Now here comes my first zsh shell plugin. Its called dogesay and it will repeat your command with much, wow, nice...
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I didn't even know what photography is a month ago. Then I was going on a road trip with my girlfriend so I bout a camera. Didn't read the manual just watched bunch of videos and realized it was just tuning parameters. Now I'm the master.
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My personal AWS account just got suspended and it was the most terrifying thing ever.
It's back up now and reactivated once I paid up. Just a bounced payment on an old account caused it but for any of you out there who have this fear this what happens:
1. Amazon email you with reminders every few days.
2. The emails change to give a shut off date.
3. Your account is then locked after that date.
4. If you want imminent attention you have to pay $49 to talk to them.
Bonus tip : go to their billing page on your account, this isn't locked and allows you to pay up without paying the support fee.
Good luck!3 -
Idk if anyone here noticed.... sudo sounds like 速度 in Chinese, which means quickly. So the every time I use this command I just feel like I'm rushing computer to do something for me5
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Just got AWS free subscription, had fun for 30 mins. Now I don't know what to do with it. Can someone give me idea for something to do with it.21
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So I finished my first semester in NYU as a CD master. During the first semester I took a class called heuristic problem solving. Every week a competitive game will be introduced to us, and will be played in two weeks. And trust me, the games aren't easy. I teamed up with another guy who I had no idea was and named our team as we don't know. At the end of the semester we won seven out of nine games, and by won I meant that we beat the whole class in the match. And my teammate became a really good friend.
By telling this story, I want to make a point. I love problem solving, and not problems in a algorithm book where you apply an algorithm and do some trick to solve it, but real world problem where you hope for the best and anticipate, predict your opponent's move. However, American's school system doesn't teach that.
When I applied to graduate school, no school wanted me because I have an average GPA of 3.6, and no outstanding achievements. I can solve problems in my dream becaus I have an active mind, I can propose solution to a project one month before my teammates realized they essentially were doing what I told them the solution should be. But so what, I can't write those on my application.
One of the professor told me that my professor shared the story of my team during a faculty dinner, and they were very impressed by our achievement. So I guess I'm not dumb. But after all, companies and schools will look at your transcript and decide who you are.
I love myself for having random thoughts all the time that can lead to innovative problem solving. But I also hate myself for not able to study like the good kids are.10 -
Fuuuuck you AWS!!!
If you have a feature called “termination protection” perhaps it should actually prevent an instance from being terminated!
But nooo, you add *one line* of text on a documentation unrelated to ec2 terminations saying that in this particular scenario, it will terminate your instance.
Eat a dick. Eat a bag of dicks. Eat all of the dicks you fucking turd munchers.
Now I have to manually enter a month of invoices from the order emails that were created. 😡3 -
Sooooo.. Aws's route53 and ELB outage nuked all our environments. 503 here, 503 there, 5xx everywhere.
Just sitting and picking nose for we've got nothing else to do now.. Who on the fucking earth thought it might be a great idea to centralize the whole fucking internet into 3 companies' hands!?!
How's your day?7 -
After talk to the professor I'm working for
Professor: well, take a break.
Me: take a break? I have to report to you next week during spring break and you just released an assignment.
Professor: well but you have three weeks for the assignment.
Me: inside: but you said start early on the assignment
Professor: take a break6 -
So one year ago, when I was second year in college and first year doing coding, I took this fun math class called topics in data science, don't ask why it's a math class.
Anyway for this class we needed to do a final project. At the time I teamed up with a freshman, junior and a senior. We talked about our project ideas I was having random thoughts, one of them is to look at one of the myths of wikipedia: if you keep clicking on the first link in the main paragraph, and not the prounounciation, eventually you will get to philosophy page.
The team thought it was a good idea and s o we started working.
The process is hard since noe of us knew web scraping at the time, and the senior and the junior? They basically didn't do shit so it's me and the freshman.
At the end, we had 20000 page links and tested their path to philosophy. The attached picture is a visualization of the project, and every node is a page name and every line means the page is connected.
This is the first open project and the first python project that I have ever done. Idk if it is something good enough that I can out on my resume, but definitely proud of this.
PS: if you recognize the picture, you probably know me. If you were the senior or the junior in the team, I'm not sorry for saying you didn't do shit cuz that's the truth. If you were the freshman, I am very happy to have you as a teamate.
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I got 2 phone calls from AWS, asking me for feedback about a conference I've never attended. 🤦♂️
👍 For AWS customer service6 -
Sure Amazon, 0.02$/GB * 0.000120 GB = 0.01$, not 0.0000024$, sure, that's right.
0.05$ for what amounts to less than 2MB of data transfer in total (there's two more lines like that in the bill).
Eat a bag of dicks.
Free tier my ass, if I wanted to spend money I'd rather use Azure.
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Really now?
AWS, #1 cloud provider with their #1 cloud database DynamoDB, all shiny, highly dynamic NoSQL, your data schema could change any second...
then DynamoDB errors out when one of your values is an empty string? {"foo":""} is impossible to store?
Like nobody ever saw or used empty strings a a value or what? There are tons of upvotes to fix this.
I just have to imagine the Product owner standing there: "No,no,no. They are just using it wrong if their data has empty strings as value. Won't fix!"4 -
I installed my first Windows servers in AWS today. And now #awsdown is trending on Twitter. I finally managed to break the internet 😳1
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So at the old job, i needed support for an issue relating to Amazon S3. We used a third party Python plugin for sending files to our buckets, but had some pretty severe performance issues when trying a 2-way sync.
Naturally, I sought help on StackOverflow, and was asked to share my config. Without much thought, I pasted the config file.
Next comment made me aware that our API id and key was listed in this config (pretty rediculous to keep such private info in the same file as configuration, but oh well).
I edited my question and removed the keys, and did not think about the fact that revisions are stored.
Two weeks later, my boss asks me if I know why the Amazon bill is for 25.000$ when it used to be <100$ 😳
I've never been so scared in my life. Luckily, Amazon was nice enough to waive the entire fee, and I leaned a little about protecting vital information4 -
We've worked 5 months to decompose a complex and huge monolith into microservices, deployed in prod with zero defects. And finally moving to AWS, one by one.
How can i explain this work to bunch of 5 year olds? i.e. i've to present this to top level management with no tech knowledge.
I'm thinking of: Lets say a family of 6 people want to travel for 30 holidays to another country. A monolith can be equivalent to having everyone's luggage in huge bag, microservices can be packing luggage in sizable chunks acceptable by airlines.
I'm bad at explaining, can someone help with better example?10 -
Back with more features now!
Cuz I don't have anything to do at work
This image is composed of screenshots from season three
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Ok, this is my first post here...and I came here to rant - I had heard about this place, but I guess I just hadn't had a bad enough day...until today...the day I found my ec2 instance was playing hide and seek with me. I just found out that my aws billing dashboard is going to swoosh 2000rs (30$) out of my wallet. Imagine ranting about this to a layperson... ok anyway, I had taken a t2-medium (my first one ever) for a hackathon and I was just playing with the regions I guess and it somehow ended up in the ohio region. I had given IAM access to some of my teammates and they were using it. We were supposed to shutdown the instance after 1 day. The next day I check the dashboard (for N.Virginia - which is the default) and I see no running instances. I thought ok my teammates must've turned it off and I left it at that. A month after the hackathon, I login today and I have this jaw-dropping moment. I now have to pay 30$ for nothing!
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On the nth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me:
1 misconfigured autoscaling group
200 unnecessary servers
29 urgent emails
3 support teams that would have fixed the problem in an hour of anybody had bothered going to them first
Ugh. Idiots. Somehow the whole issue was caused by a single full hard disk, which caused database transactions to fail, which caused the group to scale out and spin up new instances, which didn't actually fix the problem so it kept scaling until it hit the limit and then continuously failed to create new instances for several hours straight, generating loads of notification emails and generally causing problems for everyone involved. -
Mary had a little Amazon Lambda,
It tested quite ok,
Tried to expose it with an API,
...Internal Error 500....1 -
Can you rant about yourself?
I was reading about the AWS outage, with little to no interest. I didn't know what it was and thus figured it wouldn't affect me.
Some time goes by and I come up with this 300++ vote post. I'm witty, I'm smart, but when I want to upload a photo it doesn't work.
Must be the app right? I restart, nope nothing. Whatever..
Sometime later I have a dashing new photo for tinder. Surely to give me all the matches. Nope, can't upload it.
Must be my phone or Internet then.
Restart everything, nothing is working. Complete madness, no devRant upvotes and I'm still single.
I surrender, give up. Which is one of the worst things to do for me as a dev.
Today. Which is the cherry on the cake. I finally see my connection to the incident. I feel stupid and annoyed by myself.
God dammit Julian, pay attention.
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Woke up this morning to Amazon charging me over $100 bucks for the web services I used at my Hackathon last month. What the hell, I thought the free tier covered that?14
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My mind was blown when I found out AWS offers FPGA instances (EC2 instances)
how fucking cool is that?5 -
When company gave me a SSH I am a noob I have a filezilla what I do is delete all temp files and clear log files
Because the log file size goes 1gb After next day all are looking weird
Senior developer:wtf are you doing yesterday
Me: delete all the tmp files and log files 😂😂22 -
It has been a long long time since I posted, a lot has happened the past couple of months.
I lost my grandfather, I got a nice dev job and God I miss ranting here. I finally published my side project and all I have to say is
AWS is a b*tch! But beautiful at the same time, had to learn a lot the old way (trial and error).
I don't have any anime pictures as I've changed phones recently but I find this picture just as awesome.
Hope you are having a great day ranters.
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Bought a GoDaddy.com domain for the website for our startup as a joint decision by the CEO, marketing guy and me(the Dev), cuz it basically fulfilled our needs. Got some criticism from peers and mentors for not choosing AWS. Guess who's not shitting their pants now.4
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Adventures in not knowing python: Episode 4!
After having finally extracted all the files I needed, figuring out where the hell they go and how they connect together I tried to plug it all into an AWS ec2 and get going. WRONG!
Every package was at least 3 years out of date. Most couldn't be downloaded directly with pip or wget (because the paths to them weren't available or were the wrong version) so I've had to find, download and scored every package to the instance. This, mind you, with no experience of Django and basically none of Python.
I've finally gotten them all in and installed and set up and checked their version against the live site. I have until tomorrow morning to get it all set up.
Wish me luck gentlemen!2 -
...and they said AWS never goes down. Well developers this is a good time to sleep or catch up on tv-series. Enjoy!5
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Amazon's AWS support sent me an email about a request to support that I sent to billing, saying they sent it to billing. They then said they couldn't help.
I just need them to stop billing me for things I no longer use!3 -
When your professor invented the subject and you don't understand his lecture so you go online and search for the term and all you found is his slides from other universities when he was a professor over there.5
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My boss did not care about making things secure in our early development stage, even though I told him several times.
After 1 day our elastic search cluster was filled with random crappy data.
Fix: Apply security schemes provided by AWS1 -
Fuck this Apache Server on this elastic beanstalk!!! Nginx is so much better at configuration and ease of use!!!4
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Damn, guess that password is already taken.
(They meant to tell me the password didn't meet their criteria)
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Every time I feel Im getting my act together (at work) there is some AWS service which I know nothing about and that totally kicks my asss
Geeez the dev ops side of things is a total void for me..4 -
Upvote if you are one of the lucky devs, which companies use Google Cloud Storage or any other AWS S3 competitor :)2
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It drives me Insane that AWS still doesn't support Swift 3 for iOS. We're almost to the point where Apple is going to drop Swift 2 support in XCode and Amazon STILL has not gotten it.
I've started deploying Gateway APIs in Objective-C and linking them to the bridging header just so we can finally move foreword in our company and quit relying on legacy Swift support. Which is something I was really trying to avoid because we don't like mixing languages unless absolutely necessary. It's not a problem, but it's incredibly annoying to me. What IS a problem is having to start new projects already using legacy code from the very beginning.
What is amazon going to do when the next release of XCode comes out? Tell all new customers to downgrade?
Why even offer native Swift APIs if you're going to go this long and still not migrate, Amazon?! -
AAAH, fucking aws. Why the fuck do you make documentation if it doesnt even make sense. I struggeled for hours to let your cock sucking Cognito work and I'm still fucking stuck. Why is there no proper documentation or tutorial available for nodejs. This pisses me the fuck off. I hate this piece of shit.
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When a code sample is so obfuscated that it's almost better to leave it alone that to properly refactor it.
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So I was setting up ELK (Elasticsearch, Logstash and Kibana) all in one EC2 on AWS today for demo purposes. I had everything prepared. Elastic IP, correct security group rules, etc.
I figured I would just do quick test before writing filters and templates if I can access Kibana. So I started service for it and tried to open it with Chrome.
Timeout.
Checked config file. Compared it to documentation. Seemed good but changed some things just for sake of change. Restarted service.
Timeout.
Reverted changes I've made in config. Restarted service. Curl on localhost. It work... OK. 😐
It took me half an hour but finally I figured it out after I took my phone and opened it from there. It was working from the beginning. Stupid company network was for some reason blocking this connection. Fuck! 😡And I was restarting that poor service like crazy trying to fix something that wasn't broken. -
FUCK YOU AMAZON! Stop telling me my configuration yaml file contains a tab... THE FUCKING FILE DOES NOT EVEN EXIST!
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I spent hours trying to enable CORS on AWS Lambda through API gateway (it was supposed to be simple and Amazon had a nice tutorial) but it turns out that there's a known bug that makes Lambda Proxy Integrations not adhere to any setting in the API Gateway, you have to respond with the headers through the Lambda yourself.
Amazon now mentions this in the tutorial, but if you click "Enable CORS" in API Gateway, it'll show you green check marks and tell you that everything went fine, but you'll find that the Lambda does not respond with the CORS headers. They shouldn't even have "Enable CORS" as an option when you use their Lambda Proxy Integration.1 -
When I saw a blog post said you need more than 1 cup of coffee to get AWS configuration done, I didn't believe it. Now I know... it's true. very true. It takes forever to make use of your config. By the time it's done, you already switch to something else.
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!rant
I have my start up. Daily 30-40 users. But expecting it to go to 1000-2000 users daily in 2-3 months.
Have hosted it on Godaddy.
Godaddy seems bad at hosting.
Better switch my hosting to AWS, or some other hosting companies?12 -
Awesome, at lease devRant is up and running, where else would we all go otherwise when the Internet is falling apart! Go @dfox !4
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Not sure if many people heard about nltk in python but I'm currently using a lot now for research.
So one day I was doing multiprocessing while using lemmatizer in nltk, for those who don't know, lemmatizer is a thing that change the word to its base form. So it is like, ran to run, bitches to bitch.
Anyway, the nltk package, to ensure it does not take too much memory, here's what it does: it loads a data file, and once it is loaded and accessed for the first time, it breaks the data file into CSV file. And since I was doing multiprocessing, the data file is accessed for multiple time while it can only be loaded once, hence error happened.
Instead of changing my code, which I think is good already, I went to the package directory of nltk and directly changed the source code from there and now the code works perfectly.
I'm very proud of my self at the moment, this is a very good lesson that I've learned: always look for alternatives. And suck it, nltk.1 -
So I'm TAing this database class and we constantly need to use shell to edit text. I am hosting the workshop with another student, who is a vim user and I am an emacs user. During one workshop he wrote down the commands for editing and quitting vim, and I simply told them control x and controls s, then control x and control c. And the stdents are fucking complaining that is too many commands? Like, wtf? And this week when we are holding the workshop and we need to edit something so he said just open your favourite editor and a girl was like vim, vim, vim , the same girl who complained emacs is too many commands. Like I'm the total loser using emacs there. Get your shit together people omfg you brainless followers. No offense to vim users, this is just personal.1
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Wanna grow in to more of a devops role, currently learning aws.. I'm excited, but also a bit nervous :)6
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Fuck you aws.
I forgot to stop extra ec2 and you changed 500 bucks.
Although it is my fault, still aws didn't notify me even after i had set up budget.
Fucking jeff bezos9 -
Set-up a 5 node EC2 cluster in AWS; Install my dependencies on all; Add private keys between all for handshake; Submit my Hadoop job for processing; AWS closes my instance within 10 minutes of starting a job that took me almost half an hour to set-up because the master node's spot costs have reached more than 15 USD :(
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Fuck yes, AWS is offering 25 bucks in credit for completing their cloud9 survey. This is how you distribute a survey!1
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AWS released their machine learning training portal for the public for free. You can get certified for 300$.
https://aws.amazon.com/de/blogs/...1 -
What certifications do you guys have, and which do you recommend having?
I'm currently pursuing AWS Developer Assosiate, and in the future Google certified Android developer and MongoDB developer.
Been thinking about Docker but it costs too much15 -
Guys has this happened with anyone ..my older aws ec2 instance just vanished from my console but I can still ssh into it, how do I manage it for security groups and other things..?9
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I once nuked a Ubuntu os by trying to upgrade the systems python version beyond 2.6...I now use virtualenvs.4
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Me, or everybody else.
I have bipolar disorder, it’s not entirely a bad thing because sometimes my mind flies and bizarre ideas just flush into my mind, ideas that eventually prove to be useful. However, not everyone can catch up my thinking speed.
This year for my senior capstone project, I teamed up with other three brilliant students. In the middle of the project I proposed a very aggressive method when our initial model failed, but they couldn’t understand my method. Towards the end of the semester I basically finished the project alone and claimed that they were just repeating what I was doing, and they didn’t realize that until the last week. At the end, the guy who’s always in charge of the other two people said that I was right, that the very aggressive method could have worked if given them more time to think about it.
I am both relieved and sorry at that moment. I cannot explain my ideas and that leads to my teams confusion.
I am still the same guy now, haven’t changed, will still be a pain in the ass when work with other people, I tried to be patient, but idk if it was just me being too impatient or others are too dumb.
I really tried......6 -
Wal-Mart just asked if everyone could stop using AWS, because Amazon is a competitor of theirs. Thoughts?6
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So I was in my linguistic workshop today where we were going over control and raising concepts.
Without second thought, I put down 'ctrl' for control. And the guy, who's also a coder, didn't find anything wrong when looking at my sheet.
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If any of you have been following my last few rants, you'll know I've been working on a project with a particularly difficult client, trying to meet wholly unrealistic deadlines with only one other developer.
The situation has reached the climax. The client had a call with our project manager and boss on Monday to discuss things. Despite them still not having paid a single bill since October, they've demanded the release date be moved to the 6th April. Apparently we'd agreed to release on this date, despite making no such promises, the (optimistic) deadline we were working towards has always been, since it was set about 2 weeks ago, the 16th April.
Apparently AWS migration won't take as long as we think it will, because the designers that do the CSS for this project say so, despite knowing nothing about the architecture of the requirements of the system once live (like if backups are required and what of).
The bottom line is that client is ending development with us the day after the project goes live to give it to their own in-house team. If they want us to work more after the date, they have to buy blocks of days.
To make things better, a large part of new functionality relies on an external API we can't even begin to do learning tests with, let alone integrate due to back-office errors on their end. They've had since Friday to give us our token, yet here we are.
Something tells me my holidays booked for for the first week of April are going by the wayside.4 -
Debugging AWS IAM credentials wondering why they don't work for 5 hours.
Note to self: Check the clock first next time. -
Which cloud hosting provider do you use or prefer and why?
I've been using Digital Ocean for two years, but I'm thinking about switching to AWS or Google, because two friends of mine recommended them. For me, at least AWS, feels way more complicated than DO. But if they are clearly better, I will switch. What's your recommendation, if you have any?
Thanks a lot!11 -
Don't you just love it when you spend 2 days carefully configuring a stack on AWS CloudFormation and then deploy it, hoping everything goes fine, just to realize you didn't change the region ON THE MOTHERFUCKING TOP BANNER!!!!!... and now you have to delete everything and redeploy it... no? well I love this...I truly do...I'm not mad, not at all...
Do I think this is a retarded interface, you say? YES I do...
Am I mad? PHffff...not AT ALL!!!
What's that? Why is my eye twitching? Because of happiness...I'm so full of joy it's coming out of my eyes...in the form of twitching...and tears... -
*Writes CloudFormation Template.*
*Launches Stack*
Starts Murmuring,
"The cycle repeated
As explosions broke in the sky
All that I needed
Was the one (JSON Invalid Format :| ) thing I couldn't find
And you (Teammates) were there at the turn
Waiting to let me know
We're building it up
To break it back down
We're building it up
To burn it down
We can't wait
To burn it to the ground
Me: "FML :| "
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Fucking hell the AWS IAM documentation is confusing as fuck. Trying to set up a fucking role is harder than cutting a rock with a fucking spoon.
And who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to allow a CLI user to run any command he's allowed to without any form of authentication??
Oh, set up MFA for the CLI you say? Good fucking luck with that, if you ever manage to figure out how to set that shit up!
Fuck this shit!2 -
Always thought I was inefficient because I double check so many commands in the terminal. Turns out, it's worth doing...
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So it turns out that a lot of writes to S3 is slow, regardless of whether you spent the time to rewrite your code from SAX to JAXB, then Go, then finally C++, thinking the problem was always with your code.
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I feel like AWS makes a good chunk of its revenue from the complete fucking chaos and confusion of dealing with regions.
Fuck.2 -
Probably would have been a good idea for someone to tell me that if I upload the project to my tenant too many times it can break the entire realm and bring down all the other tenants in it. Good opportunity for some team documentation 😊
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That mini heart-attack when you navigate to your AWS entities and it listed nothing.. only to realize you're in the wrong region.
Every fukken time2 -
After having struggled with trying to set up a server for my static files, I finally gave in and signed up for AWS S3. Why did I wait so long?1
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I was playing with AWS and came across Rekognition! Although the docs are poor, the service is just amazing. Mind blown.
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Fifth server been created on amazon so i can finally deploy my laravel web app. Has been 3 days so far...
Fuck me5 -
#CloudStories
If its not working, try to open all ports on security group. You can then also give your home keys, your address and credit cards details to some random, homeless guy.3 -
Damit azure, few days ago I have to launch a server but azure didn't let me set up a credit card because I was on free tier period, but also tell that I'm not eligible for free tier, so, WTF??
I'd came back to AWS and some minutes later I get my fcking ec2 instance running without any problem.
Fcking Microsoft. -
Sometimes I feel like the AWS consoles UI is overly complicated on purpose to discourage using it over the API.
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So I just finished a group project for a database class, it's an open project and we made a website that is basically like rate your professor. We spent tons of time on it and the website is finally settled. But that's not the point, I won't put the URL here, I just wanna say:
I fucking hate php. Fuck it.
Just fuck it
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The problem with moving Docker containers from your decked-out dev machine to a VM on AWS when your boss has told you to keep costs down:
1. Start Micro instance, 1++ gig memory
2. Get Out of Memory error from app after 30 minutes
3. Goto 1 -
Finally managed to use Emacs as my development environment for the esp32 board! It's awesome! I'm using the PlatformIO extension for Emacs called "platformio-mode". I can build and upload from a command, it's better than Arduino IDE. I feel like a hacker using old-school technology, this is great.
Also, I don't like Visual Studio Code, it makes me feel like the rest of the developers (no offense), I want my own style.
Also, I managed to connect my esp32 to AWS IoT platform and I'm very happy! But some publishes fail constantly, that's a real problem. Anyway, I feel good.
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So my linux system didn't have any audio output now while it worked days ago and I haven't installed any new package. I was working on this for at least two hours. Reinstall drive things like that and none worked. I thought to myself: do you really want a system without sound? I mean it's good for coding since you can focus knowing you cant watch video now since theres no sound. But do you really want it? No, I would rather reinstall it. So I closed my laptop, didnt shut it down, and searched for how to reinstall ubuntu in command line and reopened my laptop, and magically, the sound is back online...... I guess linux is more powerful than I have ever imagined.
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What are your favorite emoticons for working on automated cloud deployments or new open source integrations?
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Not the biggest hurdle, but I felt like THE BOSS on finishing the task.
I have to create Branch in a repository for respective folders in S3 bucket and have to commit that folder into it's respective branch. There are around 29 folders in the bucket, the task would have taken my entire day. Rather I completed the task in less than half an hour. Shell Script is the coolest tool, which saved my entire day, indeed I felt like THE BOSS. -
Why is AWS so opaque? Every time I run into a new awkwardly name service I have to parse some redundant management speak to figure out what it does. Does it really matter to anyone that their services have special names with words like "Simple"?
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With the advent of everything being a service (read AWS, GCP, Azure) do you think it's time for our education curriculum to incorporate these services at a an earlier stage (say undergrad) since in the industry, this is kind of enough to make a decent living (speaking more from a devops perspective, programmers are still needed I feel)??2
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What the fuck is this trend of pricing cloud services by the minute? I mean It's fucking great and all that I buy 2 minutes with a sql db but who the fuck actually does that?
After another night working on a server I (strongly) suggest we move our shit to a cloud service. It's cool providing I promise the costs don't rape us blind folded. Seems easy enough, right? Nope it's not.
6 hours later, halfway to becoming a fucking network engineer and I'm more lost than ever.
Seriously can't the fuck AWS and google cloud show a monthly price - even an estimate for generic shit like $x for the average crappy wp blog!
If anyone has some helpful info / experience on the true cost of hosting generic web apps - the retardedly simple app I'm trying to price is:
1 php web application with 150 domains, 3gb mysql db and 30gb ssd.
I gets has 45000 sessions with 250000 page views.
Your help would be greatly appreciated. Currently I'm leaning towards deploying a clone sending 250 000 random requests and praying my $300 cloud platform credit will cover the bill.4 -
Dear AWS, your Elasticsearch service is a bogus pile of shit-engorged horse fly larvae. Not only do you give no useful visibility into what's happening with the cluster (making diagnosis a sadistic guessing game), you lock down the fucking settings API, making it impossible to debug!! But your excellent support is on it! I wonder if I'll hear back from them this week with another inane suggestion like "increase the node count". Meanwhile the rest of my system is limping along, sometimes getting data where it's supposed to be while I keep fake-smiling and reassuring management and customers that "I'm working on it". If you're going to offer a service either make sure it works or get the fuck out of my way. I'll be moving my cluster back to EC2 and you can go do a back flip off a skyscraper. I need a drink2
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So I have purchased the domain studioentropy.com. It's taken me all afternoon but I've set up and configured aws s3 buckets and route 53 zone an entries and my shite asse site is now online, hooray... My question is with regards to https. Given that ny site is really only going to be a single page site with relatively static content, no eccomerce of any kind, no passing of sensative information is required, is it really worth going through the pain of configuring cloudfront so the site uses https instead of http?13
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I uploaded my static site on AWS. Doesn't load when I typed the public IP in the URL. Googled, found StackOverflow answer to traffic and ports as a security group to AWS. Tried it and it still doesn't work.
Hey Bluehost, sorry I left but I'm back now7 -
Hey ya'll, I was wondering if you could give me a career advice. I'm a front end dev with about 3 yrs of experience, and would like to do more cloud architecture/devops. How would I go about it, considering that I've only used aws, gcp, and azure for my hobby/side projects? Should i get certified? Who would hire me?
I'd really appreciate any advice/tip!17 -
CTO migrated from AWS S3 and put images on server. The reason is S3 will have downtime from time to time. Should I look for another job?1
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So I have question about my resume.
During my college time, I have done two projects related to politics:
One is to analyze the bias of media. What I did is scrape news covers for Trump and Hillary during election year and get sentiment analysis. The result is not surprising that among NY Times, NBC, Fox, Eashington Post, and CNN, Fox news is clearly favoring Trump, since Fox news is a republican news site.
The other project I did was to analyze the speech complexity and sentiment of the election. One of the observation we made was that Hillary and Trump are almost at the same level regarding speech complexity. However, Trump has a more positive sentiment in the speech, which is true consider how much he loves to say make America great again.
Now the question is, when I gave my advisor my resume, she said that I'd better not put those two projects on my resume since they are related to politics.
But, I am applying for a data science master degree. Seriously, I was just collecting the data and the data speaks for himself, why should I take those projects off my resume? I'm very proud of those projects I did as a matter of fact.
So here is the question. Shall I take off those two projects on my resume because they were political or I should leave it thereawarreally need some professional views. Please.1 -
So I just found out I have to use amazon (instead of Heroku) for hosting a service I'm supposed to build. The environment just f**king refuses to bild and these are my logs. fml...
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Spent 2 days optimizing SQL queries, and then I learned a valuable lesson.
If your database size is bigger than the RAM of the machine it’s running on, every query will take 5+ seconds ☹️4 -
Its feels so damn good to know we live in a time where computation has become so damn cheap that Amazon gives away a Tesla configured system for around 2.5$ an hour ... Like seriously.. all this progress took it's time .. but still seems really fast .. well .. good for us .. no rant here 😂
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I wish,
I could write a Lambda Function
That Feeds me every time I open my mouth
on dining table.
#LazyDev
#LambdaIsLove <33 -
If got this code with the 20second sleep statement. And I am not really sure if it is a good idea to have it ...
def start_instance(self):
instance=self.ec2.Instance(self.iId)
instance.start()
while instance.state['Name'] != 'running':
sleep(5)
instance=self.ec2.Instance(self.iId)
sleep(20) #Let's sleep another 20 for the server to be really up
return instance.state
Can I have some advice regarding best practices?3 -
Going through some old ec2 instances and removing test ones that I've set up, I didn't realise that I'd selected an active django app I've been working on for three weeks.
I terminated them all. I saw my mistake too late.
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Sharing is caring, and continuing the streak, I have 3 invites to enki with the code: ASABE108
Enjoy :)4 -
Ok so another short rant about project I ranted before. We are developing Android and iOS social app for around 6 months, apps should have been in store during September . Turns out sometimes during August Apple decided that all apps of appstore that communicate with server have to implement ipv6 also Amazon had support ipv6 on its old ec-classic instances but not on new ec-vpc instances. I have worked until middle of the night trying to find work around for this but at the end we need to find another host that supports ipv65
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There doesn't seem to be an easy way to automatically horizontally scale your VMS... Why is that? I'd think that I'd be able to check a box on a VM to configure all that bull shit. Guess not....
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Fucking AWS Elastic Beanstalk took a week of work to get fucking mounts set up. They invented their own version of docker compose that is missing half the features so I had to work my way from hacking their scripts to include options they don't support, to restarting the whole fucking docker service on every fucking deployment and now the shit finally works. How can most StackOverflow answers just say restart docker, this shit is not ok! I fucking hate sysadmin work. I want to code :(
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Yeah, we *COULD* do AWS for the home (and homebrew as well) RPC program server... or I could get a Raspberry Pi 3B+ for the house. I mean... it'd be cheaper and easier to access.
(Low-res screenshot warning, too.)
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Ok so there has been a lot of outages this month with AWS going down justeat hungry house some big ones and people have lost their minds my rant is at what point did we fool normal people into thinking the web has 100% uptime and never has the possibility of going down for 10minutes.1
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I feel like I'm destined to always suck at launching websites 😢 whether it's DO or AWS I always seem to fuck something up somewhere 😓3
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I believe that I have found the worst feeling in the world.
Not when a push to production on Friday fails. But when a few of your teammates don't want to do JACK FUCKING SHIT. The worst ones are where they think you fabricated projected expenses for raspberry pies, and thus believe that you are apart of some communist conspiracy.
They also believe that cheap AWS ec2 instances are crappy for teaching some basic fucking command line and git to high schoolers!!
I feel like a need a brick handy at all times just to chuck it at a wall. -
That moment when you are so impressed about someone or something and interested and want to talk about it but you dont know how to even string two sentances about it even after you just spoke to someone that got you interested in it.
Time to spend a few hours getting the lingo down but in short, using python to make a FE to allow users to create a Hermes config file that will be used on Kubernetes to set up clusters of servers on aws to run their version of our platform. My mind is so rekt and i thank the Devops guys for this needed break from the FE where i normally reside. I love working with people that are not only good but enjoy what they do. They make me a better developer myself 👏
This is one of the many vast reasons i love what i do and having a place to share with more like-minded induviduals like yourself, im grateful.
Thabks for reading and hope you have or had a great day. Keep up the good work all and stay focused 👌 -
Is there a way to dynamically change your IP address while scraping website so that you don't get blocked cojstantly6
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Having so much fun with pug, and nodejs last week,
Building a demo OAuth 2.0 authentication server to simulate GitHub OAuth’s behaviour.
In the next step, I will deploy it on aws for more testing.
Blog on the way...🤞
BTW, they actually built a package for render pug to React components🙄
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Follow up my last rant which people thought it was my fault
The school called, the manager apologized and said the security guards are not trained that way and they were suppose to tell me multiple ways I can prove that I am a student. He promised me that this is not gonna happen anymore.
I did not fuck up, people7 -
So i need about a half a yearly budget of some smaller EU state to try out everything on AWS, a fu***g satellite ground station for example... I don't know why should i do with it but i need it2
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AWS Free Tier.
Has anyone got dome knowledge as to why is that even a thing? We can run hundres of thousands free lambda executions and a bunch of other things. I really wanna know what's the business model behind it and how is it beneficial for amazon to provide their services free of charge for so many.
Anyone?11 -
Trying to explain the difference between infrastructure as code and infrastructure as a service to someone who thinks they mean the same thing. When I thought it's all good he asked me:
- So, does AWS offer IaC as a service?
- Me:
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AWS SDK is open source, but it is not actually open source. Found an improvement and proposed it on GitHub, but they have to change it in all SDKs and, by the way, it needs to change the API, which is not open source, of course. They suggested to post on AWS forum and I didn't get answer until now. Sad. :/
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AWS ECS UI wasn't designed for machines or humans.
Created a task/service/cluster with default suggested Roles.
Service task fails to get image from ECR repository using the said permissions suggested in the docs defined in the default roles.
You only had one job. 😠
How not GTD. -
How come if I do something simple in the AWS web console or cli, it takes less than a second, but if I do it in cloudformation, it takes almost precisely 60 seconds?
Is there just a clusterfuck of queues or something in the cfn backend that only get serviced at stupidly slow intervals? WTF AWS!!
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This AWS migration is a pain.
Neither of us know anything about networking, and we can't get any help with it.
Talk about bashing your head against a wall. -
About to go through the recruitment process for AWS cloud support engineer. Any inputs on what I should expect?5
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Thank god it's Christmas holidays so i can setup my amazon server for a new site. Normally a admin does it but it's a side project.
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Form the first time in my life i used s3cmd to store data on digital ocean server.
Amazing.
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As a front-end developer who has a firm grasp on web tooling, I still think the sheer amount of knowledge needed for dev-ops/deploy tools is staggering.
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For six months, I have tried to put geodjango on AWS elastic beanstalk and failed. Anyone with a working solution?2
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They say cloud is gonna rise up up above the sky but there's only the numbers of unemployed AWS cloudiers that souring high in sight
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does anybody of the alexa skill tester actual read the additional test instructions given by the developer?
please be aware that this and that can be used likewise. pleade provide information why the utterance abort invokes default even if i keyed it to stopintent
'given this, expected that. cancel doesn't an abort'
you don't fucking say!
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That feeling when you spent all day debugging you js code because it continually times out in aws lambda and right before going home you figure out it was running perfectly, but rds was blocking the connection from aws and allowing it from your local computer...
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How effective are visualizations for monitoring infra on AWS?
https://reddit.com/r/aws/...
Can visual infra monitoring be effective?
Pros and cons? -
Me: [Talking about how you are able to create AMI images on AWS using Packer without relying on public AMI images]
Ops: Yeah our AWS version doesn't have that.
Me: wut? ಠ_ಠ -
Not coding rant
I forgot my student ID today and was trying to enter a building.
Called my friend to swipe me in
Security: nah you can't do that
Me: why, I'm a student here
Security: Weill that student id only shows that he is a student
Me: I can provide you my student ID number and state ID
Security: no, either you go get a new student ID now, or you can't enter the building
Wtf? I've asked other people to swipe me in before and the security didn't day shit
I went home and filed a report against that guy
Straight up abusing his power8 -
I'm so fucking sick of auto pay bull shit. Auto renews, auto debit for bills... Fuck off folks. AWS just charged me 150 bucks and now it will cause my rent to be returned nsf because their shit only has ACH.
Fuck you amazon. Going back to my 7 dollar VPS. May be an outdated OS version andimited but at least I don't need lube to use them.5 -
I'm starting to look at how to get devices to send data to an endpoint for storage and analysis. I'm looking at AWS iot stuff like core and green grass but then I'm thinking that a REST API could also do the job. I don't need to connect devices to each other (in first iteration). Dont think I need any edge stuff either. Anybody have any experience with this?3
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Going to have a call for a position in Vancouver, Canada with AWS. I'm from the poor side of Europe, so I'm really excited. My ultimate goal is California, but Canada will do as well until then.2
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How do you guys calculate complementary color?
I feel like I have a good algorithm but I also feel like I've been posting too much recently so I just want to know what you guys do to calculate complementary color.3 -
Does anyone use Amazon Web Services? Do you have an suggestions regarding where to start when coming from the .NET and Azure side of things?5
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When AppSync subscription payloads are defined by the initiating mutation instead of what I ASKED for, and filtering only works when the initiating mutation specifically queries for that field in the respond payload that it doesn't even need.
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Deployed a container running nginx to aws for the first time today... felt pretty good. We use aws pretty heavily at my work but the intricacies of deployment were figured out by someone else a long time ago, so its nice to understand more whats going on.
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Amazon just launched DocumentDB, a clone of MongoDB.
I personally waited for this for a long time. How about you?4 -
AWS... I love ya, but seriously, what the fuck. Why is it that when I script to write a file to /tmp, you choose some other location...
Where the hell did the file go?!3 -
Trying to stand up an app using AWS "serverless" and Cognito, but feel like I've shown up to a seminar on time shares by multi-level-marketers. Has anyone really used this?1
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Django project in a docker container in an ec2 instance of my aws vpc... i did use elastic beanstalk though, but needed to let my media files be uploaded to S3... couldn't figure it out yet...
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I dunno why but I'm sold by AWS and how anyone may start off on the right note when starting a "startup" project. A lot of IT folks I know have vouched for it as well. Maybe because I'm engineering graduate and I have put the costs and maintainability on top of the checklist. I even plan to take the SAA certification since it was also surveyed as one of top paying IT certs to get. But mostly I care about the stuff I can learn and rely on its ecosystem. Tell me something I should be wary about this cloud provider. Coz maybe I'm just too "sold" by the hype.1
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!rant
DevOps:
Is it worth the time and money to get AWS/GCP/Azure Certified? Other than adding a line to your resume...1 -
I'm looking for advice...
Has anyone experience with the AWS cloud?
I'm arguing with my future company partner about it. He's totally old school but is responsible for the server stuff... He does the backend for a urgently needed webapp and it takes so long (he still works in his old company the next months).
The frontend (my part) is nearly ready. I could work on the backend fulltime, but I would choose AWS Appsync with offline sync etc. First it would be quick and dirty, because it's really urgent.. he wants to do all super perfect...
How can I handle that? I talked to him many times about that, but he always says it should be done right and takes time. but for me, it's to much time. The webapp is relatively small and the work now already takes about 2 or 3 months..1 -
Honest question, when would you host your website using something like AWS vs a bare bones server like Digital Ocean.L (Taking into account DevRant itself is hosted on DO)
I'm a noob on this :p3 -
- Have the app running perfectly on heroku.
- App does some serious calculations which, depending on amount of data, takes a long time to process
- Heroku timesout after request takes longer than 30 secs...
- Need to move from heroku to aws... No devops experience...
- Damn... 🙃
Any suggestions? The procedure cannot be put into a worker queue so thats out of the equation.2
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