why do i have an iphone?

well, let's start with the cons of android.

- its less secure. this isn't even arguable. it took the fbi a month or something (i forget) to break into an ios device

- permission, permissions, permissions. many of the android apps i use ask for the not obscure permissions.
· no, you don't need access to my contacts
· no, you don't need access to my camera to take notes
· no, you don't need access to my microphone to send messages
· no, you don't need access to my saved passwords to be a functioning calculator

- not being able to block some apps from an internet connection

- using an operating system created and maintained by an advertising company, aka no more privacy

- i like ios's cupertino more than material design, but that's just personal preference

pros of ios:

- being able to use imessage, at my school if you don't have an iphone you're just not allowed to be in the group chat

- the reliability. i've yet a data loss issue

- the design and feel. it just feels premium

- if i could afford it, ios seems like a lot of fun to develop for (running a hackintosh vm compiled a flutter app 2x as fast as it did on not-a-vm windows)

so that's why i like iphones
google sucks

I guess it depends on the application in question.

Take evernote for example, it does require access to my photos since I will take images and pass them over to the app to post it. If not I can just disable it. Same for microphone or contacts.

I for one, like to be asked before something is about to happen, whereas in other places it is taken by granted.

We differ in our definition of Google, so I am not going to touch that and agree to disagree.

If anything I would say that both operating systems have their pros and cons. I vastly prefer ios for a looooooot of things. But alas I am far too invested in the Google/Android ecosystem.

One thing is for sure.

Native IOS development with Swift and Obj C is fucking beautiful. Most of us that had to work with it laugh at the idea of having to use flutter.

Whereas in Android camp that is a whoooooooole other story.

I disagree. Android is android, and therefore you can do whatever you want with it.

You probably need to modify android a lot to fit really fit your needs (or lineage os?), if you want something out of the box then ios is your choice.

Isn’t this like linux vs mac os? (Not including apple product price, just the os)

IOS sucks... Although I own Apple stocks because they pay nice dividends... from all the money they make off their products and services that they sell to people like you :)

Aight vro what le fuck

1) uh no?
2)apps not axing 4 permissions on ios dont mean they dont use thos features
3)cept u can
4)yes because apple r saints and would never collect ur data huh, also with a droid phone yknow, you got the CHOICE to use an other aosp rom (note the os part, that shit mean open source)
5)-
6)sound like a shit schoo but k
7)same on droid???? fuck you talmbout
8)yes, iphones the only metal device aight chief
9)flutters cross platform ya dummy, obj c sucks ass and swift is poorly designed, and xcode is made by my gramma on xans

@ganjaman too much agro my niukka

@AleCx04 imma just start barkin at these n's

@devTea Apple = it just works, Apple is God
Android/Linux = it mostly works and we default to being God but if you insist and really feel like you know what you're doing, you can be God

@ganjaman You've had a few too many beers? Agree to all you said, but not a single bit too, well, ya know

@calmyourtities I'm not convinced with the "form" of your rant. It's a bit like saying "heads I win, tails you lose". (Android cons and iOS pros)

@devTea Well said!

@AleCx04 @ganjaman I find it impressive that you are able to understand each other. I fail to do so dramatically.

@ganjaman nailed it.

Apple products "just work", granted.
But only in exactly the way they have decided, so you can do nothing about anything.

The permission argument is quite reverse:
- not Android, but the specific app developers ask for permissions.
- Android then asks you.
- You have no idea what is going on with that on Apple devices... Just saying...

Gave up on "feels premium"

@Jilano jus country boys from tha country side avin a banter

@ScriptCoded whats too many in ur book huh

Apples brainwashing power is astonishing.
Asking for permissions is GOOD not bad.
Also if you want to convince people that x is better dont just show the good parts of x and the bad parts of y ;)

Lotsa citation neededs going on in you post

@ganjaman Well, it's like 8 am here 😅

If an iPhone feels premium in 2018... this means that the new Samsung/Huawei are made of pure 24k gold.

Android asks you for each permission when app needs to use certain feature and you can disable it, sure ios is more secure because its closed source not open source as android let apple open source it for an hour and it will get hacked

Android pros:
1. You have freedom
2. You can customize it as you like
3. You can install apps from apk
4. More apps than ios
5. One time 25$ developer account
6. App approve in an hour on store
7. Develop from any desktop os
8. Flagship phones at midrange price
9. Many other things i cant remember now

Just leaving this here...

https://theguardian.com/technology/...

*fliesaway*

- Apple has the encryption keys in hand
- Apple has free game since nobody but Apple knows the source code

Also, may I mind you that Android isn't less secure by design but by market.
Android has a way bigger market share, thus it's more interesting for attackers.
it's why windows get's attacked by malware more often than Linux.

No iphone, no access to the group chat. Good the selection is not based on the gender, skin color, religiin or sexual orientation!

@billgates yeah? How much / how often?

@M1sf3t So how many Android devices have you owned/used? Your story sounds like "I have owned iPhones my entire life, which proves that it is best."

"It's less secure"? You can make your android device as secure as you want it to be. You can do whatever the fuck you want with android, while ios is completely opposite (unless you jailbreak). This eco-system Apple so proudly and its users advertise is garbage.
I used to like Apple products, but switched a couple years ago.

To finally have something that references all points while using English instead of… whatever:

- Security: So you're saying they were able to crack it? If you do it right, it should be impossible.
- Permissions: Only for shitty apps. And the solution is root.
- Firewall: The solution is root.
- Google: There are Android variants without Google apps. They just lack a bunch of functionality. Of course they do, since you refuse to use Google products (except Android).
- Design: Can't argue with that, it's subjective.
- iMessage: Well, that's caused by people using iOS. Not Android's fault.
- Reliability: I also never had data loss. Heck, my last phone just randomly turned off during a download and never back on and I lost basically nothing. Automatic backups FTW!
- Design: Can't argue with that, it's subjective.
- Developing for it: No idea, never tried it.

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Biggest points against Apple in my opinion:
- incompatible with a lot of standards (micro USB, Bluetooth, …)
- expensive
- child labour and other moral stuff
- restricts possibilities and often acts like the user is stupid, just like Windows. By default you can't even choose an MP3 as your ringtone or remove apps from the start screen, not to mention replacing the start screen, keyboard, etc. and modifying basically everything, as you can do on Android with root and XPosed.

Fun fact: I have an argument against each of your points!

@Fabian there's also the whole right to repair thing which apple is very much against

@Fabian eat a dick, its perfect english

@M1sf3t Home buttons? Hopefully nobody with an iPhone 6 got hit by the infamous "Error 53" bricking of their phone after that, no?

@Jilano it takes a rn to understand another rn

@M1sf3t Apple published a software update that bricked all iPhone 6 which had home buttons repaired by "non authorized personnel".

See: https://appletoolbox.com/2016/02/...

Your security argument is invalid.

Neither is particularly secure by default - the fact an iPhone could be broken into in a month makes it... pretty darn insecure. If anyone on the planet could access data on my encrypted machine in less than a few years of compute time, I'd say that's insecure. A month is nothing.

The difference is you *can* secure and encrypt Android so no-one's getting in, if you really want to.

@just8littleBit quarterly, ~ $1/share so $4 a year.

What? Android can be secure, it depends on the user and what shit they've installed.

Apple devices are overpriced and delicate, they also don't let you do anything other than what they want. Anyway, their ethics suck. Imho.

@ganjaman did u type this on an android

1) android is less secure

2) yes, apps on android have tended to ask for uncessary permissions on android

3) not with motorola/galaxy s5 distros of android

4) i'd rather not use an open source operating system and void the warranty

6) top 50 in the usa

8) i did not say that

9) flutter builds faster on a mac vm on my laptop then it does on windows (my normal os)

@Jilano everything has its pros and cons, those were just the factors i used

You might as well use a brick as it will be even more secure. Cutting down on options doesn't make it a superior or more secure phone.

@Fexell ios is more secure. not really debatable https://link.medium.com/pxojNOxGsS

@calmyourtities if I jailbreak an ios (and the fact that you can even jailbreak), then it's less secure. Security depends on who uses it. For a layperson that installs a ton of apps yes Apple is better because they force you to update.

For a power user, Android is as secure as s/he wants. Just ask @Linuxxx

The other reason is it costs a dev $99 a year (or more) to publish in the App Store. Play Store requires a 1 time payment of $40. Naturally lower barrier more spam... just like Facebook....

But that leads to better and faster innovation so because anyone can hack together a solution. You know the iOS keyboard that can now be switched... That took Apple 8/9 iOS versions to put in?

Android had apps for that since v3 or even earlier.

@billgates @calmyourtities let's take a look at your statements:

- just because it took the fbi months to crack it, doesn't make it more secure by default. You literally cannot say it's more secure than android solely for the reason that you can't view the source code: you won't be able to see vulnerabilities or backdoors. Without seeing that, you can't factually say it's more secure.

- apps asking for permissions don't make the operating system less secure. I just deny anything I'm not comfy with and if that makes the app unusable, I'll uninstall it.
With (root) apps like XPrivacy, you can control an absurd amount of permissions. (I can give you screenshots if wanted)

- Not true. There are root and non-root firewalls and I though that in newer android versions this is literally built in.
On my android phone, apps can't access the Internet unless I explicitly set them to allowed in the firewall. (root firewall in my case)

- Not true. Ever looked at AOSP? By default it's pretty much android, completely open source AND: by default Google shit isn't installed.

- fair enough, I can't work with iOS personally but opinions be opinions :)

- Being able to use imessage: fair enough. Blaming android for not having imessage and thus not being able to participate in group conversations: that's a policy thing, not androids mistake. (in fact: it's apples choice not to release it for android)

- I find android very reliable and never had data loss due to androids mistake. I'd say this is a personal experience thing.

- opinion. I can't stand the design (I've used an iPhone for a little more than a month). But: fair enough, use it if you want/like!

- opinion thing as well. I've multiple iOS devs as friends and their opinions vary from hating iOS app development to loving it.

@calmyourtities
The device i use (whichs a linux laptop btw) got nothin to do with facts aye

1) repeating wont make it tru
2) dat aint droids fault, its the developers
3) evn if u got a 5yr old phone, u can just install a 3rd party internet blocker
4) u do realize stock droid is OS too aye?
6) bein top n dont mean its good, it means there r a lotta students goin 2 competitions. My hs was top10 country an my college is topsomething europe an they both suck ass
8) read between tha lines chief
9) ye woah epic amazing, that still dont make it non-crossplatform, eclipse loads faster on my windows machine than linux, does that make java a windows language?

@linuxxx

1) maybe true, but ios users update their phone much more than android users, which is undoubtedly more secure.

2) agreed you can control it, i'm just saying ios apps can't ask for absurd permissions, and you shouldn't have to root your phone to have better control, just look at the image i uploaded

3) i shouldn't have to install a firewall, android should just have it

4) aosp voids the warranty, but i would definitely use it if i had an android

5) it is apple's choice to not release imessage for android, but android/google still lacks a singular, solid non-third-party messaging service. i have to use signal or snapchat to talk with my android friends.

PS google maps should not need access to my contacts

@calmyourtities

Google builds platforms others can use and develop

Apple builds everything

If we ever started Monopoly busting, Apple is probably going down first.... though there would be a lot of public resistance I suppose...

But yes this is basically going into economics...

@calmyourtities

1) how can you make sure that the update made your phone more secure if it's closed source? [Insert meaningless update here]

2) iOS doesn't explain why the app needs such permission but any decent Android app would explain it in the app store

I think every Apple patch update is to fix a bug. New features are only added in major releases.

Fixing bugs means they screwed up the first time... and Soo badly they actually had to patch it

(Oops I Did It Again just popped into my head)

Look at it another way. How often has iOS made the news in a bad way.

How often has Android? And the user base for Android is how many times bigger than iOS's?

https://google.com/amp/s/...

TLDR: Everything Apple does is in its own interest. It only caved in when it can't have it's way.

Good for investors, not so good for developers/tinkerers

@Fabian

making something impossible to hack is something near impossible, but taking the fbi a month to crack it is secure enough to get me to use it.

shitty apps shouldn't come preinstalled on androids

i shouldn't have to root at all, android should be a better os to begin with

i don't use android, and my county has a deal with google so i have to use google and chromebooks every day

my parents who use android have lost important data twice, one time it was an sd card i/o error and another time they reset their android crashed and they lost their data.

true, it should be compatible with more standards, idk why you put bluetooth though it's compatible with that

it is expensive, but samsung galaxy and samsung note are generally in the same price range

you should assume the user is stupid.

Assuming the user is stupid will only make them stupider.

@billgates google builds platforms for others to help its advertising sector. why else would they release google maps, photos, gmail to ios?

@shaki little known fact the kernel of ios is open source, and the app store rejects any kind of app that uses unnecessary permissions

@billgates new features were released from 12.1 to 12.1.1, bug were fixed too, i'm not sure about older updates

@billgates android shows up more in my news feed, i am an android dev tho so google might be reading my thoughts

@billgates lots of devs love it, i personally do too, and there's no complaining about gradle

@calmyourtities

You keep switching between android and google, they still are seperate things even if google owns it, it's open source.

And releasing the kernel doesn't mean that you can compile your own modified version of ios (which is the topic here) it gives you a better understanding of the underlaying code which isn't that big of a deal considering it's darwin based

Guess we should just stop... As long as your not forcing it down my throat, to watch his own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@calmyourtities

1. My business phone has updates every fucking week (to the point of multiple a week sometimes).

2. Of course they can. (I've used an iPhone myself too badly)

3. Read my comment again.

4. And if you'd install something else on your iPhone than iOS (if possible), you lose your warranty as well. (some android brands don't have this by the way, Huawei is a good example)

5. Android doesn't require Google services to run so pointing out that Google doesn't have this while android can run without Google stuff is weird I'd say.
Even if I could, I'd avoid imessage like the plague, though.

Google maps thing: I agree. I don't use it and don't have it installed; this has nothing to do with android.

@calmyourtities As for your comments towards Fabian:

- They could just not be allowed to use a backdoor which is only available for the nsa. Could be: we've got no clue as it's proprietary (ios)

- that's not androids mistake; manufacturers can install anything they'd like when selling phones.

- True and you don't have to. How should it be better? Please elaborate with arguments.

- I'd move to another country but that's all up to you ;)

- Their bad luck id say, never had anything like this (neither on iOS by the way) but using that as argument against android... That's like bashing a car brand because your new car came with a faulty navigation system. One failure doesn't mean the entire line/brand is crap.

- no clue so not commenting on this one.

- yeah but that's just one brand. Sony phones, for example, are way cheaper and have the same performance as iphones/samsung phones imo.
My sister would love an iPhone but would want a new one (so it would get along for 6+ years) and those start at about 1K here: that's way too much for what she could pay for a phone.

- Depends on your target audience. I find iOS highly unintuitive/hard to work with, that's a matter of preference and what you're used to, really.

@linuxxx 2nd #5. China is a good example because it doesn't have Google so their phones actually have 2 versions: China (apps and features that work and only make sense to users in China) and International (Google services)