When gender is a text box and not radio buttons... Just why?

To be inclusive to LGBT+ people that don't identify with binary genders and/or be politically correct.

or someone with too much time to clean up the database

Just write "no thanks"

Life is a textbox that accepts all characters

Why not? I would prefer to not have it at all when it is not necessary but if people like to have their gender in their profiles, why not free text? It's not if doing that is more work than a combobox.

Its supporting gender diversity

Why still include a sex/gender box that's just more unnecessary data. Does it really matter for a non dating/social media service to require such info?

Bad design. Even if you wanted to include the American genders it makes database structure illogical and dirty so no thanks.

Just recording the three possibilities (Male, Female, Other) and stocking them as own datatype in the DB is something I have so rarely seen in databases it's almost ridiculous.

"Car"

Nowadays gender input should be color picker.

Because the world is a confusing place

Can someone please explain "gender diversity" to me?
I really don't see a point. I mean, it is fine, if a man feels like he is rather a woman or the other way round, or that someone cannot identify with any of the two genders. That's completely fine for me and I can understand.

But: how many more choices are there?
It is a natural restriction. There are life forms without a gender, life forms which have both genders and some which are just binary. There are 4 choices in total.
What more do people expect to be able to choose from?
Honestly, this is not meant to discriminate, I just don't see any other possibility than those 4.

@uyouthe as a colorblind person I identiy as noncoloredgendered

Maybe because those who have to choose other as gender can describe their gender in elaborate manner

@DelError well at first I think it was supposed to reduce identification by sex/gender to reduce inequalities and discrimination, but in the end it just created a shit-ton more qualifiers for differentiating people and imposed itself onto people who never asked for shit.

@darkLord
But how would such a description look like.
What are the possibilities except for "male", "female", "both" and "none"?

Gender?
XSS script 💩

@DelError Cause it’s not about sex, it’s about the mind, and because gender has become very socially important I think you should be able to identify to anything you want, should it be “jedi”

Because the world is full of fucking nutjobs

@segfault0xff
Exactly.... People identify themselves as a toaster or a cat..... What is wrong with you, go get some professional help....

@segfault0xff thank you for having common sense

because everybody loves @non-binary 😅

@rEaL-jAsE I see how it is useful for targeting and stats. It should be a requirement only in services that needs the information to run the service. Otherwise it is just information greed. After all if people don't mind giving you personal information, it can still be left as optional.

Because one can identify as a fucking apache helicopter nowadays 😂

@sudo-rm-rf it is one of my favorite memes. I don't have anything against transsexual, nonbinary etc people. I just think that things are going too far

Because gender is no longer considerted as a binary choice.

Endless possibilities

@Condor
This. Exactly.
Thank you good man/woman/nginx attack helicopter for having common sense!

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

I have enough of this gender bullshit.

I respect all people who don't choose their gender (identity) just because the "feel like it" or they "want to be special".

Transsexual people, homosexuals, heterosexuals, sexual-organs-missing or sexually dysfunctional people are all totally OK and respected (for identifying as binary or no gender at all).

But when it comes to people who think they can force arbitrary pronouns or demand special treatment (and in the case of Canada get the pronoun thing into law), are mostly just psychologically challenged and need treatment (I mean that in a positive way).

It's made obvious by numerous studies, that the likelyhood of committing suicide is massive when it comes to transgender people and the like. It is really sad.

I wish this political corectness madness will stop in the near future. It kills free speech and democracy.
These ultra leftwing people demonstrating for that gender thing think they are "doing good for the people", but it is just another way of being marxistic assholes trying to force people.

NOPE, not touching this topic with a ten foot pole. The answer can only be wrong. I'll let my manager decide what to do.

I hope it accepts emojis 🤖

Plot twist: the other 32 questions are also labelled as 'gender' and they are surveying how many different ones you can think of.

People are inventing genders so fast that it's impossible to support them all with radio buttons.

Because PC.

Because it’s 2018 and the world has gone mad.

I actually appreciate when forms do this because my gender is:

; DROP TABLE [UserInformation]

So it’s always appreciated.

Because I identify as a C# Razor Template Compiler and need to feel represented.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with this gender bullshit. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not a gender identity. There are only two sexes. Humans are a sexually dimorphic species biologically. Identify your gender however you want. Just don't get it confused with sex or sexual orientation.

@DelError There are some life forms with 7 (Jellyfish) but I agree with your sentiment. Humans have two main karyotypes. Some people are born with weird non XX/XY combinations, but they are always sterile and cannot reproduce (well there is one woman who has reproduced, but it's very rare).

Maybe one day we'll evolve more sexes, but until then, sex for humans is two. This idea of gender we have now is more about behavior and social construction, and I find it pretty annoying too. The English language was getting simpler. We lost gendered nouns a long time ago. Let's no add more unnecessary pronouns back in.

The Germans have the best handle on this: Male/Female/Other. There. You're done.

Came here for the shitstorm, wasn't disappointed

I identify as "; DROP ALL TABLES;--

@olback The user is the pest and everything that comes from him is infested, treat it with the most attention

@djsumdog
You are totally right.

Except for the German thing, unfortunately. Well, in theory you are right. But with this whole gender debate people are starting to butcher the German language with some supposedly gender neutral forms which sounds just plain ridiculous.
For example: "Professor" (which refers to university teachers only in German) has a female form "Professorin" which is used if addressing a female professor directly. At some universities they wanted to introduce a form like "Professix" as a gender neutral form. Apart from the fact that this word originally does not exist at all in the German language, it looks and sounds like shit.

@DelError professorix sounds fucking awesome though.

@balte
Haha, yeah, at least somehow funny. But still, even then I wouldn't see the point for m if inventing new gender neutral forms in a language where grammar is fixed for decades and where two forms are established and working well.

The question is: Why do we still includes gender in the forms?

@raulqf
What do you mean? Two genders, two forms. And you somehow need to refer to people or objects. So"he", "she" or "they" it is, depending on the context and the person you are referring to.

@DelError My point is the same as @Hallelouia. If the information is not strictly necessary for the service you are offering, why do we still need to ask about the gender? It you want to refer someone, use the name.

@raulqf
Ah, yeah, to that I agree.
But imo this applies for all kinds of information. If it is not necessary for the service, don't ask.

@DelError language is an ever changing representation of society. purists have been trying to stop changes for centuries and not a single one has been successful at it. language isn't something that is ever complete or finished, unless you are referring to dead languages. those are definitely finished ;)

@balte
I can only partially agree to this.
It is true that it might be necessary to find appropriate words for new concepts or things we discover. But other than that, I do not see how a language itself could/should change.

What changes maybe is the way we talk, e.g. it certainly is strange if someone would talk Shakespearen style nowadays. But this concerns only the way we express ourselves. The Gramma used is still the same.
Why should it change even? How a language is build up, how sentences need to be connected, verbs are conjugated and time forms are structured is a set of fixed rules.
And there are 3 sexes in a language (at least those I know): male, female, Neutrum - He, she, it.
There is no way somebody could be referred to as something else, because it is not possible in these languages, because there is no need.
We are talking about gender, not sexual orientation.

Only because some people think, for the sake of PC, languages should be adapted, this is not necessarily true

Languages themselves are non-discriminating and not sexist in any way.
Maybe sometimes the way we use them is (or just seems) sexist/discriminating.

But if the grammatical rule of a language is, that if you refer to a group of People who are not specified any further, an expression or pronoun is used which is the same as a male pronoun/expression would be. Then this is not sexist or discriminating, it is just how the language works.
It does not mean that the expression or pronoun is meant to describe the group as male dominated, it is just that the same expression is used.
This is the same like words which have multiple meanings in different contexts.
E.g. a (baseball-) bat.

I really don't see why people have trouble wrapping their head around this fact.

@PonySlaystation I don't agree. I feel reality is closer to what @non-binary said. I don't think transgenders chose to want to be the other gender. Quite the opposite. They do realise life would be a lot easier otherwise. And that's an understatement. And if it's that important to them, why not? I respect that, just like I want people to respect my freedom (you don't want to see me drinking in public or dancing or whistling in the train? Well, fuck you too)

The thing is, I just don't want to have it shoved up my ass every time I turn the TV on. Reality shows abusing those people and almost literally presenting them in a freak show really make me sick.

@balte
Have you actually read my comment at all?
First of all, etymology is about the source of words, which has quite little to do with structure of a language itself.

Second, I am nowhere saying that this minority should not be heard. I am just saying that the assumptions which are made about allegedly male forms for a group of people is wrong and therefore there is no need to complain.
Furthermore, if you already state that someone is "quite clearly wrong", you should at least have some arguments why that person is "quite clearly wrong".
If you use this phrase without giving any arguments it is just the same as saying "your moral point of view is wrong therefore your argument is not valid", which is just another form of an argumentum ad hominem which is in no means a foundation for a discussion.

@DelError you're getting on my nerves so I will walk away now

ps: you were talking about no one. "no one" is clearly contradicted by a single counter example. I can give you many counter examples in this case. I am still of the opinion you were "clearly wrong" but again, I will walk away. let the observer observe what they wish to observe from that.

@balte
You see, that's the thing.
Why is there the feeling that they are less worth just because the rules of the language are as they are, although the rules are not sexist ment in any way. It is just how the language works.

Let me tell you why: because they want to feel like that. Because people currently just want to be offended.

It is no one's fault that some people just done get how languages work.

I think there is no point in discussing about languages, as this is not the real problem. The problem is in the heads of the people. People who think women/black/disabled/deaf/trans/helicopters are inferior are the problem. Not our languages.
We need to change how people think and act, but don't start at changing languages, this is probably the least important thing in that matter right now.

Where would this lead to? Disabled people feeling offended that the disabled parking spot shows someone in a wheelchair but not everybody parking there is necessarily in one?
...

...
Let me tell you, as a disabled person myself: I don't give a flying f. I know what the sign means, that's enough.

The problem here are rather people using the spot who are not allowed to do. Or calling out disabled people who use those spots but do not look disabled (enough).
I had all this happened, so I was at the recieving and of belogning to a minority.
I fucking know how it feels.

But to cope with it has also so much to do with your own set of mind.
Sure, one needs to raise attention to those problems. But please, to the actual problems and misbehaving of some people.
If everybody feels offended for everything then we, as a society, won't make progress either.

@DelError why DO these people think they are inferior? and how DO we get these people to not feel inferior?

if you know this, please let me know. we could save a lot of people together ;)

@balte
Walking away won't solve the problem either. In fact, it creates more grudge in general.

It is correct that I said there is no need to have any other gender than male, female or neutral in a language and therefore it is no problem.
But, what is the issue here? Tell me any other gender, please, which does not fit in any of those categories. Enlighten me, because I cannot think of a fourth alternative for humans.

@DelError your wording gets on my nerves. I'm walking away because I might end up picking a fight and nobody wants that.

neutral is better than nothing :D although... Apache helicopters are anything but neutral ;)

@balte
Integrate them in society as an equal member. But not by language, because that changes nothing.
Show them that they can contribute to society equally, despite being different or even because they are different.
Create jobs for people with handicaps and discipline people for joking or disrespecting transgender/black/white/helicopter people.

Really, the reason why this whole language debate makes me so furious is that I belong to a minority and I don't see how this can improve things for any minority. It totally misses the actual target: to integrate everybody equally in our society as far as possible. By actions and behaviour and not by talking.

I say as far as possible. Because someone in a wheelchair just can't be a soldier at the front and someone migrated to a country who cannot speak the language yet cannot start immediately as a teacher.
Some things take time, some will never work, as hard as it is to accept this. Believe me, I know what I say there.

@DelError There's even no need for neutral. Transgenders change gender Therefore they use male or female. The only "neutral" I can think of is a hermaphrodite, who's both male and female. But maybe, if it's deemed necessary, you can allow to chose both genders, making "neutral" redundant.

@DelError I understand your point of view.

my reasoning behind the eventual change of language is that I am convinced that 1) it is a contemporary issue and language often reflects that. if the issue does not remain, the language will just go back to where it was. and 2) giving a minority a name makes them happy. and I love happy people :D

but I do absolutely agree with you that the issues you noted are much more important. but, don't you agree that language forces people to think about these issues? can we make this a kick-started for discussion about variety and minorities rather than a heated debate on true/false outcomes?

@non-binary
Nobody want you to go away. That would be cruelsome.
Maybe people just first need to understand. I for example cannot think of a fourth gender, but I am willing to learn, if someone would just tell me :-)

But honestly, I think it is no solution either to rub everybody's face in the fact that someone is different. I don't care if you are male, female, trans or a helicopter without a blade. If you are a friendly human being, great, let us talk and work together.
If you are an asshole, get out of my way. But don't get out of my way because you are different. Get out of my way because I don't like your behaviour.

We have to share this fucking dirty ball if mud. Let's make all the best out of that

@irene I think the idea of a flat earth is ridiculous but I don't tell people they are broken and need a psychiatrist. are you ok at all?

@irene hm, that's interesting indeed.

so how do you propose we stop racism?

@balte
Honestly, I cannot completely agree on the language thing.
Sure, we need to acknowledge new concepts in the language, like having words for those people. But I don't see the point of changing the language to distinguish even more.

I think that makes the gaps between different groups even larger.
I'd rather try to include as many people as possible in an expression. And this is the point where I think that the current form of our language suffices. Because it is, imo, important how it is meant, not how it sounds.

@DelError I agree completely. Changing language is bullshit. I mean, the intention is obviously ok, but it's counterproductive. What happens is the new word gets to be discriminating. First nigger, negro, and so on, or, like in my home city, first migrant, then "allochtoon", then "person with migration background". It just doesn't work. The new word immediately gets a negative connotation. Same with the disabled. How many words do we have for disabled people by now?

@non-binary I don't think they change gender for fun. It's not a fun procedure. What I do wonder is if they're all gay. I know many transvestites aren't.

@irene probably the aggressive ones haven't gotten far enough to accept themselves mentally. common sense pills would probably help haha. in any case, a psychologist.

ps: I love the dear user idea. kind of like celebrities give their fans names. :D "dear ranters" which would help with feeling accepted rather than labelled.

@FunkDelegate @DelError yeah you've convinced me regarding the "naming a minority" but I'm still quite alright with a free form gender approach. it doesn't enforce anything.

I love these, it allows me to enter my proper identity.

ROU Point This End Towards The Enemy

I agree with @DelError. It's either you're male, female, both or none. Anything beyond that, for me, does not require my effort cause its ridiculous. I'd rather go try sentiment analysis with FORTRAN then create animations with PHP after that.

People are growing insane and they want us to understand their insanity and give them a hug for it. Piss off

@the-dawn We're all a bit insane to some point. I had some severe depressions for example.

@FunkDelegate i do get that at some point we all go through something, but i'm sure you didn't try and impose your issues on others generally and if you do grow insane even i would tell you that you're now a bit nuts. We should draw the line or truly, the world will be a nutty place...and i'm allergic to nuts

@the-dawn I don't think they want to impose their insanity. They just want to be treated as a normal person. More specifically as a man instead of a woman (or the reverse). In Holland there's a respected journalist that used to be a woman. (And no, his articles aren't about transgenders.)

As I said before, I really don't want to have it in reality shows on TV. When in e.g. a movie it's fine for me, but not in a freaking freak show. Ffs.

@irene im sure im missing your point

@FunkDelegate No No No you're getting me wrong. I did say female, male, both or none. Those i understand. Anything beyond these 4, those i do not understand

@irene it's a bitch ain't it? Just do what you like to do most and fuck everything else 8)

@the-dawn Oh sorry man, I did get you wrong. I don't even have an idea what other options might exist.

Oooh sweet @irene, you missed my point as much as i did yours

@irene Especially when you fuck everything you don't like 8)

@FunkDelegate no problem mate. It's also the idea of more than 4 sex categories that boggles me

@the-dawn If we're going to continue like this, we're going to have a lot of outofrangeexceptions. 😁
(With missing points I mean)

Okay, @irene and @FunkDelegate you're scarying me with this fuck what you like stuff lol@irene

@irene im about to come down on you with another set of nuts in here

Yeah, me too actually. Especially when you know @irene a bit 😁
You guys should check out "the boys". It's a comic book where superheroes do fucked up shit in their private life. I really love it (maybe that shows how fucked up I am😁).

One of em has exactly this problem. When he sees a hole he needs to fuck it 😁

I'm going to stop using this smiley now. Hmm, no. One more time 😁

Meanwhile at the backend...

Class Gender { ...

@irene no, I'M all in 😁

At this point ... Why put a gender input if you cannot work with it ...

@irene I was kidding 8)

@Qwby Post-modernism has been shown time and again to be daft as fuck, there's nothing wrong with having an opinion and it encourages discussion of these topics.

@irene doesn't that 15700+ digit chase men away?

@irene its intimidating. Makes you look like you code C# with one hand on one screen whilst simultaneously coding JS on another screen with another hand

@irene wholly crap. Your avatar has 2 screens? Shit, i was right. U code in 2 diff languages simultaneously 🤣. Super.

Im complementing you saying you must be smart. Put simply

@Djanjo they really don't though. Or rather, the amount of people that do that is so small that you shouldn't bother getting offended by them

bECAUSE ITS A SPECTRUM
i get it

@Condor rip apache 😭

@rEaL-jAsE He's very !amazing

https://youtube.com/watch/...

@inaba DemSoc only calls him out about the definition of postmodern marxist. But Perterson's view is not baseless. He has huge experience in psychology and that's where DemSoc can't attack him.

@PonySlaystation Yeah but he sure as shit aren't nearly as famous for his psychology as he is shitposting about trans people and shit like that

@inaba he did never discriminate or shitpost about trans people...

@PonySlaystation Nah but I'm considering his whole spiel about C16 as shitposting basically.

I also don't know if I could look up to a guy who, rather than making a calm response as to "10 reasons ur wrong m8" would rather say "fite me irl bitch"
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson...

@inaba I don't know what his reasons were, but posting stuff like this on twitter is just wrong.

@irene Now, that isn't really what I said and you know it. I said that it would be pretty silly to look up to a guy like that.

It's just a bad designer

@irene I sure as shit don't want the people I look up to to act like children.
Hey let me just try the thing you're doing too: So the people you look up to tells other people that they want to slao them if they meet them?

@irene I'm not using reverse logic. I'm just asking a question based off of something that you vaguely said or have implied

@rEaL-jAsE Jordan b Peterson is *always* just on the verge of a mental collapse...

I don't like all his work, I don't dislike all his work, but people should just learn to breathe before typing.

Would do everyone a massive favour if we could all just take the global stress levels down by 1.

I live by this mantra "could I show my mother this tweet and not have her horrified?"