Lol, Microsoft finally gave up on Edge, and will go with a spin based on Chromium.

https://m.windowscentral.com/micros...

🤣 I was right when I said that Chrome is going to be the next internet explorer

The good part is that it should make web development simpler.

On one side I'm really thankful because it will make web development A LOT easier, but other than that, I'm not sure if it will be a good thing when chromium will have an even bigger quasi-monopoly.

@PonySlaystation Firefox is really low right now, 9% of the market 😶

@h4xx3r I thought edge was doing not bad

They should've done that from IE6 and up ha!

Edge will become the next Safari? Isn't safari webkit-based, which makes it essentially chromium based?

@h4xx3r Mozilla is trying hard to see how much they can push it down. So far, they've been doing a good job on that.

While I generally like that website, this is one time where it is obvious it is a clickbait.

This is for chrome to run on Windows 10 on ARM and possible to bring electron apps to ARM processors.

@PonySlaystation web development, as in front end development was flawed from the start with poor design of html then all the band-aid improvements such as css and JS.

Fact is that front end dev is hard because the W3 has failed to enforce anything and html, css and the other interpreted languages give browsers freedom to do the shit they like which makes your life hard.

But yeah. Let's give Chrome a monopoly just so that we still use html instead of fucking fixing the root problem here.

@MrCSharp HTML was not poorly designed. It's just that it wasn't made for pixel perfect layout because that just doesn't make sense - the screen isn't print, after all. It took frontend devs and marketing a looong time to finally give up on that nonsense.

This makes nothing more easy.^^
You're doing something wrong if you have to optimize for edge. This thing is like every other browser these days but with slow-ass ms-overlay.^^

@nitwhiz Not really. There are still some exceptions you have to implenent just for edge.

@irene thanks for setting the record straight :)

@irene They had to do it in Windows 8 for a while. They prompted users to choose between the default or a few others.

yeah! 😃 new shiny features and web APIs will now be implemented much faster. Houdini, WebAssembly, Web Animations Api, CSS Grid - here we come!

don't underestimate their ability to fuck things up

@webdev microsoft is the biggest contributor to open source projects.
Expect their effort they've put into edge getting chaneled into improving Chromium.

I just came to her to say happy 1000!

If they now could also change the rendering engine of Outlook from Word to Chromium, that would be great. Would make developing HTML-mails so much easier.

@TobiSGD open a issue on chromiums github 😄
https://goo.gl/o53k68
Issues · GoogleChrome/chromium-dashboard · GitHub

@cherkie holly Molly

@heyheni as some say: prepare for the worst, hope for the best

@webdev don't you like vs code too?

my comment was more of a joke than diss... on the other hand "Is it Windows Vista bad?" became a common phrase not just inside the IT community. Win10 auto updates are probably the worst kind of updates i have ever seen. The list goes on

VS Code is awesome, but the in a world where Sublime Text was probably the most used editor I don't understand the excitement it gets. None the less it is a great editor indeed. My point being, you cant cherry pick the good things someone did and forget the lame products it produced. Thats not how reputation works

@Nanos I bet MS was cheating with the fast loading by hiding away a part of its loading time in the system startup (auto start style).

@pwar If you see traffic from IE 6, do you really think that nobody will be using Edge?

...and, that's a big problem since elderly folks need to use their antiquated PCs for things like Telemedicine. They have no idea how to upload a picture to Facebook, so how the fuck will they learn how to download and upgrade a piece of software (not to mention an entire operating system)?

@Hypergeek For them, the answer is to buy a new PC.

@Hypergeek this doesn't make any sense on so many levels. First, not knowing how to even upload a picture, but telemedicine. Second, antiquated PCs with XP, but no drivers for current devices (telemedicine devices didn't exist back then because it wasn't a thing). Third, PCs sold in the last 8 years didn't have Win XP.

@Schroedinbug "What's that? I always try to be politically correct." ~ Grandma

@Fast-Nop - Do you build properties for Telemedicine? To them, it's simply a link, with the username and password given to the patient. 85%+ don't even change the password once they've logged in (which for them, in some cases, is like climbing Everest.)

And, it's not specifically applied to Win98 - but backward compatibility as whole.

To the point where Flash is still used (and already installed with older browsers) and Modernizr is key.

I'm using Brave, best browser I've ever laid my fingers on with high focus on privacy and also Chromium based

@irene yea but you can add more extensions, adblock works pretty well in it

@irene @frickerg my issue with brave is that it (correct me if I'm wrong but I've never seen the option) although its focused on privacy, you can't extend it with addons. So, you're bound to the levels of privacy that the browser offers and in my case that's not near enough so I've got no point in using it.

I might be the extreme in this case but I know I'm certainly not the only one and I find weird to limit someone's abilities as for extending privacy protections in a privacy focused browser...

@linuxxx Agreed. I installed it on my Ubuntu 16.04 LTS desktop and ended up unimpressed.

I love things like this, however, for developers - which is the primary reason why Brave was created (because who the fuck else would use it) - it seems like a worthless endeavor, unless it's to show the teams ability to create it together (or sell the rights for ownership and integration into a flavor of Linux.)

Without the ability to tie it into an already existing set of extensions like the ones Google's Chrome or Mozilla's Firefox have, it's impossible for them to be asking me to adopt it over what I've been using for years... which is the reason I keep falling back to Firefox over Chrome. Sure, Chrome is pretty and all - but Firefox gives me a much better neutral zone to work with in terms of cross-browser compatibility, and I've played the game of "back and forth" too many times to repeat the same mistake again.

@Hypergeek Brave is for concerned husbands who don't want get caught watching p0rn. 😉
huge market!

@heyheni - It's called buying a separate phone or tablet for "company business". :P

Now replace Bing with Google and I might just use Cortana again.

It's actually not really about the browser.
It's about the runtime that runs Electron which microsoft bought with GitHub. They plan to make progressive web apps the standard way of making software for Windows, with the goal of write once distribute everywhere. So that Microsoft can move to ARM Windows. In order to do that the have to optimize Chromium for various devices. And integrate Chromium thightly into Windows.

@heyheni MS will not (successfully) move to ARM Windows. Windows has always been available for several platforms, and no other than x86 worked out.

Main reason is that the users simply will not throw away all the software they have bought.

@Fast-Nop you're right i don't think they will succeed with ARM in the next 3 years but they tried so many times. This is another attempt.

Think about it, what if electron core is already baked into windows and the app payload is now only 3-5 megabytes. And thanks to WebAssembly and Progressive Web Apps API you get native app performance across-the-board.
Wouldn't that be the easiest way to deploy software? Instant install, runs on every plattform. Even on their own ARM surface tablets.

@heyheni MS cannot afford to do that because then people wouldn't need Windows anymore. They must make sure that Windows software is using the Win-API. Opening their vendor lock-in would be commercial suicide.

That's precisely why Windows will not succeed on ARM - because in reality, the lock-in is not only to Windows, but also to x86.

@Fast-Nop Microsoft tries to be more like Apple and sell surface devices instead of beeing stuck with the same products like Windows and Office.

To get there, microsoft learned from the windows phone failure. that people won't use a plattform when the relevant apps aren't available.

What they are trying now with Chromium and Electron is to convince developers to port their software to web technologies. In order when the next Windows (with ARM support) is released that it has enough software available by launch for ARM Windows.

Time will tell if they succeed. :)

@Nanos not true. I built apps for it. It was much easier and the tools were better than Android ones.

@Nanos under Android, you can install apps from outside the store, but that is disabled by default (security). However, the user can just enable this without hacks.

And you even can bypass the app level because the NDK offers a raw C/C++ compiler.

@Nanos Windows phones are more dead than a vampire at high noon in the Sahara who has a wooden plug through the heart, and the Surface is just a Windows 10 machine.

@irene ARM Windows is bound to fail just like all the other non x86 Windows versions before, and even if not, that still wouldn't impact the smartphone market.

@irene because ARM Windows lacks the one thing that makes Windows stick in the first place: compatibility to a truckload of programs. Sure, that could be emulated. But nobody is going to buy a machine that will at best slow down existing applications by 50% - if it can run them at all.

@irene well yeah nobody. That's why Windows Phone failed.

@irene the problem was that MS failed to leverage its desktop monopoly because desktop applications don't really make sense on a smartphone.

Also, MS didn't understand how the market works for latecomers and thought people just had been waiting for Windows on phones, totally misunderstanding that Windows isn't sexy, at least not more than beige-grey office PCs.

When you are late to the market, it's not sufficient to be as good as the established competitors. You have to be massively better because of opportunity cost for switching users, and that's where MS failed. No wonder for a company that has abused its monopoly for decades and doesn't have experience in actual competition.

@irene it's not only that. It's that the whole MS business strategy is pretty much a one trick pony. Let's see what others do, wait what gains traction, then make a bad copy of others' products, forcibly integrate that shit in Windows and hope that enough users are too lazy to change from the Windows default installs.

Examples would be browser, search engine, cloud and Cortana. The problem is that the step "forcibly integrate it into Windows" is vital to that strategy. Whenever that fails, MS doesn't see any other option that sticking a thumb into its ass and making a stupid face.

I've used a windows phone for a bit. They not the worst, but still pretty trash on software support imho. you could probably install android on it :D

@Nanos

"You needed to have a business before you could get a developers license." - Wrong, A dev license was always available to anyone... for a fee.

"Some got around that by having student access" - very nice of MS to offer it for free for students.

"So it wasn't like you could just write something, and deploy it without a lot of headache, or impossibilities." - It was pretty much that... write an app and publish.. I did it :)

"Side loading limited you to was it one or two apps to play with." - I don't recall such limit, maybe you are talking about how many windows phone devices you could register for dev purposes which was 10 I think.

"But to side load on my phone, I'd have to downgrade it first, do some very careful hacking, before upgrading it again." - BS mate. WinPhone 8 was done via PC, Win10Mobile is in the settings.

"And you couldn't just go to any website and easily seemlessly install an app." - Search Appx download.
"desktop like installation" - Hello malware

@Nanos

@Nanos 👍😄