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linuxxx
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You know what? I'm fucking done with people telling me that open source alternatives to popular/proprietary suck by default.

Something does NOT suck by default just because it's FUCKING open source.

Have you got any fucking clue where we'd be right now if open source software didn't exist?!

Let me just remind you that about 80 percent of the worlds' servers run Linux. Open-FUCKING-source.

How the fuck are we supposed to innovate without open sourceness? Yes indeed, that would be about fucking impossible.

Although I've got to admit that some open source software programs don't work 100 well (in comparison to alternatives), what are you expecting? People put their free time into that shit and they've got to make money as well.

"well how are programmers supposed to feed their families if they only write open source software?"

Fuck right off. Of course we all need an income to survive. Hell, I need that as fucking well. But there's more to it than just work. Some people consider open source/working on open source software a hobby/passion. That doesn't even remotely mean thaty they don't work/don't need some kind of income.

If it wasn't for open source, we'd be nowhere (technologially seeing) right now.

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  • 21
    7y
    @AlexDeLarge I was randomly thinking back to my study and about half of the fucking people there said that. It just pissed me off for a second again right now.
  • 4
    7y
    you will hate me for this but if i have to choose between open source that does n things and propertiary that does n+1 things, im gonna choose the latter

    that being said, i use 2 prop. software right now and like 100 open source
  • 10
    7y
    @AlexDeLarge Honestly, I thought that first comment was you ridiculing me for this rant/the idea behind it. I was wrong very much!

    If you're the kind of person who recommends open source software, I can't do anything else but praise you.

    Even at my last internship they used LibreOffice (which worked very well for them) because that saved them around 20K a fucking year.
  • 6
    7y
    @BindView I don't hate you for that at all haha. Although I don't agree with you, I get where you're coming from.

    But looking at your last paragraph, yes, nice!
  • 13
    7y
    @AlexDeLarge Oh be-fucking-lieve me, I'm fucking jealous of you for almost never having experienced that.

    The amount of fucking times I've experienced this is too FUCKING COCK SUCKING high.
  • 7
    7y
    @runfrodorun @BindView A war might be coming but just for the record, I'm with @runfrodorun on this one :)
  • 3
    7y
    @runfrodorun is 2 out of 102 rare enough for you?
  • 6
    7y
    @ThatDude Completely unrelated but are you a Signal user by any chance? If yes, what about connecting through Signal? :)
  • 5
    7y
    @ThatDude Sounds awesome! Could you email met at linuxxx@tuta.io by any chance? We could exchange information there possibly :)
  • 6
    7y
    @ThatDude I sent you a signal and another email, did you get either?
  • 6
    7y
    @ThatDude Just let me know when you get this :)
  • 2
    7y
    often open soyrce sucks less than proprietary

    fkin retards
  • 4
    7y
    Similar to @AlexDeLarge, I have been championing FOSS for over 2 decades and very rarely do I come across dumb reactions like that. Even where I work the adoption rate has been big, although not as big as I was hoping it would be. And it usually just boils down to support. If the application is mission critical and both FOSS and paid have the functionalities required, they would almost always go with paid software alternative because most FOSS have no SLA
  • 1
    7y
    @runfrodorun krita doesnt magic wand with antialias, firealpaca does. Case closed, cya
  • 4
    7y
    I tried to get one of my colleagues to start using git for a collaborative project. He went to the git download page (on his macbook) and started to complain the "oh it's open source... I don't use open source stuff, it can't be trusted."
  • 5
    7y
    @FuzzBang 😷
  • 1
    7y
    Not even telling him that it was developed by Linus Torvalds, or that our employer uses it was enough to convince him otherwise.
  • 4
    7y
    @ThatDude @FuzzBang not the dumbest thing I've heard but it's way up there! The source is publicly available yet it can't be trusted vs proprietary?
  • 1
    7y
    @linuxxx what free os can you recommend me? I'm trying to have one ssd with an 100% open source system. I usually use arch but I read that it's not 100% open source. So I tried to install parabola (recommended by gnu.org) but failed coz my USB didn't boot.

    Free as in freedom not price.
  • 1
    7y
    @runfrodorun so without ever trying said software, you doubt it can be better, yet you urge people to try open source software because its better? Nice thinking there.

    also i never said that
  • 1
    7y
    @FuzzBang Then he should probably get another kernel xD
  • 2
    7y
    @b3b3
    Really, any popular Linux Distro besides Ubuntu is good for freedom. You can't get around proprietary blobs in the kernel, and people who fight against it are what's holding Linux back as a viable OS for general users. So Debian, Fedora, even Arch (which is my favorite) are just fine.

    If you really want to be a Stallman-ite, then Parabola, Trisquel, or Void would work, but keep in mind that you may have troubles with graphics or wireless, as they have the free-as-in-libre drivers, as opposed to the binary blobs.
  • 1
    7y
    Welcome to my computing course. I get a mark or two for saying open source guff is worse than their proprietary counterparts >.>
  • 1
    7y
    @runfrodorun example, openoffice does not connect to a cloud, ms office does. Does that make ms office better? No, but it has a feature that the open source counterpart lacks. If i couldnt do my work without using ms's cloud for some reason, i wouldnt care how much better openoffice is, because i needed the propertiary software's one feature that the other one does not have. You dont have to believe me because this is not a claim or an opinion, its a fact, just like how krita doesnt have antialias selection or blender doesnt do partial chamfer.
  • 3
    7y
    The vast majority of software features appear in FOSS first, and then are adopted by the corporations that own the IP for proprietary alternatives.

    Whatever you might say about the quality of various flavors of proprietary software, versus their FOSS "counterparts," they almost always lack one absolute killer feature: nonproprietary interoperability. FOSS is almost always written with extendability and interoperability in mind, along with the firm belief that users have their favorite software, and if given the choice, they will not abandon it to be cowed by the holders of the IP of proprietary tools.
  • 3
    7y
    @runfrodorun You know, I'm mostly with you, there is one problem I see with your statements: You just generalize from knowing some examples of open source tools and say that FOSS is in the vaste amount of cases better than proprietary tools - without any data to back that up.

    The problem is, that there is no such inherent rule - to a big part the question if a good open source tool exists for a certain task is decided randomly:
    - There have to be people who are both interested in the application and in FOSS and have the abilities to develop software.
    - Whoever starts the FOSS project needs to be capable of managing it - most FOSS needs a big community in order to get the attention it deserves (development wise), but it's not easy to manage such a community (with often democratic decision models)
    - Very often, FOSS is maintained by 1 primary developer. If that one loses interest or time to maintain it, the software might die.
  • 2
    7y
    @runfrodorun What I am claiming is, that you should be careful with these generalizations if you don't have the data to back it up.

    There is no mechanism that makes FOSS inherently superior (nor inferior) feature and functionality wise.
    Also it doesn't sound that you have a statistics at hand which brings you to the conclusion that the above applies to 'most' FOSS compared to its proprietary counter parts.

    You're basically doing the same thing as those people @linuxxx is complaining about - only with inverted opinions.
  • 1
    7y
    I agree with this, fuck anyone that says Open Source sucks, I like open source because (to me personally) that means it's not some fucking soulless company only working for your money.

    Not to say all companies do that, but most do, and a good percentage of open source developers tend to work for a working app and healthy community rather than drain all of the user's income.
    (From what I've experienced at least, might be different for some other peeps)
  • 1
    7y
    Btw, I forgot to mention that the school my mother works at has installed Ubuntu on all their computers?

    They are now using Libre Office, etc. and it appears to be working really good.

    Just came to mind... 😉

    Also, there are a few counties here in Germany, where all official departments use Linux and open source software and a lot more which have migrated parts of their infrastructure or are still migrating.
  • 0
    7y
    Except office suites. Literally nothing is remotely as good as Microsoft Office.
  • 2
    7y
    @retnikt Debatable. Although it worked very well when I still used windows, during my exams it crashed more often than I can recall.
    Next to that, I've interned at two medium-large companies and now work at a hosting company. All used libreoffice and were happy with it :) the compatibility works very well enough with Ms office!

    (all in my case)
  • 1
    7y
    @linuxxx Does this apply to excel/Libre Office calc too? I've never really used one of those, but I heard complaints regarding compatibility.
  • 2
    7y
    @theCalcaholic Yup! I've made at least one page long libreoffice calc script at my last internship. Copied it to a guys windows machine into excel and it ran exactly the same way :)
  • 2
    7y
    @linuxxx Nice! Good to know. Although I hope I'll never be too involved in either of these tools. ;)
  • 2
    7y
    @theCalcaholic Oh me neither, don't worry about that one xD
  • 0
    4y
    I totally see the value of open source, with a few key projects in mind. However I find the quality of many projects the same as what I'd knock up to use myself in a weekend - e.g. nobody else should ever lay eyes on it. If a program has good input validation OR good exception handling OR good documentation, it's all good. If it has none of the above.... what are you meant to do with a program that terminates with no output or hangs infinitely? Not just tiny hobby projects, but things like Magento. What do you do if the documentation gives examples which are exactly how you are NOT intended to use it? I can't blame only open source for this, but it does seem to be prevalent. Probably because the outrage levels at a commercial product doing it would be off the charts. Sorry if this has become a counter-rant. Totally respect your frustration.
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