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So when I joined this community, I was bit embarrassed because I am a tester and everyone around was a dev.
But I was wrong. I was welcomed here with a warm heart. I got love beyond expectations.
In those early days, all I wanted was enough votes so that I could afford my favourite t-shirt and matching shoes in avatar builder.
Not only I got those, but some free sticker swag and soon enough the squishy ball.
I made friends and I openly brag in public that I have some awesome friends from around the globe.
An angry yet down to earth German ranter.
The Pink Goddess.
The script master Brit.
The sysadmin enganeer from Belgium.
The account deleter from Australia.
Some awesome Muricans.
The privacy guy from the Netherlands.
Sysadmin from Sweden.
French, Swiss, Japanese, Indonesian, Burmese, Swedish, South Koreans, Middle Eastern, Fillipino, and even some fellow crazy Indians as well.
I am fucking proud to call you all my friends.
Upvotes hardly matter to me. Interaction is what I am here for. And you guys make me feel at home even though I am tester.
Founded the Team Raven and Lol club. The random mention activity was also fun.
But never did I thought I would reach the 4th top ranter position. Beating the master in his own game? Lol.
What next? I look forward to meet you all in real life. Thank you David and Tim.
Thank you devRant 😊96
Has anyone here have crazy ideas of what they want to do in life, only to realise those might be absolutely pointless?
As I've studied Food Production Technology, I have this idea of somehow making it possible to mix phages in foods for vaccination purposes. Phages are natural viruses to bacteria, so they are difficult to be used in that way...
Another idea is to make simulations of life of bacteria of different kinds.
And study the hell out of some pretty weird genetic mutations that are purely esthetic, but shouldn't happen.
Yeah, I am into microbiology and genetics...
I'd also like to develop games...14
This rant is a confession I had to make, for all of you out there having a bad time (or year), this story is for you.
Last year, I joined devRant and after a month, I was hired at a local company as an IT god (just joking but not far from what they expected from me), developer, web admin, printer configurator (of course) and all that in my country it's just called "the tech guy", as some of you may know.
I wasn't in immediate need for a full-time job, I had already started to work as a freelancer then and I was doing pretty good. But, you know how it goes, you can always aim for more and that's what I did.
The workspace was the usual, two rooms, one for us employees and one for the bosses (there were two bosses).
Let me tell you right now. I don't hate people, even if I get mad or irritated, I never feel hatred inside me or the need to think bad of someone. But, one of the two bosses made me discover that feeling of hate.
He had a snake-shaped face (I don't think that was random), and he always laughed at his jokes. He was always shouting at me because he was a nervous person, more than normal. He had a tone in his voice like he knew everything. Early on, after being yelled for no reason a dozen of times, I decided that this was not a place for me.
After just two months of doing everything, from tech support to Photoshop and to building websites with WordPress, I gave my one month's notice, or so I thought. I was confronted by the bosses, one of which was a cousin of mine and he was really ok with me leaving and said that I just had to find a person to replace me which was an easy task. Now, the other boss, the evil one, looked me on the eye and said "you're not going anywhere".
I was frozen like, "I can't stay here". He smiled like a snake he was and said "come on, you got this we are counting on you and we are really satisfied with how you are performing till now". I couldn't shake him, I was already sweating. He was rolling his eyes constantly like saying "ok, you are wasting my time now" and left to go to some basketball practice or something.
So, I was stuck there, I could have caused a scene but as I told you, one of the bosses was a cousin of mine, I couldn't do anything crazy. So, I went along with it. Until the next downfall.
I decided to focus on the job and not mind for the bad boss situation but things went really wrong. After a month, I realised that the previous "tech guy" had left me with around 20 ancient Joomla - version 1.0 websites, bursting with security holes and infested with malware like a swamp. I had never seen anything like it. Everyday the websites would become defaced or the server (VPN) would start sending tons of spam cause of the malware, and going offline at the end. I was feeling hopeless.
And then the personal destruction began. I couldn't sleep, I couldn't eat. I was having panick attacks at the office's bathroom. My girlfriend almost broke up with me because I was acting like an asshole due to my anxiety issues (but in the end she was the one to "bring me back"(man, she is a keeper)) and I hadn't put a smile on my face for months. I was on the brink of depression, if not already there. Everyday I would anxiously check if the server is running because I would be the one to blame, even though I was trying to talk to the boss (the bad one was in charge of the IT department) and tell him about the problem.
And then I snapped. I finally realised that I had hit rock bottom. I said "I can't let this happen to me" and I took a deep breath. I still remember that morning, it was a life-changing moment for me. I decided to bite the bullet and stay for one more month, dealing with the stupid old server and the low intelligence business environment. So, I woke up, kissed my girlfriend (now wife), took the bus and went straight to work, and I went into the boss's office. I lied that I had found another job on another city and I had one month in order to be there on time. He was like, "so you are leaving? Is it that good a job the one you found? And when are you going? And are you sure?", and with no hesitation I just said "yup". He didn't expect it and just said "ok then", just find your replacement and you're good to go. I found the guy that would replace me, informing him of every little detail of what's going on (and I recently found out, that he is currently working for some big company nowadays, I'm really glad for him!).
I was surprised that it went so smoothly, one month later I felt the taste of freedom again, away from all the bullshit. Totally one of the best feelings out there.
I don't want to be cliche, but do believe in yourself people! Things are not what the seem.
With all that said, I want to give my special thanks to devRant for making this platform. I was inactive for some time but I was reading rants and jokes. It helped me to get through all that. I'm back now! Bless you devRant!
I'm glad that I shared this story with all of you, have an awesome day!17
On 30th December 2017, exactly a year ago, I was bored and was browsing Play Store where I was suggested devRant.
I was introduced to a new world of interesting people who had similar life struggles and challenges.
I ranted here a lot. Soon became fourth top user and currently the second I guess with all the digital votes.
What's more important is, I made so many good friends whom I shared so much about myself which I would never do in real life with anyone.
I don't even know the names and location of most of you but have learnt a lot from you all. The emotional connection is beyond words.
I am thankful to you people.
Last one year has changed me a lot. My stupid manager and the ass licker have taught me a lot on how to live in a corporate world.
And do you guys remember my crush about whom I used to be stressed a lot because I was serious about, but could not talk due to my shyness?
Well, just last month our mutual friend told me that she got engaged and possibly will be marrying soon. Yes, I am devastated. My friend helped me move on and taught me some skills. Lots of life lessons learned.
My priorities and aim in life have changed. I am clear about my vision.
I also used to crib about my shitty job and with all the lay offs, I have applied internally to another project with a role switch. I hope it goes well and I get the transfer.
Some things are fucked up, some are good while some remain as they are.
I am back here and will be ranting about my life and connecting with you all crazy heads because sometimes, the virtual life is better than the real life.
I not sure whether life is fun or sad because of ups and downs. But one thing for sure that things happen at right time with right people at right place.
Best things are never planned or anticipated.
Sometimes when you look back, it's all different. You never wanted it to happen, but you deserved it maybe because you being prepared for something.
Sometimes you do want to undo past but somethings are better left as they are.
You become a person you never wanted to be but have to because situations and circumstances force you to be. You regret but have no option or control over it.
Life is unfair and worst part is, it is never unfair in your favour.
Above all, life goes on.. it goes on...19
I have never been fucked more in my life. A month ago I finished a 3 month internship for my last year of my education. And next to the internship I only have my thesis to defend and voila, I got my diploma! The internship itself went awesome, met some very interesting people, had a ton of fun working there and they were really happy about me.
But then it started, about 2 weeks after my internship started I got an email that my mentor (from school itself) had changed. It changed to a guy who's known for his insane way of teaching and being very unprofessional. Sometimes when I had a class on another level a bit further in the hall, we could hear him screaming while he was "teaching". He's really insane and should in no way be teaching to students. On top of that he has very little knowledge about CS, since he "teaches" maths.
So after I got the news I knew I was fucked. This guy is really hard to communicate with. And I'd never be able to have a decent, professional conversation with him.
So after I did everything I knew I was supposed to do, I tried to contact him on what else he'd need from me. His emails were crazy, unprofessional, and in no condition of being able to read and understand. So I started to get really annoyed but I didn't make this clear towards him. I even complained to another person of my school in a very polite way by saying that our communication wasn't going so well, I got no answer from that person and she even forwarded my complaint to him without asking for my permission and answering me.
So I kept doing what he kinda asked for, but had no idea if I was doing it wrong or right since I almost never got an answer from him, or the answer was not even an answer to my questions in the first place.
Today I had my presentation of the internship in front of him. It's the first time I see him since this school year. I give my presentation being quite happy of what I did at the company. When I was finished he starts bashing me into oblivion with ignorant questions, comments and very deconstructive negative feedback. Me not knowing what the fuck is happening and getting really angry inside standing there with nothing to say. I answered all of his questions as good as I could. But he was tearing me down so fucking hard. Because I only had half an hour I sticked with the most important stuff about my internship, didn't go to deep into all of it because he's not a fucking it'er anyway, and he asked for it specifically not to go deep into the project. But now he's saying I'm not giving enough information?! (He wanted to know what IDE I used?!?! What the fuck has that to do with anything)
So although I had a wonderful internship and I completed my project far better than the company had expected, my presentation went awful. I'm thinking that the guy was predetermined in failing me. How can I do a good job if he himself is not give a fuck about me. So now he's probably failing me for something he has no clue of what I did, and it's not even my fault.
I have no idea what I should be doing now. I start working in the second week of February but I probably won't get my bachelors degree until September now because of this fucker. I'm even thinking on taking legal actions. This guy just fucked my self confidence so hard. I'm fucking depressed right now15
I vehemently despise the popular image of developers as borderline autistic savants living on junk food and working 24 hour days!
You see, I bought into that vision and became that person. When I first started working as a developer, I would work crazy long hours, eating junk food while neglecting my health and personal life. This behavior was encouraged by my boss and co-workers, and became expected, with the sales people boasting about it to the clients, like is somehow proved I was a better developer.
It's no big surprise that this kind of life comes at a cost and can not be sustained. I burnt out, my life fell to pieces and my body fucked out on me.
It's taken me years to repair the damage and I am still doing so.
I now work at a company that understands the importance of a healthy work/life balance, and I take full advantage of that.
Perhaps if I had a wise mentor when I first started, I could have worked smarter instead of harder and respected the needs of my mind and body.
I am that mentor now.
Developers are smart people, we should stop glamorising a stupid lifestyle.12
A story about an Android TVbox which decided to become an iPad
Several years ago we've bought an android tv-box.
It served me and my family well for several years.
Specs are not that important in this story, but there they are:
Amlogic quadcore 1.4HGz
This device served us well - online TV, browsing, music, file sharing and so on. But recently cheap Chinese memory deciteed to take a break and damaged ROM. Because of that device won't boot. The only option was to take it apart and "short circuit" certain legs on memory chip and make it boot from SD card and install new firmware. After such operations tv-box worked well again.
Hoverer, memory glitched again and again and this algorithm was repeated for several months.
But that is not what is this story about.
One day memory went completely crazy and there was no way to install new firmware on it. It just hanged on install. (BTW, it was official firmware for this device)
But after countless attempts it finally worked! It installed the firmware and booted into launcher and connected to WiFi!
But now comes the most interesting part.
It was not android anymore.
It decided to became an iPad.
My dad logged in to his Google account via tv-box and got mail that someboby connected from our IP via iPad (we don't have an iPad) and using safari browser! Stock browser is not safari browser.....
"Ok, nvm, crazy glitch." - we thought.
But preinstalled play marked wont launch. Because he told us, that we're trying to connect from iPad.
And Google chrome page suggested to download chrome for iPad
And everything was acting like it is an iPad.
OK, downloaded iTunes, why not??? ._.
Tried to install elixir for android via apk from flash, but then memory glitched one more time, everything went black and tv-box had damaged ROM again...
After that we decided to not torment it anymore...
That's it. Poor Android TVbox that all his life dreamed to become an iPad. Rest in peace.3
So this happened a few days ago. I always want to root my smartphones for that little bit more control.
*Put's new smartphone into fastboot mode*
*Tries to flash root zip onto it*
"You have to OEM unlock the bootloader first"
*OEM unlocks the bootloader*
*Tries to flash but fails*
*Tries to reboot*
Phone: "The bootloader has been tampered with, the device will boot in 5 seconds".
*Screen just hangs there for ages*
*Tries to enter fastboot again to OEM re-lock the bootloader*
*Fastboot appears to startup RIGHT AFTER THE FUCKING ERROR MESSAGE so can't boot into that anymore*.
Hmm... TWRP is still installed...
*Tries to flash some stuff through TWRP*
"The zip file you are trying to flash is corrupt".
FUCK MY FUCKING LIFE.
*Connects phone to Linux for adb flashing*
*Nothing happens after half an hour of trying*
*Connects phone to ancient windows 7 laptop*
*Laptop doesn't even RECOGNISE the phone although all drivers are installed*.
*Le me about to completely lose my fucking mind*
*Connects phone desperately with Linux again*
*Phone is recognised right away but the SPL flash tool can't detect it*
*Tries to put it into fastboot again*
*Fails for about an hour*
*phone in charging mode again*
*Presses the power button for a last, desperate attempt*
*SPL flash suddenly recognises the phone*
*Android boots again like nothing happened*
I can use it again like normal but the No-Root firewall is draining my battery like crazy.
That was one hell of a journey though!10
My colleges and I were talking about salaries in our company. Our team as about 10 members. Many of us are receiving interesting offers from other companies, and we concluded that we were being underpaid.
In this life, unless you ask to, no boss will raise you, even if you put some extra effort and work the shit out of you, to bring that profit, new client or something else good to the company.
Nobody was interested in talking directly about that to our manager. Just a side note, our manager is an awesome senior developer and a very nice guy. It shouldn't be too hard to talk about this issue to him.
I waited until our annual performance and salary revision to talk about it. Everyday our team talks about this. Everyone is going crazy.
So I went straight to the point, during this meeting with our manager, and said that we needed to be raised. All of us, because other companies were offering much better salaries.
He said to me: "Take this paper, write down what value should every one receive, including myself."
I took this opportunity and put down the values, raising about 600€ for each one.
I looked at it and said: "This looks ok. I'll will ask your colleagues to do the same task. Wait here."
So he went and requested everyone to do the same thing, without explaining why.
Guess what happened? Some mother fuckers actually cut on others salaries, instead of raising everyone equally.
Anyway the manager said he would show that to the CEO, and maybe something would happen.
We were all raised in the values I said so, because the CEO want us to be among the companies that pay the most.
After the backstabbing, no one ever talked about that. Except for 3 good fellow developers, that thanked me for my initiative.11
If you need to learn/teach object orientation, these are my approaches (I hate that classic "car" example):
1) Keep in mind games like Warcraft, Starcraft, Civilization, Age of Empires (yes, I am old school). They are a good example of having classes to use, instantiating objects (creatures) and putting them to work together. As in a real system.
2) Think of your program as an office that has a job to do, or a factory that has something to deliver. Classes are the roles/jobs and objects are the workers/employees. They don't need to be complex, but their purpose must be really (really, really) well defined. Just like in a real office / factory.
3) Even better (or crazier), see your classes and objects as real beings, digital creatures in a abstract world, and yourself as a kind of god, who creates species (define classes) with wisdom. Give life when it is the time for them to come into the world (instantiate object) and kill them when they are done with their mission (dispose an object). Give them behavior, logic, conditions to work with, situations where they take action, and when they don't. Make them kinda "smart". Build them able to make decisions and take actions based on conditions. Give them life. Think on your program as an ecossystem. There must be balance, connection, species must be well defined and creatures must work together to achieve a common objective. Don't just throw code and pray for it to run. Plan it.
When I talk about my classes like they are real beings, and programs as mini-worlds, some people say I am crazy, some others say that's passion.
It is both! @__@3
So yesterday I deployed a build on our release environment and i had added a new rest api end-point which I needed to test.. A heads up though, its written in java spring and the entire flow consisted of too many calls/returns from various other java & python services.. Also to make things worse, the entire deployment is a really cumbersome process as you need to copy the build from one box to another..
After like almost 4-5 hours of debugging, adding logs left right & center, crazy upload speeds (yaa this is sarcastic) and frustation at its peak, I found the issue..
There was an if condition that was checking for equality between an enum constant & an enum in a request aaaannnnnddd
THE CONSTANT ENUM BELONGED TO THE WRONG PACKAGE HENCE ALWAYS EVALUATING TO FALSE... ALSO, BOTH THE ENUMS IN THE DIFFERENT PACKAGES ARE IDENTICAL... FUCCKKKKKKK MY LIFE
Best carrier choice: leaving the old company I worked for...
TLDR version: I yelled at owner/director to shove it..got layed off the next day. Never regreted that day!! EVER!!
Long version: I was asked to implement storing of CC numbers (yes, the whole lot) & their matchig CVC numbers..plain text, no encription.. company didn't even fulfilled standards to store last four digits.. so I yelled at the 'big boss' that he is crazy and that I won't do it.. Next day, I got handed a letter that said they have to lay me off due to lack of work and that my position is redundant & no other workplace for me.. Never been happier in my life!!
I wanted to quit for some time, due to crazy stuff they asked me to implement & how!? & toxic personel. I was called Hitler (& am actually proud of this!!) cuz I was work oriented & didn't kiss mrs.Director's ass.. I wasn't slacking like the rest of them did, so of course, I was the bad guy..
Anyhow, fast forward 6 months, got the best job ever & am now here for 5yrs+.9
Me: Man this has been a killer week! Coding bootcamp has been better than I ever could have dreamed. Home life is good. Nothing could kill my good mood.
*opens up Facebook*
*Sees Microsoft is trying to pay billions of dollars to take control of Github*
*Starts cloning repos like crazy*14
Not sure if this qualifies for a rant or not, but it's free entertainment.
I promise it's good.
Get your snacks and buckle up. My cat said it's a solid 5/7, so that's something.
So, someone from my team (one of the higher ups, let's call him Mr.Z) got fired yesterday because he said the wrong thing to the wrong person (Let's call him Mr A) 3 months ago.
Apparently, he went over his boss's head (let's call him B) and asked for a promotion and said that 'B' isn't fit for his position and that he should have that job.
What he didn't count on was the fact that A and B are kinda tight (I think the fact that they are both from the same ivy league school also plays into this. I'm not gonna say which school, but it's one out of Harvard and Stanford) So, A got B's back and he told B that one of his minions is getting out of line... and he should clean his house.... and clean his house he did. Plotted and planned for 3 months and executed yesterday.
Z was kind of a douche but I feel really sorry for him though. He just bought a $1,000,000 house recently and now he's out of work. Poor guy.
I hope he finds something soon.
He tried to steal some of my work too. Lol.
(I did write about this in one of my earlier rants I think. About people taking credit behind closed doors)
And this was also used as one of the reasons to fire him among other things.
I knew that he would try to steal it but I didn't say anything because I didn't care.
Hell, I even sat him down and explained it to him line for line when he asked me how it worked. I knew it right then that he's gonna explain it to the board of his superiors like it was his own code. But I still made sure I explained it to him really well, so that he could replicate the explanation if needed.
I was playing it strategically. The way I saw it was, that piece of code didn't really matter to me much, because it couldn't be used to file a patent or something but if he can show it off as his own, he would make some of his superiors happy.
They're happy == he's happy.
And that makes my life a little easier because now he'd be willing to help me out with something in the future or maybe overlook some minor stuff if I ever make a mistake in my work...
It's always good to have something in your back pocket for a rainy day.
It's life...you never know when you're gonna need a favor.
All I gotta say is, Fucking office politics is crazy.
Don't gamble a hand when you don't know what your opponent is holding.
Z gambled and lost. Could have gone the other way, but the chances were very slim.7
So I broke up with someone and need to vent. She was a wonderful person, but the way it ended still pisses me off.
The reason for breaking up, was both wonderful and delirious. She claimed her mum told her there was someone dark in her life, and she had to cut off all connections from them.
She broke up with me, because she was worried and I quote: "I would taint her soul". I laughed and smiled throughout the breakup scene. She wept at the end. I really liked her... I even gave up smoking for her && I had mad withdrawals btw. Like wtf, of all the people she just knew I was the dark one (her boyfriend). That is just poetically fucked up. I literally felt like my life was a 90s videogame at that moment.
I'm good now though. Ranting is healthy. The upside is I barely coded while I was with her, now I code all the time. Morale of the story: 'People are crazy ' + '& Love is fucked'. Bye for now51
Being am IT guy inna fucking small & forgotten city.
This is my life. I don't know if it's a opportunity to be rich or just die crazy with my ideas burning my head.13
What I did is:
1. git pull --rebase
2. Forgot to build to check if everything is working after pulling new changes
3. git push
4. Now, I realized I forgot to implement a method of the recently changed interface.
It's a production code. Not a joke. And was my first push to prod and I messed it up.
Sad life. Fixing it. Senior Devs must be crazy for my silly mistake.8
I have a coworker who comments every line of code he writes and it doesn't matter how simple the code is and it drives me crazy when I have to look at it. A real life example:
// Gets the total length of the server name string
var total = serverName.length;6
Started off a developer 6 months back. I seem to have lost control of my life. I wake up at 8, be at work at 9am, get back home by 7 or 8pm, dinner, learn, work on my platform, sleep at 12am or 1am and the cycle continues.
I have no time for taking care of myself, no working out, no grooming, no family time, no time with friends, nothing naada! It scares me that I don't have that balance.
I always feel like I'm not good enough and I'm curious by nature, because of these, I sit my ass down and work / learn like crazy because I want to be good but I fear for my health, I'm 22, so I can live for now like this but this lifestyle will ruin my future, I've started getting back problems and shit, that was the wake up call!
How do you guys do it? work - life balance? I believe this information is vital for everyone starting out as a developer.10
The worst part of being a dev
My social dilemma
In a fast paced world where the average human spends at least 6 hours a day with technology, deriving basic entertainment, pleasures and engaging in various activities.
Here we are the developers that have to engage with technology for longer hours for a living , having to keep up with deadlines, immersing our minds in complicated algorithms and then the endless possibilities of entertainment from the machine in so few human hours a day , you wonder how you’d get off, and to top it up, I personally work from home.
And then the dilemma of overcoming different suggestions from various parties in taking a break off, a break off to what you later ask yourself, thus creating the shadow of doubt, splitting the fragile programmer’s mind , trying to solve this imaginary puzzle, “this bug of the mind”.
Then the challenge often arises in creating a balance, telling yourself, just catching up with people with this same technology takes a whole day, or then again quitting my Job, but from my little experience of life, nobody likes a poor visitor, this is actually worse than a “bug” and as I bask in this quagmire, “a little voice in my head keeps singing keep doing what you love doing”.
Like an infinite loop of crazy, spiralling back to these machines, trying the find and fix the balance of normalcy. Always remembered the cool years of college tho, with so much people around and then again that was college.
An then the thought arises, maybe something else might be worth doing, but after so much time spent in building your skills and the enormous joy of programming even typing without looking at the keyboard is a real pleasure, and yeah sure the days are short with the reality of a constant need to survive, remain sane, compete and make the best of life in such short time.
Then how do we know if we have fallen off the so-called “social track”, when we have only lived so little to really comprehend the most parts of life? with such constant stream of unanswered question, you’d realise you shouldn’t have burdened the mind creating such questions in the first place
But then again maybe it gets better, one of the above, the disturbed mind or the situation as whole and yes I try oh I try, I place calls, do some visiting, no relationship tho but with a good perspective in mind.
In this race of life, you sometimes ask yourself would you rather be in a different position, or maybe already put exactly where we belong. For this illusionary fight with self is a fight with reality as a whole and true bliss comes from actually letting go as time and people pass you by.
And my greatest achievement to date aside family and my work is getting into the 1000 club on devRant.2
A year ago I posted on here about me going to an interview for my first co-op position.
It's been a year now, and I was hired full time as an associate software engineer a few months ago, while still going to school. I'd say that interview a year ago worked out for me.2
Sorry for the long rant, sorry if I'm a mess writing, but I need to let this out somehow.
I'm currently working as a freelance developer for a company here. I was hired to work as a front-end developer, mostly React stuff.
Suddenly, the back end developers left the project because they were offered better opportunities, and this meant chaos, as we're currently migrating an old project and building an MVP of what we're going to offer.
I sensed more danger coming, so I was preparing to leave the boat too, as it felt like a LOT of stress would come if I stood here.
Well, just when I was preparing myself, CEO looks into my LinkedIn page and sees I worked as a back end developer before, and using PHP too, which is the language our project's built in.
He organizes a quick meeting and throws my name as a developer for our project, telling me that I could work on it, and everyone agreed.
Everyone, except me, because I didn't know he looked into it and had this "emergency" meeting (mostly WhatsApp message exchange).
The case is, now that they spread this news, my name is on it and I HAVE to work on our project acting as, somehow, a developer and makeshift CTO.
It feels like a fucking leash, like "now you do this or else...".
Under other circumstances, I'd be jumping and throwing fireworks in my room right now.
Although I did build the f*cking project alone (which is quite a feature for my resumé), it's a mammoth of a project, I'm borderline crazy AND there's still data to migrate from the old model to the new.
The problem is: the people who recorded that data (which includes adresses, locations, user information) did it like they wipe their asses, there's no standards, some important data are missing and I have to validate more than 6k addresses.
I just don't know what to do. I would hire people too, but I joined this because I needed the money, so I can't.
It's hard, I'm lost, it's crazy, I'm crazy.
Sometimes my brain just stops, and I can't do anything code-related. And it makes me mad, because I LOVE to code!
This piece of crap is taking away one of the things I love the most, with a piece of my sanity and health too.
How I wish I could just send'em all to hell.
The company may be small right now. But the higher ups, they're kinda "big", and that would make my life hell if I just throw the towel now.
I don't know nothing anymore.15
my first day with Linux.
1. downloaded the Ubuntu 16. 04 LTS and made bootable.
2. install it on my system.
3. after installing wifi is not working.
4. searched on internet with my phone and connected my PC with USB thetering.
5. now installed wifi driver.
6. now my Nvidia card is not working installed its driver too.
6.finally i look at my desktop and its looking really ancient and old.
7. installed gnome desktop and switch to it.
8. now gnome is not much functional so added some extensions like dash to dock, dynamic transparency.
9. now setup java and android studio.
10. after that android studio font is looking blurry. finally stackoverflow made my life easy and i fixed it.
now after all this my system is working crazy fast.. Android studio is opening in just 5-6 seconds.
really happy.. 😍 😍17
It's really hard trying to be a self taught developer. Not the work, but the constant lessons.
Today my boss was like you should do bachelors and then your job here is placed and stuff and now my family members were here talking to my parents about how I'm naive and should pursue bachelors.
I get it, they're caring but I chose this way. I took a year to think through my decision and the possibility that I might fail.
They're nice people. I like them and appreciate them caring about me but all of this preaching drives me crazy. I know I'll have a great life if I do bachelors. I have the passion and skills and can achieve stuff after graduation but that's not what I want.
I care more about my industry. I want to show self taught developers are devoted and passionate and can do stuff and not just snore off like most graduates that think they know so much but can't do shit.
No offense to people with degrees, if you got it that's good for you.
Honestly, a lot of times I feel like I should just go and use those 4 years and get a degree. But 4 years? I think I better spend that money on building companies. That experience would be much better.
Anyways my heart is getting heavy from all of this thinking. Need to rest.8
So I have been a fly on the "wall" for last couple of months and never signed up, but now here I am!
Rant is about a serious topic - gender gap in tech industry!!
Couple of months ago Stackoverflow announced developer survey results! I was shocked by demographics results! It was disappointing to see biggest gender gap in general tech industry!
I believe tech industry can be the first one to have equal pay for women!
However.... (bad part)
I was going through my twitter feeds and saw this! Many of you have seen this tweet too.
(ohh!fuck I cant attach multiple images here, I should have created Medium post, fuck it!)
"They" continue, quoting from the tweet.
1)"....bias in society is reflected in AI"
2) "However, I do think it is our responsibility as designers/developers/users to be aware of this bias and do our best to correct it."
I want to rant about 2nd one. Some of you may not like it including grammar naziz!
As a developer/programmer I take 2nd one personally! I am currently at denial phase though!
And I have an OCD so gonna make points here!
1) Seriously tell me please, how the fuck you can write gender bias algorithm which can pass a big crazy amount of test suite?
2) Google has done many things for last decade to overcome gender gap related issues. I have met some of the nicest people from Google, and this is really hard for me to believe that google AI or that team has anything to do with the results!
3) Someone suggests use "they" in google translated result, can you fucking imagine how wrong that would be??? If I am developer working on that algo or even in that team and I see this ticket in jira with highest priority where it says, "make all translated results gender neutral using only they" - I would fucking like to die and may be in my next life ask me to do that, when I am a toddler!
4) I am an advocate for equal pay, equal rights and equal opportunities for everyone to "minify" this gender gap in tech, but showing google translate results of a gender natural language to make a point is wrong, it is simply undermining the efforts of something really helpful thing.
5) Moving on to the core point - What can be done to lower down the gender gap? I have seen amazing women who can code/manage far far far better than what I ever could imagine, and they are at really good place and deserve to be there. Are they doing enough to inspire other women to join tech industry?
Collective efforts are very much required. And need to keep in consideration that tech industry is highly competitive roles are also changing rapidly.
6) Many big companies have women at higher positions(CEO, CFO,....) what are their efforts to bring more women in tech industry?
(Some of you may not like this, as this is implying that it isn't only men's job. )
7) Going slightly political here, everyday we see really disappointing news related to women and their rights and health, I strongly believe women don't have to ask for or even have to mention about "equal rights" about anything. Everyone is equal!!!
This is 2017 and still fucked up!
Thats all for today! Heading for breakfast!26
I have this urge to get better at coding and software architecture and design. But fuck me if I'm not lazy about it.
All these crazy good books and lectures and here I am, doing jackshit to improve. Can't even finish my own personal projects. Bah.
I know how I'm supposed to go about it, how to keep engaged in a cycle of personal betterment. I lack self-discipline to do it though... Tried meditation for a time, but haven't really stuck to it. Currently trying to follow stoics (Seneca, Marcus Aurelius and some others), but the mindset is not so easy to adopt, and the practical philosophies even harder.
Oh well. Life is hard. Blah-blah-blah. Thanks for reading. Just wanted to vent, really.8
Life and programming seem equivalent to me : a crazy run toward building out something from nothing, coping with unexpected bugs and senseless environments. The main difference, though, is that there is no stackoverflow for life4
short story: I'm probably the laziest human being on earth.
long story: Since a few months, i'm working on a project at work (setup installer for deployment) which drives me crazy. The requirements are anything but straightforward and the codebase is already a mess (new technology, fundamental changes again and again).
For that reason, I had a dream: A new, clean and separated framework, written in my spare time. I guess this would take only about 20-25 hours, because now I have the necessary knowledge. Yeah. Sounds great, BUT I HAD THIS DREAM LIKE A FUCKING MONTH AGO OR SO!!!! I'm so fucking lazy, that's embarrassing. In one month, I couldn't get up my ass for about 20 hours. Just embarrassing.
I've always got an excuse:
Angel me: "Hey, it's saturday. Let's code some lines."
Devil me: "Yes, but just watch one more episode of this cool new tv-series. I just wanna see, who that little cat-faced murderer is. There's still so many time left that weekend."
Result: Watched the whole season at a stretch -> saturday is gone.
Angel me: "Hey, it's sunday and you have nothing to do now, let's code some lines and make your life at work easier."
Devil me: "Yeah, for sure, LATER! Now it's time for the gym. Health is the most important thing in life."
Result: Went to gym; "quick" walk with a girl; Met some other friends; cooked; watched tv -> Now it's sunday evening 9:11 pm. Sunday is ALMOST gone.
Guess what i do now for the rest of the day?
Sometimes I fucking hate myself.2
<tl;dr>Remembered why I love programming so much, and so you should</tl;dr>
I went again in the coding zone, after a long time...
Yesterday, around 10 pm, I got some time to lose, and I decided to configure i3 on my linux partition. I was already using it for almost one year, but kept the manjaro default config to have something at least usable in the meantime. So I started to write down on paper which feature I wanted, then got to work, looking on ddg to find out how to accomplish some things (it was maybe the second time in my life I was touching i3 config files, didn't know anything about it), found interesting ideas, tweaked it this and there...
Before I knew it, it was 3:00 am, I decided to stop out of sleepiness.
Today, all I've wanted all day was to fine tune it again, some more. I really enjoyed it and wanted more of this feeling. Actually, when I had 1 hour for me today, I declared I was going to relax a bit, then started tweaking again. When my gf saw my screen, she was like "I thought you'd take some time for you ?", to which I answered honestly "I am, darling".
Of course, tweaking config files is no coding, but the feeling of writing your desires and having it appear, usable, in front of your eyes is common between the two.
What's sad is that I didn't felt like this for a really long time, because this year I only coded for school, trying to be on time on every fucking project we had to hand for crazy deadlines, and not one line for a personal project...
I've wanted to write my own website for some months now, but I think yesterday and today I got the kick I needed to start. I needed to remember what it's like to take pleasure for creating and doing what you're good at.
If there is a lesson to take from this, it's to never forget to take some time for you every now and then, and do everything to remember what you love to do, not what you have to do. Your sanity relies on this.
I felt I had to share this with you guys.1
That moment, when you meet someone who haven't written even a simple if-else statement in their life and want to work on Deep Learning algorithms using TensorFlow. World is filled with so many ML crazy peoe.2
Finished side project last month. It was hell of a ride, about 300-350 hours of programming and solving problems per month for over half a year, including my regular remote job.
Side project was 1 hour commute time from my house.
There were days where I was working over 16 hours per day.
During this roller coaster I also changed my diet to keto and lost about 12kg / 26 lbs.
Kept my regular remote job where I am the only backend developer.
Donated to eff.
Started listen to audiobooks and exercise to keep my mind clear and focused.
Finally I discovered devrant.
It was all crazy shit and I feel happy I did it because now 5 days after I finished this side project I started to think that my life is not so fucked up I thought it is. This gave me my confidence back.
Now it’s time to rest before some new crazy shit would hit my life.
This twitter thread got my thinking. Most of the code I’ve written in my professional life has been proprietary. My job also tends to run over the 9-5 band for various reasons depending on the current ongoing projects. When I get home I still have a house to run and a family to tend to. As such my GitHub has been mostly untouched since university some years ago. I’ve tried committing to a few oss projects but I just can’t find the time. However, it is an *expectation* in our industry that you have published projects and lots of public GitHub commits if you want to be recruited by another company. No other industry works this way and this is crazy and unfair4
I have seen a lot of people in my life ranting about CSS. But this is crazy! Is this woman some kinda level 999 CSS wizard to do this?
Yeah, handouts create lazy people I'm not impressed with
You want something in life, then why don't you go and get it?
Actions speak louder than words do, it's pretty quiet, isn't it?
Look at the world we live in, defined by comment sections
Surround yourself with people that challenge how you think
Not people that nod their head and act like they agree
Those people will cut you open just to watch you bleed
Always be yourself, not the person that you pretend to be, no!
These people gon' tell you that you will never make it
Then when you do, they gon' say they knew you were goin' places
That's just how it works, next thing you know you'll be overrated
Hearing people say they miss the "old you, " it's crazy, ain't it?
And perfect people don't exist, so don't pretend to be one
I don't need pats on the back from people for my achievements
When I die I wanna know that I lived for a reason
Anyone can take your life, but not what you believe in, no
Just remember this
Yeah, don't take opinions from people that won't listen to yours
If money's where you find happiness, you'll always be poor
If you don't like the job you have, then what do you do it for?
The cure to pain isn't something you buy at liquor stores, nah
The real you is not defined by the size of your office
The real you is who you are when ain't nobody watchin'
You spend your whole life worried about what's in your wallet
For what? That money won't show up in your coffin, woo!
Yeah, anger's a liar, he ain't got no respect
I fell in love with my pain and I slept with my regrets
Happiness saw it happen, maybe that's why she up and left
Joy called me a cheater, said she ain't coming back
I've always had a problem with relationships
But that's what happens when you see the world through a broken lens
Mistakes can make you grow, that doesn't mean you're friends
Who you are is up to you, don't leave it up to them, no
Just remember this
Yeah, they say you got into music, you signed up to be hated
That's kinda weird cause I don't remember signing my name up
Coming from people that give advice but never take none
I like my privacy, but, lately, I feel it's invaded
I heard that life's too short, don't let it pass you by
We waste a lot of time crying over wasted time
It's not about what people think, it's how you feel inside
My biggest failures in life are knowing I never tried, woo!
I look at the world from a different angle
People change, even Satan used to be an angel
Think twice before you're bitin' on the hand that made you
Don't believe what you believe just 'cause that's how they raised you
Think your own thoughts, don't let them do it for you
Say you want a drink, don't wait for people to pour it on you
Cut out the liars, stay close to the people you know are loyal
Grab your own glass and fill it, don't let your fear destroy you, woo!2
All this suffering in hope of a free US trip.
It was a horrible day today..
By afternoon, my eyes were stressed and my head was feeling like exploding and i had this rage against everything. I guess my BP was rising. I think this work life is taking a toll on my health.
I felt guilty doing this to myself.
As a cherry on top, on my 1 hr commute back to home, the only available seat in the bus was beside a drunk guy. I didn't give a fuck about that and choose to take that seat. He was blabbering, singing and falling off from the seat often. Everyone staring at me for daring enough to sit beside him, probably thinking I'm crazy. I'm just glad he didn't became violent, i would have lost my control otherwise.
I think I'm not made for working for other people's ideas.
But this job will decrease likelihood of my US visa application getting rejected.
I'm planning to resign from my 9 to night work life after coming back from this upcoming US trip.4
Okay, so yesterday was crazy. So crazy, in fact, that I'm not even typing this on my phone. I'm typing it on an LG G4.
So, I took an Uber out to a Sprint store I'd been told did repairs. My phone's vibrator was broken. So, basically I thought just like that R&M episode "20 minutes adventure in and out" - only to find out they'd need to wipe my goddamn phone, and then send it to Texas. I now have to wait 6 days for my phone lmfao.
So, in the meantime, they took an hour to get me this G4 which makes me miss all the finer things in life - I miss my USB-C and not having to give a damn about how I plug it in and I miss my fingerprint reader (I know, I'm a lazy fuck with first-world problems. I don't care to hear about how fucking stupid I am for either of those thoughts, STFU). Also the G4 is prone to hardware failures, so they said they weren't too happy about giving me this, but it's the only one with NFC.
So in the middle of setup, the Sprint store's power went out. FUUUUUUCK. The phone was pretty much at 5% battery and was being slow as hell, so you can just about imagine the irritation me and this guy had when the phone died in the middle of setup.
The next thing is an unrelated story, but I'm sure some of you older guys here will love this. I was at a place called Triangle Park last night. I go there for burgers, but they also have a bar. Sometimes I get sent to the bar and the bartender gets me my food. So last night I went to pick the food up from the bar for takeout.
The bartender must've had an accident and messed something up, so she told me to sit at the bar. I thought it was obvious I was only 19, so I barely sat. I'm literally not old enough to sit at the bar, even though when I was younger my dad and his friends used to let me sit with them because I had a history of saying stupid shit that made his friends laugh. Nonetheless, I sat with my ass hanging off the edge because I knew it was wrong :/
She comes back and asks what type of drink I want. I had to tell her that I was 19. I wasn't gonna sit here and lie because I'm pretty sure she could've lost her job for serving a minor. I exited and waited in the lobby.
But are we at the point where 19-year-olds look like 25-year-olds? I don't want to think about this because it means I'm getting older. That's a lot to take in. Later in the night it was still gnawing at my gut.
Yesterday was one hella day man.5
If you could choose between:
• Waiting for an original idea to do something innovative (and maybe never get it).
• Spending an enormous amount of time to recreate one of the first projects you've worked on (and loved) as a beginner, using new technologies and the knowledge gained over the years, knowing that it could be a good product but will probably not get the interest of public and will not sell well on the app stores.
• Working on a project that could work (or not) and become popular, but that doesn't really interest you.
What would you do?
Personal satisfaction or profit?
Of course I don't want to focus on profit, but I'm still a student and my free time is very short, and sometimes I work very hard (I tend to put social life, exams, health, etc. on the second place) on projects that nobody uses. My family and friends think I'm crazy, and sometimes me too.
It's something bad, isn't it?2
I need to vent or I may just turn crazy.
I hate myself, a lot. But first, let's go back to 3 years ago. 3 years ago is the beginning of the hell I'm currently living. I get in a (short)
long-distance relationship with a girl, and god, I loved her. She was a beautiful girl. At the time, I was (for me) a bad looking guy. So I was always in the fear of her living me, to the point that I shortly get really jealous and paranoid. And I have forgotten an important thing, she was really unstable and could have killed herself.
The paranoia and jealousy began to be a poison for me, and she destroyed me when I discovered that she had another boyfriend. But that was too late, one week later I was on a plane to see her during a convention. Worst weekend of my life.
We finally broke up, but I was broken.
Fast forward to now. I'm now a better-looking guy. But, I'm still really jealous and paranoid, and this is destroying me. I'm currently in love of my best friend. But we live in different countries, so it's pretty much impossible (She don't want a long distance relationship). She knows I love her, and we talk about that when I need to. But now, every time she goes outside (Like now), my FUCKING BRAIN is creating the worst scenario possible, and I will just fall on the ground crying because I can't hold myself. I know she is fine, she is with her boyfriend and his family at a party, but I just can't.
So now, I need to wake up for work in 5 hours, but I can't fall asleep. I'm just crying and listening to music, trying to calm down.
I fucking hate myself.
Sorry if my English isn't perfect, I'm still learning.6
Returning from a crazy interview, found these on my doorstep. And life is beautiful again.
!rant or at least not dev related
I work at a school. Sometimes we get some weird training and shit we have to attend to. This time it had to do with what to do in the event of an active shooter.
Because you know. The U.S IS full of angry white kids with guns that if fucked up enough will just take fire on people.
Well, as a military veteran. I feel pretty confident in knowing what to do when some asshole is trying to get his expert marksman badge on me. So i requested not to waste my valuable time on such bs. I was promptly denied and encouraged to attend the bs training.
The first dumbshit thing they tell you to do is to turn the lights off and hide(if you decide to not fight) for which I mentioned that it would not work.
You see. Our entire buildings have motion sensors on each room which would TURN the fucking lights on if you move........ and even though you can turn the switch on..some offices would still work through the motion sensor....exhibit A: my office.
Fuck this. Couldn't i just keep one of my guns with me?? It would just take about 2 shoots really....and I promise they would stay in.
This sucks man. I need to move to Canadia. I don't want my kids having to hear about "mandatory active shooter training"
That fucking bullshit should never be a norm.
10 bucks and a life says i have better aim than some crazy kid.10
TL;DR: Computers and I go way back, but I don't know how I ended up as a dev - and am still not certain that's what I want to do for the rest of my life.
Rewind to the early 80's. My friends at the time got the Comodore 64 one after the other. I never got one. Heck, we didn't even have a color TV back then. Only a 12/14" small B&W TV. It's easy to conclude that I spent a lot of time at my friends'.
Back then it mostly was about the games. And, living in the rural countryside, the only way to aquire games was to pirate them. Pirating was big. Cassette tape swapping and floppy disk swapping was a big deal, and gamers contacted eachother via classifieds sections in newspapers and magazines. It was crazy.
Anyways. The thing about pirated games back then is that they often got a cracktro, trainer, intro or whatever you want to call them - made by the people who pirated the game. And I found them awesome. Sinus scrollers, 3D text, cool SID-tunes and whatnot. I was hooked.
My best friend and I eventually got tired of just gaming. We found Shoot'Em-Up Construction Kit, which was an easy point-and-click way to create our first little game. We looked into BASIC a bit. And we found a book at the library about C64 programming. It contained source code to create your own assembler, so we started on that. I never completed it, but my friend did.
Fast forward through some epic failure using an Amstrad CPC, an old 486 and hello mid 90's. My first Pentium, my first modem and hello Internet! I instantly fell in love with the Internet and the web. I was still in school, and had planned to enter the creative advertising business. Little did I know about the impact the web would have on the world.
I coded web pages for fun for some years. My first job was as a multimedia designer, and I eventually had to learn Lingo (Macromedia Director, anyone?) And Actionscript.
Now I haven't touched Flash for about 7 years. My experience has evolved back to pure web development. I'm not sure if that's where I will be in the future. I've learned that I certainly don't know how to do everything I want to do - but I have aquired the mindset to identify the tasks and find solutions to the problem.
I never had any affiliation with the pirate scene or the demo scene. But I still get a little tingling whenever I see one of those sinus scrollers.
Ok so before i ask this, I feel I need remind everyone that it is the Lord's day and that Siri has already begun attempting to spread the gospel to developers this weekend. Not only that, but y'all are all one big happy linux family.
With that said...
Let's talk linux distros. I know ubuntu is for beginners, but honestly everything I read on it tells me that its exactly what I'm not looking for in a "new" dev. environment. I've been informed already that a hackintosh would be a lot more troublesome to set up, but the comparisons of ubuntu to macOs are so alike that I kinda feel like trying to commit the subtle Differences to memory would end up driving me crazy[er], and that in the long run if I wanted a mac os then I would be better off taking the time to do the hackintosh in the first place.
In any case, I don't want either, not for my first build. Rather I wanna try something small, maybe even a couple of something smalls, that may take a little more effort but I will be able to look back at them after they're built and be able to start attempting to decipher what's what.
So whats a good beginner distro for a not quite so beginner. I'm only looking to run strictly dev tools: nvim, ink, gimp, quantum maybe, and then some sort of lightweight audio program that I can make simple recordings and mixes on. The latter just being for hobby purposes. It'll need a simple gui, if for nothing else, something to look at while I consider building my own, but again I don't want a lot to look over and sort thru, just a few simple things that I can dig into the source maybe find out how their working. Also I tend to forget filenames and directories so navigation can be a pain still sometimes without something besides -ls to go by.
Additional ++'s would be the ability to program my multitouch trackpad along with my wacom pencil. Beyond that tho, think I'm open to trying whatever.
I guess the simplest way to put it is that it doesn't necessarily have to be running out of the box, rather I want it lightweight and easy to customize out of the box. As far as general browsing and day to day life, my macOs will still most likely suffice til I get a larger distro and desktop built, but I want to start small, not easy.
I've already put virtual box on here, and some of these i'm considering are less than a couple hundred mb in their zipped form so I can weigh a few options first hand, I just want to hear some opinions on them before I try because a couple of these I've never heard of til today. SliTaz & Puppy being two these. Also there's Zenwalk, vector, Salix and Sparky that I think I have heard of.
I brought these up to my cousin earlier and he clued in on that most were still Slackware (we've been back and forth a couple of times over the past month) and I'm pretty sure left the conversation a bit annoyed to say the least lol. But I honestly wonder if he doesn't think that I have just become obsessed with the name or something. He's been pushing me to ubuntu all along, but maybe he's just trying to avoid me bugging the shit out of him when I go to install it ~\_(",)_/~
But seriously, the whole adage "learn ubuntu you learn ubuntu, learn slack you learn linux" is kinda sticking with me and not only that but the more options you give me to mess with out of the box is jus the more options I'm going to take the time to fuck with, arguably a waste of time if I end up never actually using the option. Not only that but should I get used to a big linux ui and then switch to a smaller one for learning, I'm going to be looking for the stuff I was used to using in the other.29
I'm a full stack developer, I have been using windows all my life but I purchased a new laptop recently, it has only 4gigs of RAM and I will upgrade it in the future but that's gonna take a while but mean while its running windows and its a pain in the ass! Memory is always almost full, disk(HDD 5400rpm) usage is 100% when I don't expect it to be. Chrome and VSCode hogs my memory and the laptop lags like crazy because of that webstorm and pycharm are all out of the question. I'd like to switch to a Linux distro, dual boot it since my windows is a genuine copy. Which Linux distro would be the best for me?9
Just sat the shittiest exam of my life yesterday. It involved among other things: TDD with java (on paper), critiquing and rewriting gherkin scenarios, and diagnosing problems with agile teams based on a limited description. I was short for time at the end and chose not to answer some questions because it would tire my hand too much to attempt them, and it's time consuming af to edit stuff you wrote down.
Many other exams are switching to online tests, and this one really could have benefited from that given the sheer volume of crap I had to write down.
I'm basically hoping to God that I didn't fail this thing, but the lowest exam grade I've had so far is 70 so it would be crazy if I did. Still, fuck these people for writing such a difficult exam.
Ok, so for past 1 whole day I am trying to make vhost work on my brand new laptop, running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS... When I installed OS, I've set hard disk encryption, and on top of it - user home folder encryption. Don't ask me why I did both.
Setting up vhost is simple and straight forward - I did it hundreds, maybe thousands of times, on various Linux distros, server and desktop releases alike.
And of course, as it usually happens, opposed to all logic and reason - setting up virtual host on this machine did't work. No matter what I do - I get 403 (access not allowed).
All is correctly set - directory params in apache config, vhost paths, directory params within vhost, all the usual stuff.
I thought I was going crazy. I go back to several live servers I'm maintaining - exactly the same setup that doesn't work on my machine. Google it, SO-it, all I can see is exactly what I have been doing... I ended up checking char by char every single line, in disbelief that I cannot find what is the problem.
And then - I finally figured it out after loosing one whole day of my life on it:
I was trying to setup vhost to point to a folder inside my user's home folder - which is set to be encrypted.
Aaaaaand of course - even with all right permissions - Apache cannot read anything from it.
As soon as I tried any other folder outside my home folder - it worked.
I cannot believe that nobody encountered this issue before on Stackoverflow or wherever else.9