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Why is it that when someone mentions they really like windows or that someone should/might want to install windows, hardly anything happens (maybe some funny comments from linuxers but no hate or anything) (same goes for OSX) but when someone makes the same comment about linux, they get burned into the ground as a 'Linux nazi'? I am not only talking about devRant (it happens here sometimes as well) but also about my study and real life.

If someone would mention that it might be useful to install windows or OSX over Linux, it was all good but the FUCKING SECOND I mention it might be useful (or other linuxers) to use/install Linux, we are immediately put away as Linux nazi's.

On devRant I've tried to keep this shit to myself because I don't want to start wars but I think I am going to quit doing that and actually show my fucking opinion. Yes, that might also result in some people seeing me as a fucking linux nazi but fuck being burned into the ground every time I give my opinion regarding this.

Fucking hell. (nothing personal to any devRanters by the way but I am starting to get really tired of this shit).

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  • 3
    Maybe you just are a Linux Nazi? :P your name even has Linux in it.

    As Devs we often need to work and compile in all environments. I am sure we are all bright enough to work out what the best OS is for us, even if it takes some years to learn this.
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    Use the OS that serves you best for your daily needs, it’s simple really.

    No single OS solves every problem and they all come with there problems.
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    @xsacha I am deffo a linux fan as you can see from my username yes. Of course we need to work in all environments sometimes, I never said anything about that? And yes the brightness is true as well but what does that have to do with the rant? Are you implying I am not bright enough to choose what tools are needed? (not attacking you or anything at all but this is also something said to me a lot when I mention anything positive about linux so want to make sure :P).
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    @C0D4 Yeah I know. Same as the last comment, how does that relate to my rant if I may ask? 😅. I simply said that I am tired of being labeled as a Linux nazi whenever I say something linux-positive around non-linuxers :).
  • 0
    I just mean that suggesting someone install a different OS could be like suggesting that they change religions.
    Just hope that they are bright enough to work out the best OS for their situation and jump out of the flame war.
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    @xsacha Ah right. i had this when, for a project, we needed to work with Arduino and after hours it still didn't work on Windows so I suggested to try it out on Ubuntu and everyone went like 'OH FUCK OFF WITH YOUR LINUX, FUCKING NAZI'S'. They tried it on Ubuntu and it work from the first second.
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    @linuxxx

    I think “linux nazi” came along as a stereotype. in my experience the typical response to an OSX / Windows issue is “Should have used Linux” when the person making the statement is a full blown linux user.
  • 0
    Because we are linuxnazis
  • 1
    I have had the same thing with a colleague developing for Android. Had all these issues on Windows like devices not working when he plugged them in or disconnecting during debugging, files not appearing. Probably driver related I told him. Plugged it in to my machine and it just worked every time. Told him how you don't need to go hunt for drivers using Linux and most of the problems he faced don't happen on Linux.

    Told him if the only thing he uses is Android Studio there'd likely be no issue for him to switch over to Linux.

    Eventually he switched to Linux and, despite knowing nothing about it, has never looked back. Apparently using it at home now as well.
    Asks me for help for occasional things he doesn't understand yet but that's a learning curve he was expecting anyway. No longer encounters an issue where everyone is like: 'google it', 'try restarting it' or 'try another cable' as he had got for all his windows issues.
  • 3
    @linuxxx share your opinions. If people don't like it, it's on them.
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    As a former Mac user, I think Windows is fine, and I am starting to explore Linux. I think each OS serves a purpose.
  • 4
    Fuck em. Use whatever fucking os you want. It's not their computer. If they don't like your os that YOU use on YOUR computer, they can go get fucked by a rusty metal dildo.
    It's not like you're forcing people to switch to Linux just because you prefer it.
    Bunch of whiny fucking babies who need to go focus on more important things, like why their life is so boring they have to pay attention to the fact that you don't use their same os.

    (No idea if my train of thought got derailed, but your rant made me mad for you)
  • 1
    I can't see why anyone is particularly bothered. Use what you want. Slagging off other os's isn't going to make any difference to anyone. (Windows is shite though) 😀
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    I think it's a stereotyping thing, people get used to people talking about linux being aggressive about it, so linux user = linux nazi
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    @Letmecode I was just referencing to the fact that at least in my 'world' (aka, what happens in my life) I come across this nearly on a daily basis (or, that was when I was still studying) and when that happens a lot it starts to annoy at least me to the fucking point. Turning against mac users... yeah let's start an anti mac movement :P.

    @taylorviktorya Thanks haha! It's even with legitimate things (talking with my linux teacher about servers, (not any OS yet), me mentioning Linux for OS and immediately three people start bashing me for always being the linux motherfucker. Like seriously, that was a very valid moment.
  • 1
    I think anyone saying "Linux is shit" or "Windows is shit because updates take ages OR it has viruses" are shallow people. For me I can never imagine Linux as my primary OS but I also can never imagine me doing ReactJs, or node related stuff on Windows it just doesn't fit for me.
    If someone says I like x os then who gives a shit, it does the job for them even if it has shitload of viruses, who cares, it does the job and thats it! I never got virus on Windows ever since I learned how to avoid them. When I have to deal with remote Unix I do it on macOS or Linux because they have built-in tools to help make my task an easy task. But when I want a solution that gives me total control yet not require me to spend sometime in terminal I go with Windows, when I just want a solution that works I hit macOS and if I want complete control, Ubuntu is where I go.
    What is shit for someone is good enough for another I just hate it when people say "x is shit use y" because they are used to using y!!
  • 0
    I would love to use Linux over Windows but.. muh games.

    Maybe one day..
  • 1
    @Akselmo I used to game myself on windows. I just dual booted :). But hey, use whatever suits you!
  • 0
    I'm not sure whether this fits the rant narrative or not, but hey, might as well jump in. I am a Windows user, but my recent dev environment doesn't block me into an OS (mostly Node stuff - major change from what I used to do), and I have met some people telling me that Linux is better for development of any kind (any kind that can be done on Linux, obviously - I don't think anybody argues over developing Windows Forms programs in Linux (if you use Windows Forms in new software in 2017 you deserve a special place in hell anyway)), and that just doesn't fit right with me. Since I have all the tooling I need in any platform (basically Node.js, VS Code and Chrome), I have to look at other sides of the OS to figure out whether I am more productive, and Linux has not been as string of a point for me (very appealing, nonetheless). So, first example, logging in via fingerprint in Ubuntu. Never got fprintd working properly - I properly could have with the necessary time, but why should I ...
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    @derTuca Appreciate the long comment! I just don't get what your point is exactly :).
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    ... have to sacrifice that time in the first place. At a later point, after several OS changes, I have decided to try Fedora, since I have not tried any RHEL-based distro so far. Fingerprint login worked flawlessly with out of the box support, but then VMware wouldn't work. Never got that one working. So, point being, I don't have any problems with Linux (I quite like it, in fact), but I can't stand people saying it is the best OS for development without justification.
    #endregion comment-rant
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    Sorry, took me a while to write it
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    @derTuca Well since it's (yes this is my fucking nazi view on this) closed source (windows) I think that Linux/BSD are good by default and windows and all other CSS (Closed Source Software) OS's are bad. Solely because we can't verify what the fuck is actually going on in those operating systems. And I am highly uncomfortable with that in an age of mass surveillance :).
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    Side rant, can we stop calling fanatics about something Nazis? Even if they're a dick about how much you should use/do it...It's a little fucking disproportional. Come on people, kind of a dick move. Almost like you're a Nazi Nazi
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    @derTuca I think the problem is you have spent a lot more time on Windows so you are just more in-tune with its nuances. I am confident I could get fprintd on Ubuntu and VMWare (or VirtualBox) in fedora in a matter of minutes just as I know Linux well and these OS are likely to be test-cases for that software already and so probably do work. Linux usually gives sane errors. It is probably about whether you want to invest the time to learn what Linux is.

    Developing software using node environment as someone who knows both Windows and Linux very well, I'd say I would be FAR more productive in Linux simply as: it will run the scripts and compile packages MUCH faster, will use symlinks instead of blindly copying, can use docker without a VM natively on host, I can mount the AWS instances as a native filesystem (/aws/) and various other reasons that do not immediately jump to mind.
    All of this impossible in Windows without massive speed sacrifices (about 5x slower).
  • 0
    @linuxxx Well, we might just classify this as users of those OSs having different values. I, for one, might care more about my productivity than using open software (I might be able to live with VirtualBox, but Skype for Business is a bitch), while you seem contempt with sacrificing a little of your time in order to have an open OS while staying productive. So, point being, I try not to try to make anyone switch, and in my dream world, nobody would. It just boils down to productivity. If you are more productive using Linux (in your Arduino example, for instance), then just dive straight ahead and do your thing, I say.
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    @xsacha The fprintd point probably is true, but I saw that VMware had an actual bug that prevented it from working on Fedora without manual patching. Maybe others who know Linux better can get it working, but I won't bother. In this way, the time I save from the builds just ends up being consumed by the configuration. Maybe I am a bit biased, since I have not had problems with Windows drivers, like many people seem to have, but eh.
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    @derTuca While that's true and I deffo don't force anyone over to anything, if there really are (and according to someone I trust a lot called snowden there are (don't worry I don't believe him blindly)) backdoors in commercial operating systems, I'd actually find it quite dangerous to be on the same network as those people.
  • 2
    @linuxxx I might sorry about that if I could refrain myself from using Microsoft, Google or Facebook services, but since I can't really do that (as in I don't have the determination), I get tracked quite a lot even if I use an open OS 😅 yes, I am weak.
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    @derTuca Fair enough xD. I don't use google/facebook/MS stuff (yes, including things like messenger, whatsapp, skype and so on), (do use twitter/linkedin though) and try to use everything open source. Also I use shitloads of stuff like VPN, Tor, firewalls to block out google/facebook/ad trackers aaand so on aaaand so on :P
  • 0
    because only thing Linux is good for is developing the Linux you've got installed. therefore unless you're a Linux OS developer it's never a good idea nor useful
  • 3
    @Midnigh-shcode I disagree. Kali comes with fun tools like Metasploit so I can play around with them and learn things.
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    @Midnigh-shcode So you're telling me that what I am currently doing on my Fedora machine is not useful? (Writing a REST api, multiple actually. Chatting with friends regarding OAUTH implementations, doing some general research, devRanting, monitoring a few servers, managing my music library and I could go on like that for a while.)
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    @Midnigh-shcode wait so you should use the OS you are writing programs for. Well damn that means devs using macOS and windows are wrong since most webservers are linux along with just about anything IoT. But wait i guess thats why they make cross compilers
  • 4
    Take out an android phone, preferably theirs, if they have one, then shove it in their face (hard enough to break their nose) and yell “THIS- THIS IS LINUX, THE MOST POPULAR MOBILE OS IN THE WORLD RUNS ON LINUX” and then their nose might start bleeding, if you time it right.
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    @calmyourtities I like the way you think :).
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    @Midnigh-shcode wow better quit my day job then. I distribute Linux and Android binaries from my Linux boot at work.
    Of course I don't dynamically link to shared libraries specific to my Linux install as you seem to suggest and I hope no one does.
    I also write the source that is used in Windows and OSX/iOS (it is cross-platform) that gets vetted with CI or when I boot in to other machines. Most of the binaries distributed, however, come from the CI which is a Linux machine itself.
  • 3
    @linuxxx it's only a handful of insecure windows users that are perpetuating that pattern. It's hard for Linux users to be insecure when there's nothing to be insecure about. There's also a fair amount of cool windows users on devrant as well... @Ashkin and @jAsE come to mind.
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    @QueenMorgana Where can I acquire one of these rusty metal dildos so I can find the ass-goblins that deemed @linuxxx a nazi and give 'em their just-desserts?
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    @KidLaser probably the junkyard. Could also use a rusty mace and nail them with it right in the scrotum
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    hehe...junkyard
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