So, someone submitted a 'bug' to Mozilla.

As some of you may know, in the next year, the new mass surveillance law in the Netherlands is going into effect.

Another fun fact is that the dutch security agencies/government have their own CA (Certificate Authority) for SSL/TLS certificates.

The new law says that the AIVD (dutch NSA/GCHQ equivilant) is allowed to hack into systems through obtained certificates and also that they're allowed to INTERCEPT TRAFFIC THROUGH OBTAINED PRIVATE SSL/TLS KEYS.

So someone actually had the fucking balls to submit a fucking issue to Mozilla saying that the Dutch State certs shouldn't be accepted anymore when the new mass surveillance law gets into place.

This person deservers a fucking medal if you ask me.

So when I joined this community, I was bit embarrassed because I am a tester and everyone around was a dev.

But I was wrong. I was welcomed here with a warm heart. I got love beyond expectations.

In those early days, all I wanted was enough votes so that I could afford my favourite t-shirt and matching shoes in avatar builder.

Not only I got those, but some free sticker swag and soon enough the squishy ball.

I made friends and I openly brag in public that I have some awesome friends from around the globe.

An angry yet down to earth German ranter.

The Pink Goddess.

The script master Brit.

The sysadmin enganeer from Belgium.

The account deleter from Australia.

Some awesome Muricans.

The privacy guy from the Netherlands.

Sysadmin from Sweden.

French, Swiss, Japanese, Indonesian, Burmese, Swedish, South Koreans, Middle Eastern, Fillipino, and even some fellow crazy Indians as well.

I am fucking proud to call you all my friends.

Upvotes hardly matter to me. Interaction is what I am here for. And you guys make me feel at home even though I am tester.

Founded the Team Raven and Lol club. The random mention activity was also fun.

But never did I thought I would reach the 4th top ranter position. Beating the master in his own game? Lol.

What next? I look forward to meet you all in real life. Thank you David and Tim.

Thank you devRant 😊

Just watched a video where someone (in relation to the new mass surveillance law in the netherlands) asked people on the street if they had something to hide.

Everyone said no.

"Could you get your phone and show me around?"

Everyone said yes.

"May I take a look at your messages/pictures/browsing history?"

Suddenly 80 percent said no.

"But you said you had nothing to hide!"

"I'm going to take that back."

I just got a mail from a software company in Denmark that they wanted to hire, because they "analyzed my open source GitHub contributions" and they think I'd be a good Backend Engineer using Java.

What they don't seem to realise is that the only thing I use GitHub for is college projects and 2 Minecraft mods, that I'm only 17 years old and not really in a position to move from the Netherlands to Denmark...

Mother of god, as if the new mass surveillance law in the Netherlands wasn't bad enough, one of the politicians who likes the new law has come up with an even more redicilous idea.

an 'Internet Authority. To put it short, an authority which surveils the internet in real time and sees where all social media shit is coming from/going.

Meaning that it wouldn't just be 'targeted mass surveillance' sometimes but fulltime online monitoring.

This guy has lost his fucking mind.

I started in 2015 at my current job. The first contract was for a year, very normal in the Netherlands. Also, I had only 6 months of professional experience with programming.
I already knew that I would replace an older colleague who's going to retire and I would get some of his responsibilities.

One year later (6 months ago) I had an evaluation with my boss. He told me he was proud I learned everything so quick and offered me a permanent position and wanted me to take over one of the major products we sell. Even more, he wanted me to decide how to change the framework since it's over 20years old. (Multiple languages combined)

I am currently working on a new design and UX as well, which I presented last year. The love it.

I've never felt so appreciated and valued before.

I ranted about this guy before who thought he was a security expert while hardly knowing what the word is probably. Today I met him again at a party.

Holy fucking shit, this guy.

"we use the best servers of the netherlands"
"we use a separate server for each website and finetune them"
"we always put clusters under servers, that way we have a fallback mechanism"
"companies mostly use bv ssl certificates"
"you're on call for a week? I'm full-time on call. Why I'm drinking alcohol then? Because fuck the clients hahaha"

😥🔫

I've now got one or more vpn servers in the following countries:
England
France
Germany
Bulgaria
New Zealand (coming soon)
Singapore
Netherlands (coming soon)
Canada

Finally have my own worldwide 'network' of vpn servers 😊

My room fan broke today....

And it has been hot for a while now in The Netherlands, so every store I went to sold out.

So I made one myself :)

On a side note, my pc temperature has never been lower :')

In may this year, the new mass surveillance law in the Netherlands went into effect. Loads of people were against it with the arguments that everyone's privacy was not protected well enough, data gathered through dragnet surveillance might not be discarded quickly after the target data was filtered out and the dragnet surveillance wouldn't be that 'targeted'.

They were put into the 'paranoid' corner mostly and to assure enough support/votes, it was promised that:
- dragnet surveillance would be done as targeted as possible.
- target data would be filtered out soon and data of non-targets would be discarded automatically by systems designed for that (which would have to be out in place ASAP).
- data of non-targets would NOT be analyzed as that would be a major privacy breach.
- dragnet surveillance could only be done if enough proof would be delivered and if the urgency could justify the actions.

A month ago it was already revealed that there has been a relatively (in this context) high amount of cases where special measures (dragnet surveillance/non-target hacking to get to targets and so on) were used when/while there wasn't enough proof or the measures did not justify the urgency.
Privacy activists were anything but happy but this could be improved and the guarantees which were given to assure privacy of innocent people were in place according to the politicians... we'll see how this goes..

Today it was revealed that:
-there are no systems in place for automatic data discarding (data of innocent civilians) and there are hardly any protocols for how to handle not-needed or non-target data.
- in real life, the 'as targeted dragnet as possible' isn't really as targeted as possible. There aren't any/much checks in place to assure that the dragnets are aimed as targeted as possible.
- there isn't really any data filtering which filters out non-targers, mostly everything is analyzed.

Dear Dutch government and intelligence agency; not so kindly to fuck yourself.

Hardly any of the promised checks which made that this law could go through are actually in place (yet).

Fuck you.

Big stormish weather in the Netherlands today. I rely on public transportation for work and the trains are down 😩
Glad my parents live nearby my work!

With the wake of some rants shouting at Linuxers who express their opinion in a considered to be very not good way, I decided to make such a rant. Not to be annoying but because, although I get that fanboyism in that way isn't even good in MY opinion, I do think that one should be able to express their opinion.

But, If you'd like to express your opinion, I think you at least should do that with some good arguments. Not everyone might agree with those arguments but hey, that's the point of opinions sometimes :)

I don't hate windows/mac for being windows or mac. Nope.

I hate the systems for not giving the user freedom to do what they wish with the system but more importantly, for integrating their users in worlds biggest mass surveillance program AND on top of fucking that, not giving peoples the option to look at the source code aka at what's ACTUALLY going on in the system. Next to that, Windows 10's data collection is officially not legal in the netherlands so don't even try justifying their fucking data slurping.

Of course there's a chance that they don't contain any bad stuffs but since the Snowden revelations I don't trust those commercial companies anymore on their 'blue' eyes.

Yeah, I've ranted about this before, I know, felt like doing it again in combination with my reason above. I also know that I will probs receive hate for this but oh well, i'm used to that by now.

So yeah, windows and osx: go fuck yourself.

To all dutch people on here, the new surveillance law I ranted about a month or something ago has passed if my source is correct.

Passed as in, the government has voted in favor.

Time to start encrypting/vpn'ing/torring and securing your computers!

Feel free to use this rant's comment section as Q/A and tips section for this subject as well :)

So the country I live in is going to get a huge mass surveillance law. Currently we're trying to force a referendum because this is highly (privacy) intrusive. We can still sign them for a little bit and a friend of mine hadn't done that yet. His reasoning was that it I isn't binding anyways.

We've got this John Oliver equivilant in the Netherlands who did a piece about this.

I put it on for my friend saying that I just wanted him to watch it. If he wouldn't change his mind afterwards, I wouldn't pressure him or anything.

We watched it.

Afterwards he looked at me with eyes like 😵😧😷😲😮😫.

"they'll REALLY be able to do this shit!?!"
"where can I sign this fucking thing to get this referendum going?"

So I asked him why he suddenly was all for it.

"I'm not much of a privacy guy but this shit just crossed a fucking line".

He's going to sign it as fast as possible 😁

"yes, sir, we block ftp and ssh connections from outside the benelux (shortcut for: belgium/netherlands/luxembourg, didn't say this part but it's a very widely known term here)"

"if you allow connections from INSIDE the benelux, why can't I connect from Germany, eh?!?!"

💀😶

!rant

My respect for Dell just went up.

Dear student, 

During the christmas holidays, we have quite a few employees taking time off to spend it with their friends and families instead of sitting in front of a computer, staring at emails.

We hope that you, once you start employing people in your own future business, understand that happy employees are good and productive employees, and understand the value of a healthy work life balance.

That said, we will not be able to respond in a timely manner, so please expect a delay.

We wish you a happy holiday, and hope you enjoy the season break.

Eligible EMEA countries are : United Kingdom; Switzerland; Spain; Netherlands; Italy; Ireland; Germany; France; Belgium; Norway; Sweden; Denmark.

Kind regards,

The Dell Advantage team

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At one of the biggest venue's of the Netherlands. The Heineken musical hall.
Windows is starting....

Completely forgot that regional busses are down in a big part of the Netherlands today.

FUCKING FUCK.

Services/apps and their automatic general sayings. I fucking hate that.

'apping' is an abbreviation for either whatsapping someone or messaging them in general (in the Netherlands at least).
Sorry but I fucking hate WhatsApp and I'm not going to say that fucking app/apping word. But then in general it's confusing imo.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO TEXT ME, DON'T SAY YOU'RE GOING TO APP ME.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO SIGNAL ME, DON'T SAY YOU'RE GOING TO APP ME.

"but I meant that" - THEN FUCKING SAY IT.

I DON'T 'GOOGLE SOMETHING'. I FUCKING DUCKDUCKGO IT. NO, THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING SAME.

FUCKING HELL.

I just travelled roughly 10 years back in time. How? By crossing the border from the Netherlands to Germany. My mobile connection jumped from constant 4G to H / Edge / no connection at all, The wifi, where present is slow af. And I can't pay by card anymore as I'm used to. And most of all: The loading speed of DevRant is so slow with this data connection that I wanna rant about it itself, but I can't, since I don't have any goddamn connection >_<

So the tax authorities in the Netherlands have this slogan that roughly translates to:
"We can't make it fun, but we can make it easier."

I'm not sure how this is going to be easy for me. This arrived in the mail today.
Even worse this is a fuck up from them. They are saying our company did not do it's taxes but when we log in their online portal we can see that we did them. But they are saying that they don't see it in their system.

Who build that system?

Trying to stay calm when they are claiming I own them more taxes then my company has earned in a year.

I did not have enough sleep for this drama.

By the way how about we save some trees and don't send 30 letters on 1 day.

When you are from Bulgaria and work in the Netherlands. Something your colleagues should know xD

Having a call with recruiter (Netherlands) in English:

* he’s late 10mins
- ...
- Now I will ask you some questions, please answer shortly as possible, so it will be easier for me
- Okay
...
- what salary would you like to get in your new job?
- I am thinking about 3000eur
- you mean before taxes?
- no, I mean netto, I want to get that amount already after taxes.
- wow! That’s quite a lot
- well, average in the Netherlands
- definitely no. Where have you learnt that?
- just google
- I don’t believe you, for your age, with that experience for mid-level full- stack php developer - that can’t be true, especially if you don’t speak dutch...
...
- describe yourself in 3 words
- ...confident
- oh, I can see that you’re confident, because of how much salary you want
...
- so you are looking for a new job?
- *in my mind: no motherfucker, I am just having this conversation for no fucking reason...* yes
- ...
- so company I am working with, they working with very complex systems and there’s no much developers that fit their requirements - literally reads everything from job posting - you need to know php, symfony, laravel, have a good agile understanding, be able to work with complex systems...
...

Just to make it clear: I am 22, have 4 years exp, and working with php, javascript, symfony, laravel, reactjs... 36k/y seems ok to me. So either I am wrong and should leave Netherlands, because I can get same amount in my home country and also pay less for rent or this motherfucker is just super dumb.

With the new Dutch mass surveillance law comming soon, I am interested to know what you are doing with it?

Nothing?
VPN?
Something else?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't live in the Netherlands?

I was about to use the Duolingo but I think it triggered me to hard. 2 mistakes in a row.

1. I have Portuguese origins and they used the Brazilian flag

2. I was born in Luxemburg and they just used our flag for The Netherlands (I know they're pretty similar but cmooooon)

*looks for jobs in system administration*

For our client in $location we're looking for a Network and System Administrator ... to manage our local IT infrastructure (so far so good) ... that's Microsoft-based.

Fuck that company.

*looks further*

Requirements: deployment and maintenance of servers, backups and storage, updates, yada yada.. fine with me.
yOU wiLl mAiNtAiN WanBLowS sUrVaR sYsTeMs

Fuck that company too.

Does anyone here in Belgium even work with fucking Linux servers?! Or should I really relocate to the Netherlands to get something decent?!!

Monitor at the train station in Zwolle (the Netherlands) was showing this all day 😋

Okay dutchies and other people who'd like to join.

devRant meeting in The Hague. As far as I can see, Saturday is a good option for many people and for the people who'd like to do a weekend, they can find some sleeping accommodation in The Hague.
I'm personally more than willing to do two days!

Anyone any ideas for a good meeting place? Also one in case it'll rain which is quite likely in the Netherlands.

Please comment your ideas on this information!

We won a robotics competition and we went to the next competition in the Netherlands. I saw this while traveling and had to take a picture

It happened me a few years ago. I live in the Netherlands, but I am Hungarian. My new "friends" asked me to fix their laptop. I did it for free. It turns out, it was a huge mistake. In the next half a year I've solved several issues to them and to their family members (I don't get it, how they can ruin a well working hardware and software that fast, but it is another story). It takes a lot from my free time at the end. Then I had enough and ask some money to fix the next laptop. The price wasn't high, a bit more than a half of the repair shop's price. They tried to press me to do it for free, cos "you are our friend and you are hungarian too, we have to help each other out". I said no. It is too much. I've never seen them again...

A company called me for a job interview for my internship. As they saw my LinkedIn, they said I had a great skill set built up as I was studying Software Engineering and working aside as a freelancer.

After a short talk they mentioned my international business management (IBMS) minor that I have taken and criticized me that I took a wrong path of my career, told me to rethink my position of my studies and said they will not take me into consideration for the position.

That left me puzzled. Like what was the reason of that call, just to criticize my decisions?

Can't remember the company name that called me here in The Netherlands.

If programming languages were countries, which country would each language represent?

Disclaimer: its just a joke

Java: USA -- optimistic, powerful, likes to gloss over inconveniences.

C++: UK -- strong and exacting, but not so good at actually finishing things and tends to get overtaken by Java.

Python: The Netherlands. "Hey no problem, let'sh do it guysh!"

Ruby: France. Powerful, stylish and convinced of its own correctness, but somewhat ignored by everyone else.

Assembly language: India. Massive, deep, vitally important but full of problems.

Cobol: Russia. Once very powerful and written with managers in mind; but has ended up losing out.

SQL and PL/SQL: Germany. A solid, reliable workhorse of a language.

Javascript: Italy. Massively influential and loved by everyone, but breaks down easily.

Scala: Hungary. Technically pure and correct, but suffers from an unworkable obsession with grammar that will limit its future success.

C: Norway. Tough and dynamic, but not very exciting.

PHP: Brazil. A lot of beauty springs from it and it flaunts itself a lot, but it's secretly very conservative.

LISP: Iceland. Incredibly clever and well-organised, but icy and remote.

Perl: China. Able to do apparently almost anything, but rather inscrutable.

Swift: Japan. One minute it's nowhere, the next it's everywhere and your mobile phone relies on it.

C#: Switzerland. Beautiful and well thought-out, but expect to pay a lot if you want to get seriously involved.

R: Liechtenstein. Probably really amazing, especially if you're into big numbers, but no-one knows what it actually does.

Awk: North Korea. Stubbornly resists change, and its users appear to be unnaturally fond of it for reasons we can only speculate on.

Arrived after just a few days in the Netherlands! Thanks @dfox @trogus :)

Hey there devRanters!
In a rants comments I came to the idea (yet again) of doing a kind of devRant meetup in the Netherlands! Would any fellow dutchies be in for this and if yes, lets discuss some details in the comments!

Swag from my previous rant got delivered to the Netherlands in less than a week (more like 5 days). Thanks @dfox and @trogus

Thanks devRant for sending it all the way to The Netherlands

In the Netherlands you need to pay 60 cents copying levy for a USB stick..

Why, seriously.

My story why I truly despise Windows:
When I was young we had computer science classes at school. (Around 2001/2002)

Subjects given were how to work with microsoft word, excel and a little bit visual basic.

Me:
Teacher, i can’t do my homework, my computer runs red hat linux, office is not supported.
Teacher:
You need windows, everyone has it. If you don’t install windows you are no longer welcome in my classes.

(A week later)
Me:
Sir, I’ve recompiled open office and replaced all the names and pictures with that of microsoft office, Can I attend your classes now?

Teacher:
No

In the end, I couldn’t really install windows since I didn’t own a machine back then and I borrowed a machine from my dad. (I was only 11)

After this I received an one (the worst possible score in the Netherlands). After this I had the choice of either dropping computer science classes altogether or redo the entire year. So I picked a horrible art profile only to pick up programming classes a decade later and pass with excellent marks.

I don't know how recruitment goes outside of the Netherlands, but here they can be very very aggressive due to the scarcity of programmers.
One was even so blunt that he called the office I was working and asked to be connected to me with some bullshit story. Now you have to understand that this was a small company, so small that it was one open space. You can imagine how I felt when he was asking me questions and offering me work while the rest of the people could actually hear me. I got mad at the guy and refused.

What are your weirdest recruiter stories? Beside LinkedIn spam...

Tldr; its a long introduction

Hi Ranters,

I've been on this app for quite a while now. As a shy cat watching from a distance and reading all kinds of rants. Anywho I feel comfortable enough to crawl out of my shell and introduce myself. Since I feel you guys together made such a pleasant and safe community, I'm really happy to be a part of it!

Anyway I'm Sam, 24 year old, from the Netherlands. My favorite color is green. Mostly the green you can find in nature. The one that calms you down:). I'm a very introverted person but always very curious and eager to learn new things.

I started to program when I was 12. I did assembly and C++. Because I liked making cheats for online games. Later I learned about C#, Java and Python. Mostly used it for web stuff, scraping, services etc. But also chatbots (for Skype for example).

Currently I'm 2 years in as a data scientist, mostly working in Python.

But on the side as a hobby and with an ambition I have a basic understanding of full stack development.
Mostly Nodejs, express, mongo, and frontend, no frameworks.

(I will later ask you guys some more questions about that! I could really use some advice!)

Anyway enough about me! Tell a bit about yourselves! Happy to get to know you all a little better!

I have been in Netherlands for just two days and I am already in love with this country...
Too bad I'll leave in two weeks 😱😢

Thanks for the stickers :D
Smooth delivery even in the Netherlands :)
Here are the stickers in action.

yay! thank you from the Netherlands!

I'm thinking of buying a Samsung Galaxy S7 as a replacement to my Nexus 6P.. from what I can tell, it ticks all the boxes.. nice battery (3000mAh), 5GHz Wi-Fi, octacore CPU, kernel source being available, QHD display... However, it being sold at €350 - and that only in the Netherlands - does introduce quite some hurdles. For anyone who's owned this device, how long did you own this device and did any issues show up, especially hardware-related ones? Last time I owned a Samsung device was with a Galaxy S3 Mini, which was a delight to use. Other than that I don't really have any experience with it.

Another thing that piqued my curiosity - I still have 3 Raspberry Pi's unused, as well as one LCD display (but without touch). It got me thinking, the only things that I really use my phones for on the go is for calling, texting and listening to music via Bluetooth. Perhaps a Raspberry Pi or even an Arduino could take care of that? The smart devices that I'd consume and produce most content on are my tablet and my PC anyway.

Dear mom,
Good for you you have so many contacts. Lovely. But when you visit someone and they tell you they have a problem with WhatsApp - or anything on their device at all - DON'T YOU EVER PROMISE AGAIN THAT I WILL COME TO THEIR HOUSE TO FIX THEIR PROBLEMS. I already ate enough candy today. And if they were to give me money (rare, we're in the Netherlands) I still couldn't care less. If you're too stupid to fix the problems on your phone you probably shouldn't have any phone at all.

Look, if it's my grandma who's kindly asking me whether I'd sometime like to look at her tablet to fix it, or I just happen to visit her (once in a few months): sure, I'll try my best. But for a stranger I haven't heard about who just got here? NO. I don't know you so I honestly couldn't care less about your problems. Go ask your own grandchildren.

We have a saying in the Netherlands: "You have no, you can get yes."
We changed the saying in our team:
"You have yes, you will get no eventually."
Because even if stuff gets approved by 3 managers... in comes the 4th to unapprove and block everything...

!dev rant, but dev company rant (if that makes sense)

<sarcasm>
I love my company's HR, she is such a wonderful and caring woman.
</sarcasm>

<rant>
'Breng' (a public transit company in the Netherlands) was on strike today, so I couldn't go to work. No problem I thought, I'll just work from home. So I send a screenshot to the HR where you could see that every train was canceled.

A few moments later I get a message back saying that I should wait for the next train (although you could see on the screenshot that said train was also canceled)

Now I finally have a train to go to work... After sitting an hour in the cold... And I already see the smile on her face when I arrive at work...
</rant>

<prayer>
Please trains keep driving so I can go home tonight...
</prayer>

Niew avadaar! Hek is bioutiful

*tries to hide he isnt form the netherlands*

!rant !dev
I am now very much understanding why some of my colleagues fled the region (South of the Netherlands) during carnival season.
That being said, the knowledge of pop song lyrics of the guys a couple of rows up the aisle in my train is impressive. Their singing skills not so much. 🙄😌

Meanwhile in Beurs, NL

srv.sys

I thought I’ve moved to Netherlands 🇳🇱 , not Croatia 🇭🇷 🤒

Anyone from Netherlands or nearby building something awesome where i can help?

I will be digital nomad for the months of September and October in Netherlands and wish to join anyone there and would love to contribute my web development skills 😊

I just received this notification on my phone. Robeco is a large investment bank from The Netherlands. 🤦🏽‍♂️

There was a competition being run by a large bank in the Netherlands. The competition involved playing a simple game on Facebook to win prizes. After discovering that much of the game logic was client-sided, I used a combination of cheat engine to speed up the clock and auto mouse clicker to keep the games restarting. Turns out I was able to play several thousand games in a few minutes.

I am graduating in a few days for my MBO 4(pretty sure that's like community college/college in other countries) in The Netherlands and i'll be going to start working on getting my bachelor.

To prepare, i have devised a learning plan for in the summer.

Should I learn:

(C)++ and Python
(C)++ and NodeJS
(C)++ and C#
or
(C)++ and assembly

C and C++ are languages I want to learn in any case, but as for the others I am undecided.

Thanks

Well it's a bit long but worth reading, two crazy stories in one rant:

So there are 2 things to consider as being my first job. If entrepreneurship counts, when I was 16 my developer friend and I created a small local music magazine website. We had 2 editors and 12 writers, all music enthusiasts of more or less our age. We used a CMS to let them add the content. We used a non-profit organization mentorship and got us a mentor which already had his exit, and was close to his next one. The guy was purely a genius, he taught us all about business plans, advertising, SEO, no-pay model for the young journalists (we promised to give formal journalist certificates and salary when the site grows up)
We hired a designer, we hired a flash expert to make some advertising campaigns and started filling the site with content.

Due to our programming enthusiasm we added to the raw CMS some really cool automation: We scanned our country's radio charts each week using a cron job and the charts' RSS, made a bot to search the songs on youtube and posted the first search result as an embedded video using some reg-exps. This was one of the most fun coding times I've had. Doing these crazy stuff with none to little prior knowledge really proved me I can do anything with the power of will.

Then my partner travelled to work in an internship in the Netherlands and I was too lazy to continue it on my own and it closed, not so surprisingly for a 16 years old slacker boy.

Then the mentor offered my real first job. He had a huge forum (14GB of historical SQL) but it was dying, the CMS version was very old and he wanted me to upgrade it to the latest. It didn't seem hard at first, because there were very clear instructions in the CMS website on how to do that. However, the automation upgrade scripts didn't work well because the forum owners added some raw code (not MVC plugins but bad undocumented code) and some columns to the SQL tables. I didn't give up and decided to migrate between the versions without the scripts. I opened a new CMS and started learning by heart all of the database columns so I can make a script to migrate between the versions. The first tests ran forever because processing 14GB of data on a single home computer is not a task meant to be done. I didn't give up. I made an old forum and compared the table structures and code with my mentor's. I think I didn't exhaustively finish this solution, the task was too big on my shoulders and eventually I gave up. I still owe thanks for that mentor for teaching me how to bare with seemingly (and practically) impossible tasks, for learning not to fear from being a leader and an entrepreneur and also for paying me in time even though I didn't deliver anything 😂

People here in the Netherlands where unhappy with Facebook's data leak...
So they "organized" that they would delete their facebook yesterday evening at 20:00.
A lot of people on my list said they would delete their account.
In reality, only 3 of them deleted/deactivated their account :^)

And I have a feeling that those 3 will come back rather soon when they realize they get bored without :^)

thx devRant for the stickers.
Got to find a place to stick them on now.
gr. from The Netherlands

Programmers Bike

Oh boy the schools in the Netherlands have began again, the amount of people in the train is insane... (Also one of my biggest annoyances is) the way how people pile on top of the check-in checkout poles... They try to do it as fast as possible, but because it is an unstructured pile of garbage... It takes way too long...

Is it so hard to stand in a line and just keep your card STIL AND CORRECTLY INFRONT OF THE NFC READER!?

apparently it is because I see people slamming their wallets against it, moving it around wildly and keeping up the line being Angry why the reader can't detect their card... In their wallet, probably between multiple other NFC cards within a second (BECAUSE YOU KEEP MOVING IT FROM THE READER TO THE FUCKING SCREEN!!! WTF)

At first i was like lol Netherlands Root CA not trusted anymore, then i was like WTF Amazon-CA when the fuck did this happen?

Just got a job offer in a DevOps team, the cloud company is Netherlands based. But I'm worried about the Brexit because the day is a coincidence... and I'm in London.

I'm wondering if recruiters are just as irritating everywhere or that this is just the shitty situation we have in the Netherlands.

I was once called by an unknown number and heard a typical recruiter story. Since i never heard of or spoke to this person i kindly asked where he'd get my information from. Since mr, Recruiter didn't answer and just kept selling his great position i hung up.

He called back.

I picked up the phone again and he told me there were connection issues. I once again asked where he found my number. And again he just acted like he didnt hear me and sells his great position.

Hangs up and blocks the number. Go f(...) yourself damn recruiter!

Hi guys, I'm planing to move to the Netherlands(Amsterdam) by the middle/end of this year and I would like to ask for advices, recomendadtions or any info is welcome.

I'm 23 years old living in Spain since 12. Frontend Developer with 2 years experience in Angular, Node.

Also would like to know the salaries range for frontend Developer if someone knows anything.

Thanks a lot

I see everyone complaining here, what old and shitty languages their university are using. So, I want to tell my past experience with unis too.

First time I was studying (software engineering), after I have had finished high school. There was this teacher, he was like 60-70 years old. So, he gave us assignment for the semester - to create GUI application using VBE. Damn, that shit was old. I hate excel ever since... And yeah I quit that university at the end of the semester.

Second time, was after the year, this time I left my home country and went to the Netherlands. I was studying artificial intelligence. At the second semester, there was functional programming course. I was really excited about it, but you can’t fucking imagine how disappointed I was when it started. It was some next level shit. So university had created their own functional programming language in the 90s, the one that was used in this course. It’s called clean (google or ddg, it very serious shit), and syntax is very similar to haskell. But well, the language itself wasn’t so bad. What was bad, that compiler worked only on fucking windows, and I don’t even talk about documentation... And yeah, it had one man community - it was our teacher. In the end of the year I quit again, though there were other reasons (course felt more like law, than the IT)...

@adli89 happy birthday!!
(In the Netherlands it's 7am)

Shout out to the devRant community, thanks David and Tim for the stickers. They arrived in The Netherlands.

Coming back home to find out that my parents switched to optical fiber and can download with 50MB/s WiFi speeds makes me feel sad to go back to my 15MB/s campus speed. Even more when I go to Germany.

they arrived here in the Netherlands today, thanks for the stickers they will get good places

Being a Dutch developer & student I'd love to seek new challenges and participate in coding events and Hackathons. Seeing as Devrant has so many amazing developers from The Netherlands around, any suggestions where I could go and find information about such events?

So, I am working in this small company (9 employees - 2 developers me inclusive) in the Netherlands, already for 8 months. My responsibilities are mostly back-end development with PHP, but sometimes they ask me to do front-end apps too or even mobiles apps (with react js/native). And I have 4 years of experience. At the moment, I am responsible for 5 projects. In fact, if I quit, company is going to have a lot of problems, because no one can overtake my projects, they will need to hire someone else.

So, I get 1950euros/month, which is really low for developer with my skills in the NL (I agreed on this, because at the time I really needed the job and I am not a good negotiator), and I feel like the company is taking advantage of me. But from the other side, I like my colleagues, bosses and the projects I work with, they are awesome, comparing to my prior experience. I even get the freedom to experiment with new technologies.

So I am going to ask for a raise, but is there a limit for how much should I ask? I would like to get at least 2.5k, which is already 30% increase, but salary.com says I should get 4k. So, I wonder isnt it a little too much?

I never asked for a raise before, so I would really appreciate some advice.

So I've just moved to Amsterdam from London. What prepaid/pay as you go Sim card you recommend me to get? I don't call or text much, data is more important to me

I'm officially convinced that my computer is cursed by now:

I get a Oculus Touch Bundle. Connect it to the computer, both sensors through USB 2, HMD too. One of them on an extension cord, experimental 360 degree setup (and yes, I'm covering the lenses when not playing).
Works great for a couple weeks, then I start getting 8603 and 8609 errors (USB connection bad or too little bandwidth. Usually happens when you do something else on the same USB controller).
Trying all of the setups that comply with the setup manual, none works...

... Thinking "fuck it, can't get any worse now", I connect both sensors to the USB 3 ports on my board (A big thou shalt not according to the manual).

Works perfectly. No lag, no loss of tracking.

Well, I guess if something applies to 99.9% of all computers in the world, mine is among the 0.1%. I'm a living corner case, 🤣

Guess I'll move to the Netherlands and become a Ganja farmer.

I have a VPS for years by a local provider (the Netherlands). Just came to the conclusion that Digital Ocean have the exact same VPS (specs) for half the money. :'(

fuuuuuu

Hello DevRant,
I need your help
I'm currently studying Game design and development first year in The Netherlands and I love programming but I hate designing. I was thinking about changing the course to something like Ethical Hacking or Computer science. The reason why I want to do this is that they teach us openfl until second year and I feel like I learn nothing until now.
Do you think would be better to change the course or to stay but start programming in something else? And what programming language would you recommend?
P.s. I also want to apply for a part time job/summer school to gain experience but I had no luck at all.
P.s.s. You are the best community for me!
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Didn't know this but it turns out there is a cinema in the Netherlands called Vue 😂

My favorite item imported all the way from the Netherlands. best drink ever. love using my soda stream to turn it into a soda :)

The mass surveillance thingy in the Netherlands is not something I want to do with, so I'm thinking of moving my droplets to London as I heard Germany might also implement something similar. I have two DO droplets that are relatively easy to transfer but I'm open to suggestions, should I move them?

Alright, it's been a while since I expressed my thoughts/feelings but here is what I'm dealing with.

Ever since I was a kid I've played games and even ended up enjoying the testing of new beta games more than actually playing games. The first games I played were atomic bomberman and worms. I was 4 at the time and lived in Denmark. By the age of 6 I moved to The Netherlands and have dealt with 8 years of being bullied for a reason I do not know. So as you can imagine I've dealt with a serious depression for a while and have always felt out of place.

Later after a few failed attempts of following an education I got into development. This was after I wasn't accepted into an education of game design. The course I follow now describes itself as application development but all we're doing there is building websites and not learning a proper way to keep code clean.

In the second year of the three year course we had to follow our first internship. This was the first positive thing I've had with school in my entire life. I ended up working for a company that had a game which tested your skill, the game was used by recruiters for bigger companies to pre select the right people for interviews. I had a look at the code of the game and it was a mess, after a couple of meetings further I managed to get them far enough that I could start working on a complete rewrite of their game.

So far it's been a rough road to becoming a game dev but I most certainly hope to own a studio one day. Now I only need to manage until I've got there

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So we've been doing the final project for college which has 2 parts

1. preparation of a project
2. creating an application

The first part wasn't a problem, making UML diagrams(ERD, Class Diagram, Use case) and SCRUM related documents.

But BLOODY FUCKING HELL was the second part bad.

You get a premade preparation for the second part of the exams... it was the most disturbing thing ever! The ERD which you have to follow is entirely made out of varchars, terribly built for the system you're creating by the way.

We ended up being able to use our own preparation instead after going back and forth... but damn. A company makes these things and the government pays millions for it! What the fuck are they doing? Hiring third graders to play around with lines??

No wonder IT is looked down upon in the Netherlands.. the government is entirely at fault due to their terribly outdated exams, projects, etc.

I thought i had seen it all... but holy fucking shit

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Google T-rex says thanks all the way from the Netherlands!

Did a project in my first year of "vocational education"
(in the Netherlands there's different levels of studies)
For some big Corp.

They were amazed by what I had made (really just a simple website) and offered me an internship on the spot. Then they asked when I was finishing my bachelor's (hint: vocational education is one level below) and when I told them I was a first year student of that vocational education they basically told me they aren't allowed to hire anyone that doesn't have or isn't pursuing a bachelor or master degree...

That felt really bad, getting an actual offer based on my skills but be rejected for my level of education.

But it has made me want to prove them I can do it, and so, I am now in my first year of computer engineering.

Stickers arrived in the Netherlands!

Not really programming related other than it has to do with my work.

Why in God's name are the trains in the Netherlands so annoying, Autumn started what 4 days ago? And both the Friday and Monday I have had delays or just trains that refuse to drive... Probably because there is a single wet leaf of the railroad... Oh no! We wouldn't want to slip WITH A TRAIN

do you know the feeling, when it is friday and it is like nice hot weather 26°c. you kinda wished you could just zit outside and enjoy the view days of the summer that are not to hot or to cold (location: the netherlands).

this made me slack off today. only did my sprint planning for next monday and wrote some unit test and some software modification documents.

My biggest ambition tbh is just to be an employed webdev working in England or the Netherlands. Its something that feels both big and small at the same time

TLDR: need advice about CS degree, worth it or not?

Already for some time I have been thinking about getting back to studying and finally for once get that fucking bachelor degree.

I have tried to study already 2 times. Both had quit not even after single year of studies.
First time was CS in my origin country, quality was really bad, so I quit during first semester.
Second time I moved to the Netherlands to study AI. Liked it a lot, but it was quite too much for me, I wasn’t ready for commitment to learn all parts of brains, all neurological diseases and stuff like that. Quit during 2nd semester.

Also, I have been in industry for 4 years now, working as php web developer. I am 22. Have a well paid job.

I want to study CS again, with specialization of cyber security, but in NL (same uni I studied AI, so I expect good quality). Also, as I already know programming, and a lot of other cs stuff, I expect I will need invest less time, and so I can also work in some company part time or even full time.

So in my consideration following are pros and cons of my this decision:

Pros:
- I will be forced to learn basic cs stuff like memory management, how processes work in low level... And so I will be able to write better quality software.
- I will satisfy my parents wishes and also will be only one in my family with bachelor degree and I want my parents to be proud of me.
- I will meet like minded people, new friends, connections and will have higher probability to find a girlfriend.
- After getting degree, I will have possibility to work for government institutions, but I think this one should be in cons.
- No serving in military during study period (mandatory in my country for 9 months if you were called. till age 26 only)

Cons:
- minus 9k euros
- minus 3 years of my free, undisciplined life
- a lot of sleepless nights
- possibility of getting depressed and questioning the meaning of life (but working in industry has the same effect)

Well, can’t actually think of something else.

I would like to hear your opinions on this, especially of people who had positive study experience. Thanks.

!dev

Last week I ordered 3 items from one of the biggest Netherlands e-commerce shops bol.com. Guess what? I am still waiting for them.
One was delivered in time.
Other one, I got an email saying it was delivered, but I haven’t fucking got it.
Third one was supposed to be delivered last monday, and I even fucking paid additionally so they deliver it in the evening, when I am home after work. Well, they say it’s in sorting center, for one week already and nothing changes.

Just a moments ago I contacted them, they told me it will take 4 fucking days to investigate the issues. Are you fucking kidding me? I must wait one more week? It would take fucking less time package to be delivered from fucking China.

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To start of I'm a student in the Netherlands, I have just finished finished a support management study and I'm currently starting with a IT Management study on MBO 4 lvl.

At the moment I'm in conflict scout doing the IT Management study or doing a application development study as I just don't know what to do. I kind of want do development as I do it in my free time and I like it but I also want to do data center engineering as I also like to work with the hardware.

Should I take a month break of my study and try to get in contact with company's to work there to finalize my decision or should I just drop in the towel and do this study without knowing if I'm going to like it in the end.

And if you work at a company in the Netherlands do you think i can do some orientation internship at your company or do you guys know some places to look at.
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When a company makes their employees sign a non-competition clause and cannot hire a good developer because his company made him sign a non-competition clause either (Netherlands).

Any one here in the Netherlands that considers to start freelancing? I'm asking this because I'm a freelancer myself and joined a cooperation. This allows me to focus 100% on what I love doing. The cooperation does everything else for me: legal, sales, finance, trainings, events etc. etc.
In fact, the only thing that is left for me to do is my income taxes once a year but even that can be arranged!

We are always looking for highly skilled people to join us. Many areas: development, agile, testing, fintech etc.

If you want to start freelancing but have any doubts in taking that step feel free to contact me. I can help you out!!

!rant but more of a question to all you devs out there in the netherlands.

Anyone of you ever considered freelancing but didn't take the step for some reason? Let me know because I can help you!!!

So my government is proposing a new National ID scheme. This will be used to identify s citizen as well as keep track of property, taxes etc.

Parliament just started the debate on how it would work today. It’s set to be implemented by December 2019. My government tends not think things through so as to prevent s disaster like what’s happening in the Netherlands as per @linuxxx musings, I’m trying to gather insight from the industry to compose a document of considerations then getting a law firm to draft the laws it would need to compliment it

Hi Hi fellow devs and sysadmins hiding in the dark,

In august of next year I need to do my final internship for my IT Management Study in The Netherlands. My study level is between the US Community College and Associate Degree.

As you can see from the tags I'm looking for a International internship as I'm looking for experience and a challenge but its annoying and pretty hard to find something on the internet due to all of the places that "help you find a place" that ask 4.5 EUR.

So I wanted to ask you guys for help, I'm looking as you can guess for a IT Management internship and I have a slight preference to Asia(With very big preference to Japan) due to interest in the culture.

If you guys know of any places in your company or other places I would love to hear and if you have tips please share them.

Best regard,
Marcel aka inpothet

So I've gotten my first real assignment. I'm a second year media design student in the Netherlands. My job is to work out a design I've made for a platform into some front-end. The website just has to function as a product to show other people to get an idea of how it will look. It has to be responsive and has like 3 pages: Frontpage where all kinds of courses are displayed, the course page itself and a page with information about the site.

Long story short: they asked me how much that'll cost them. And I have no clue what I should answer. I think I can make this pretty quick so hourly pay would not be beneficial for me I think. What is the devrant opinion or what are your experiences with first jobs

Anyone living in France, Netherlands or Germany?
Could you guys suggest me any companies for a placement/internship?
I've been struggling quite a bit with finding them outside of the UK.
😭😭

Is it very common for Developers are in such a high demand? Or is that just in the Netherlands?