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dan-pud872177dSounds like you're doing at least 4 different roles. Even for one role you're probably paid about half of what you should be.
Why is there no investment?
How is the software monetized? Is there a monthly subscription? Start from there and work out how much should be put back in. If it's not enough then leave.
Make it clear that if there isn't (continual) investment then the product will slowly die.
They got very lucky with you!
EstrnAdventures100177dSounds like doing too much work for very little incentive. Time to get out.
black-kite1233177dThis is not a good situation. It’s almost slave work. I could understand someone making sacrifices for a few months to get a startup up and running. But 8 years into the job?? No way. Tell the dude you’re looking elsewhere. I can guarantee you he’ll be giving you a significant raise in no time
netikras28601177dIMO "underpaid" is an understatement in this case.
Yes, you can ask for more €. But that will kill you.
Instead, you should ask for more people in the club. Get some workload off your shoulders. Feel that sweet taste of life again! When was the last time you enjoyed living? Not working -- LIVING? :) When was the last time you said to yourself "Gosh! I'm so happy to be alive in this beautiful world, see and experience all those amazing things life has to offer!"?
Ask for a minion rather than a raise.
HitWRight1487176dWelcome to the club.
Is there anything specific keeping you there?
IntrusionCM11467176d@-unkn0wn- in a nutshell you let yourself be treated like a slave and behave like a dog that gets a snack every now and then.... Pretty loyal, but dumb as fuck.
Pardon my rudeness, but get the wake up call, please. Don't throw your life away out of a false premise of loyalty or ""friendship"" when it's obvious someone is milking you like a cash cow.
Even if said person doesn't do it intentionally (which is kinda hard to believe)...
Get a nice decent job with a specific roleset and enjoy your life, you only have one.
devdiddydog1054176dJeezes, unless you have shares in this company you are the sucker that does all the work for little pay and if it one day succeeds you get next to nothing for it.
I have seen people in similar situations before, and the hardest thing for them is to realize is that you can't let a guilty feeling keep you from getting out.
Just from what you have written you have a ton of arguments for why you should either get a share of the cake or get out.
Don't be the sucker.
Hazarth6071176dyou do ALL THAT and you only get 2k€ gross *before taxes that you also pay*?!!!!! are you insane?
you say you want to hear our opinions but just from the rant alone I can say that you already know the right answer... That's simply insanely bad. You should get that pay for any one of those roles that you cover. Backend work alone can get you that much money in a lead position! You're working as a fullstack for the pay of a backend... Even disregarding that fullstack development is somewhat of a scam, whatever you're doing is worse...
I do understand if the company simply can't pay you, and it's up to you if you decide to stay... But in your position, I'd start looking for a new job. You don't want to burn out working slave hours if you can get the same pay (or perhaps very slightly lower or even higher) for about 3rd of the work and stress...
ctrl-alt-del1370176dJust leave the hell hole
If you feel sorry for him, I don't feel sorry for you
Look up what Stockholm syndrome is. You may have it already
Voxera10986176dSome of what you mention would actually be illegal if the company was based in Sweden.
And that salary is ridiculously low even for an entry position for a junior dev.
crappycode71176dDo yourself a favor. Brush up your resume, go on some job sites and shove your resume towards anything interesting or similar and see what happens. Maybe you'll attend a few interviews and get to see what people are willing to pay. Go home and see if what you're being offered is better than what you're getting. I'll bet it is - maybe you'll get less money but full insurance, maybe you'll get more money, maybe the same with much less responsibility.
Always keep your resume floating around in the market so that you know what your current value is in the market (even if you're not actually going to accept a job).
Also maybe ask one of the people you did work with if they have any openings where they work?
jeeper5768176dDefinitely a case where if it’s not worth getting paid well to do it, it’s not worth doing
1001101114050176d@-unkn0wn- spill the beans regarding the company name. This is highly unethical, probably even illegal (tho I don’t know about Dutch legislation - but would be in Finland) and just outright plain wrong!
Get the hell out of there and name the blame so others be warned of this shithole. Exploitation on this level makes me so fucking pissed off… especially from small companies (and why are they always Dutch?!)
bols59653176dYou asked. WALK THE FUCK OUT. If you don't do it now, you'll die of a stroke. You are being held prisoner. Don't waste your energy on this, you're not the owner. WALK. NOW.
macfanpl89176dI agree with @dan-pud: you are doing 4 different roles for salary of one. Seriously?!
I mean: its good to know your value. You want my honest advice? Just leave.
If boss doesnt even want to invest money in tech-stack ( decent MacBook etc ), there is no way he would give you payrise.
So, just leave.
TrevorTheRat1109176dWhy have you been there for 8 years ?!
vane10677176dYou're modern definition of slave. You somehow got manipulated to feel involved mentally to develop something for your owner that you think is good person. Contact psychotherapist immediately cause you need your life back instead of developing some crap for somebody that is clearly abusing you.
You're not team lead cause you have no team. You're not working for company but for some manipulator. If you don't contact help you will wake up some day as a homeless person that nobody cares. Get up stand up, change job and contact with some mental help man.
WAKE UP !!!
lungdart542176dSounds like your subsidizing the owners bad project skills with your time.
I would stop. I think most would. Go shop around, you're in demand. You owe him nothing, it's a work agreement, and it's been one sided. If you leave him high and dry this second, he'll still be out on top hundreds of thousands of dollars.
zlice3887176dtldr, fuking leave, do not take any counter offer
skimmed through, 2k is insulting. i assume you havent looked up other jobs, sounds like you can make 3x easily
-unkn0wn-1070175dThank you all for your comments I'm not sure why I've stayed until now, maybe I felled sorry for him I don't know really, it baffles me thinking about it.
I've decided to quit next month, and look for other job in meantime.