Look, I can be an efficient developer or I can be a Java developer

that's funny. have my updoot.

Im the most efficient java developer you can find on this floating rock in the middle of nothingness. Im also the biggest ShitBeast

Eclipse makes you hate Java? Tried other IDEs?

@asgs Myself and my teammate are trying to get this dumbass geriatric project to work in IntelliJ

Your first mistake was eclipse, your second was having the dream of being efficient while using eclipse.

I am a proud relaxed user of Eclipse....

@TheBeardedOne I found IntelliJ even worse.
I'm sticking to VSCode for now.
Hate me, Idc.

Well don't try Ruby then

@c3r38r170 hate me more. I continue to stick with Eclipse

@NeatNerdPrime I'mma guess you're on a newer version than 2019-06?

@c3r38r170 I'm a big fan of VS Code but yea... This project ain't playing ball there

@TheBeardedOne yes indeed. 2023-03

Nobody expects an IDE war!

The score of this rant is

-0.06451789140701292 GENTLE AS A LAMB

"we are an agile and forward looking company - built on modern stacks within stacks upon abstraction upon abstraction of java classes! come work on our next-gen team!"

@fullstackcircus I knew what I was signing up for but I was out of it and they offered me, well not a lot of money but the most I've ever made so...

Grab a cactus

It's true for any language with an aged project.

Primary Factors involved:
- Years
- Developers involved
- Build system
- Number of dependencies
- Number of redundant dependencies
- Fluctuation of core developers
- Quality control (or the lack of it)

Most people don't understand that language is just a small part of the deal.

Any project in any language becomes a shithole after enough years.

Unless one really really really puts the thumb screws on the devs and makes sure that they don't do whatever the fuck they want.

Even then, it's really a hard job to keep stuff going for years - a project should age like a fine wine, but without proper care it's vinegar.

Oh and regarding Eclipse.

If there are things involved like Tycho,
I really pray for your soul.

May a dealer with a full stack of fun pills crash in your house and hopefully you have the party of your life with that shit, cause Tycho and other things in the eclipse ecosystem are... horrendous.

I'd rather deal with a 10 year old auto hell project than that shit.

@TheBeardedOne hey, if it's the most you've ever made, its the most you've ever made!

gotta snag it

@IntrusionCM what is auto hell? Auto is a car or what?

@retoor oh my sweet summer child, don't taint your innocence with knowledge of the forbidden fruits.

The auto tools (or autohell) are the GNU build tools based on M4… a macro language. Pretty common in C/C++.

./configure is a dead giveaway that you deal with autotools.

https://github.com/OpenSMTPD/...

If you wanna have a look at what M4 macros can look like, google pointed me here. But be warned, that looks clean compared to stuff found in arcane projects.

@IntrusionCM ah, can imagine the output checking all the availabilities. I think python source uses it. Probably used to ensure it running on all platforms. Meh, let's ditch windows support. Let them run a docker with decent os that doesn't lag

The picture says it all.

@Grumpycat I'm currently writing voluntary an interpreter using Java at 3:00 AM to eventually rewrite the whole fucker to C. Nie Mercie 👊🏻

@NeatNerdPrime wow. You should really hide your rants for your employer. Damn

@Grumpycat Duke Nukem 3D for the win! lol

@NeatNerdPrime ah I remember using eclipse back in my SAP days...

took longer to configure the damn thing than I actually ended up using it!

what planet are they using now for the release names? uranus? or have they run out?

@fullstackcircus they ran out. They just do YYYY-MM now , with build ID YYYYMMDD-<iteration>