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    If 20gb are lightweight...
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    I don't think so if you download what you need it's not a lie .
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    @iNCEPTiON Visual Studio itself is fucking bloat.
    Even if you count just its text editor.
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    Installer text size is too small in 15 inch screen
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    @Emphiliis my windows folder is something in the 40gb range on my laptop :/ it has win8 pretty sure it downloaded all of win10 lol
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    @CSaratakij why exactly?
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    @byIcee With modern cpu these day it seem like it lightweight but try that with potato. (its shame how people waste their computer resource these day)
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    @CSaratakij are you talking about visual studio or visual studio code? I find both very useful. Visual studio because I program in C# mostly, Code because of web apps, but that just might be me.
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    @byIcee visual studio, dont get me wrong. VS is great IDE for .net dev in Windows but u cant deny the fact that is bloat.
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    Also VS has the BEST C++ debugger.
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    Visual Studio is the best IDE out there period. You can target every platform out there.

    Ps. I now I am fucking microsoft fanboy.
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    I just can't stand this. Hopefully, JetBrains will take over the world. Most companies in my area are looking for .NET skills. That is what is in demand here so I was trying to relearn it but setting this all up put me to sleep out of depression lol. I guess I shouldn't be getting a job that I don't like in the first place. I fucking don't love Microsoft dev kits but I'm trying to. Do you think it's possible? Have you ever been to this situation and managed to love it?
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    I like Visual studio, but then again I started measuring my computer storage in terabytes five years ago, haven't ever ran VS off of a hard drive, and don't run an Atom processor on my dev machines so maybe that's just me. Computer hardware is so cheap that just throwing more power at it isn't a bad solution.
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    @Emphiliis well sorry, but it's a complete IDE. If you check everything, it will install several mobile device emulators, Linux emulators, and all kinds of other emulators for you, as well as 500 different frameworks and compilers and language support. If you don't need all of that - just don't use it.
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    @CSaratakij it's not wasting if it does stuff that you need, and that nobody else does. Have you tried IntelliJ IDEA? Have you tried Eclipse? When they start up, Java eats up 1-2 CPU cores, and memory consumption is through the roof. So Visual Studio is actually pretty good in that regard, in that it can actually work good enough on a 10 year old CPU.
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    @nikolatesla there's no room for fanaticism in developer world.
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    Compared to another IDE with these features its lightweight.
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    @apisarenco About wasting computer resource, I dont mean just IDE i mean the whole computer env. and r u sure 10 years old cpu can run VS? It fucking slow.... r u got one ur self? I wonder if u ever try some modern app on that cpu. u miss the fact that just windows alone use some system resource and I wonder how much it will spare for VS and u clearly overestimate how fast10 years old cpu would be.
    Seriously, It can get VS to works but it fucking slow.......... got damn it.
    Enjoy creating Space ship with high tech tools and the only thing that u got for tools to work is a fucking potato (If u have enough compute power, VS is freaking fine but hey it fucking bloat just admit it)
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    @maltedMilk I dunno, but I prefer to develop CoffeeScript and CSS in Atom
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    @CSaratakij "r u sure 10 years old cpu can run VS?" - yes. I worked for 2 years on a Virtual Machine running on 10 year old Xeons, I got 2 incredibly slow cores (slower than desktop CPUs at that time).

    Visual Studio is definitely not a bloat. It is very efficient at what it does. If you don't need any of that functionality however, go write in nano or vim or whatever. Then manually start up the apps on environments. Then find ways to debug errors, then do everything, EVERYTHING in text mode. Like ORM mapping.
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    @apisarenco okay,its a fucking xeon. fine then.
    as I said, if it have enough compute power, use whatever suit u.
    but as I said again, bloat == bloat. just admit it.
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    VS 2015 required at least 4 GB (some versions 10 GB) of space (without additional features).
    VS 2017 requires only 1 GB of space (without additional features).

    Why it isn't in your opinion?

    This point is subjective, but it's still lower than VS 2015.
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    @JS96 agree all except 1)
    lightweight isnt just about how much its size on hdd.
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    @CSaratakij if you're talking about RAM usage, it's still not much for this kind of software.

    VS 2015:
    1 GB (1.5 GB on VM)

    VS 2017:
    2 GB (2.5 GB on VM), 4 GB recommended.

    2, 4 GB in 2017... it's too much?

    Android Studio:
    3 GB minimum, 8 GB recommended
    + 1 GB for the emulator.
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    @JS96 If single app use 4GB just to write some app, yes it is too much.
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    @CSaratakij we are talking about a complete IDE, with intellisense, real time GUI preview, runtime process stats analyzer, etc.
    And it needs only 2 GB, 4 GB are recommended, but not necessary.
    In a world where every new PC mounts at least 8 GB.

    And Android Studio requires 3 GB.

    So if you find VS heavy, no other IDE will be for you.
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    @JS96 Okay, I can live with that xD
    (text editor ftw)
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    I don't understand this useless hate.
    I'm not a MS fanboy, but why criticize a software for no reason?

    1 GB of space is too much?
    Or maybe you're complaining about the 20/40 GB? Just don't install every fucking additional feature like Xamarin and support for 20+ languages you will never use (and if you're using them, just don't complain)!

    2 GB of RAM are too much?
    Open a fucking Google Chrome, a fucking browser, and see if it uses more.

    The problems you're describing depends on your HW and the size of the project, it's not fault of VS.

    18 minutes to build a project?
    Are you working on something very big or do you have a shitty HW?
    If it's the first case, you're making it wrong, for very big projects you should use IncrediBuild or similar to build it using the power of more PCs at the same time.

    On my SSD it never takes more than 15 seconds.
    So stop hate a MS software because you have a fucking old PC or you don't know how to use it!
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    Safe to say this if you have a 1tb ssd
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    @jyloo I have a 256 GB SSD.
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    @JS96 my 128gb ssd is always at the bottleneck 😩. Yet i still like vs and using it everyday😂
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    @CSaratakij it's not bloat if it's features. Bloat is something that's needlessly big. Look, you can use a ton of other development tools out there to do whatever the hell you want to program. Like I said, you can even use vim. But good luck trying to make that work, as .NET requires either a big learning curve to know how to tweak the engines, or a good IDE with good contextual help, which Visual Studio does BEST, and FASTEST among all other competitors. It can only be compared to what JetBrains is doing, and I'm sorry, but JetBrains IDEs are crashing a MacBook Pro 15" with the fastest mobile Core i7 4th gen CPU out there, when dealing with just a medium-size project.

    Don't compare apples to oranges.

    It's like saying that a cargo ship is an inefficient mode of transportation just because it burns through fuel faster than Paris Hilton is burning through cash.
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    Plus, I really really don't get how is it possible, in this day and age, for developers earning tens of thousands of dollars per year, to work on old hardware? It's the tools of trade for fucks sake! It should only be state of the art!

    Any argument that says that it's bad just because it eats up to 40Gb I will answer with "Cry me a fucking river!", it's just 20$ worth of SSD space, AT MOST.
    Works slow on an old CPU? BUY A NEW ONE! I mean how do you even live with yourself, as a software developer with a weak old CPU? Don't you get fed up with slow speeds absolutely everywhere? It's not expensive! It's very cheap compared to what we're making! Especially on .NET!

    Every professional spends thousands per year on their tools. Yet here we are, looking at the best paid professionals in the world, who can't afford a damn SSD.
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    Then there is my setup:
    Visual Studio: Ram = ~200mb
    Intellij: Ram = ~2gb
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    @apisarenco if you're referring to me, I meant the actual windows folder I'm totally fine with it being used for visual studio, I misread the original post.

    In saying that not everyone has money to burn on tools or hardware, I for one don't have that luxury, I however bought a SSD for my brother because he really needed the space, I have a 4TB myself but as everyone else said visual studio will still install itself onto the main drive, which is usually an SSD.

    I only earnt 30k annually, which after tax and payments for me is not a lot.
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    @f03n1x in the vs2017 installer you can choose the location, you can even have multiple installations on one PC.
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    @f03n1x up your game, dude. 30k is more than I was making 4 years ago, but I did have powerful development tools. Thou shall not wait long for compile.
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    @No-one Just a bit ago it got up to 1.6gb
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    @apisarenco it's minimum wage, last year I was earning $0

    Going to be unemployed soon, can't really buy an SSD with the money I have atm, commute costs/food/petrol/motorbike registration take higher priority at this point.

    I'm also trying my best to find a better job but as my other posts have described there are some absolutely bullshit job postings out there, Junior development but asking for 3 years commercial experience, no internships insight.

    $30k before tax...

    I also give half the money I earn to my parents to help them out
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    @maltedMilk yeah and I get the same automated email your CV looks good but we found a better candidate, we'll keep your CV on hand (like every other company) and I get no reply from about 80% of the jobs I apply for
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    Thanks @maltedMilk , yeah I really will keep trying, also trying to make an Android game to put on the app store to meet that whole planning to deployment tickbox (I have done the Android and iOS apps to deployment at work but rather want to add in game development as a big part of my portfolio)
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    @Codex404 ah right, I've only been using 2015 for Unity development, I guess I'll have to reinstall that at some point, though I do remember specifying one of my other drives and it never actually really listening to me and installing on my main drive.
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    Just to let everyone know, I meant the windows folder being bloated from what I believe was the window 10 installation on my laptop that has windows 8. I have about 40gbs of my own work + 12 gb for vs but not 100% what takes up the other 80+ GBs.

    Since I don't really plan to use Windows as much (partitioned most of it for Linux mint) I found it a hassle when trying to make space and finding I could not actually free as much space as I wanted, I love visual studio for both the c++ development I did and unity development I'm currently doing, it takes up 12 gbs but for what it needs to do is definitely worth it.

    I hope that clears up any misunderstandings people have.

    I'll definitely get vs2017 for my main PC though since from what I read it is definitely improved.

    I misread the original post, sorry.
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    There's a lot of good points here. Thank you so much! It helps us all change our opinion. I'm actually loving VS now! I was just kinda skeptical with all these enormous stuff being installed and I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. And yes, it did fill up my SSD somehow but it's worth it. I'll be watching out for the day when SSDs will become cheaper :)

    This massive code is also new to me. The ASP.NET Core/MVC6 alienated me so I started learning the the MVC5 first and it feels great.
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    @f03n1x "yeah and I get the same automated email your CV looks good but we found a better candidate" - that's literally translated to "Your CV doesn't stand out".
    Some guy, a fresh graduate we interviewed, had on his CV "contributions to project blabla". Where that project was an actual working, free, open source competitor to an enterprise system that usually costs a lot. Call me impressed! That guy worked on that impressive stuff, he must know his way around.
    He didn't. I mean he wasn't bad bad, but totally not what one would expect from a contributor to such a project.

    But the point is - we had him interviewed for a very demanding job. And all he did probably were some minor changes to that project. He did not fit the demanding job requirements, he would have fit a junior role, but we had none at the moment.

    Try the same thing. People today expect a lot of bullshit in CVs, and when they don't see it, they assume the candidate is just really bad.
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    @apisarenco thanks I'll take that into account, I just have to find some way to do that.
    Honestly just terrible at talking myself up, which is probably what causes my CV to be so bad.

    I guess I have some work to do.
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    UPDATE: I fucked up. Brainfuck.
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    @No-one the compilation is done by a different process. Running VS as admin doesn't necessarily mean the process it spawns is also admin.
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    @No-one i don't have much experience with VS, so you're probably right. Cheers.
  • 1
    I've done C# . NET development on it... Slow barely covers it. Couple that with their sign in system depending on Internet Exploder (win 7) and you get a bloated development tool that takes V5 minutes to load up.
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    @Toshib-htr maybe it was a 10 year old PC with a 20 year old HDD?
    Starting it up on my 2 year old laptop takes around 3 seconds.
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