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It happened.
I wrote "you're missing a tab in your python code" as an answer on StackOverflow.
I was downvoted AND told that I wasn't correct: it was missing 4 spaces and not a tab, according to the python guidelines.
Now, I haven't read them, but my Richard Hendrix fucking intensifies.
Fuck spaces. And if python guidelines talk about spaces, fuck python guidelines too!33 -
Friend: so what is this app I always see you using on your phone?
Me: devRant, it's for developers! it gives us the chance to share rants!
Friend: Wow awesome!!! so what do you guys discuss, interesting stuff huh?
Me: Spaces.... spaces vs tabs.25 -
Spaces Vs Tabs - A real world case.
So one of the menial tasks I was given here was to take a pretty mock and turn it into an HTML email template. Needless to say, I hate emails and HTML.
After many weeks of trial and error, rejection and tweaks, we're doing our final tests when someone noticed that Google's clients are chopping off the footer and saying "View Full Email".
A few searches yield that Google has a 102KB cut off for email size. We did some checks and found that we were at 104KB. I immediately thought it was my CSS inliner being a little too verbose, but as I went in to edit things, I noticed that the file was intended with spaces!
Now I'm a fan of Silicon Valley, and I recalled an episode from this past season where Richard mentioned something about saving file size by using tabs. I had never really considered that point.
So I went back into VSCode and told it to convert all of the individual templates that make up this giant email to indent with tabs...
The file size dropped from 104kb to 82kb.
I wasn't very polarized on the Tabs vs Spaces debate, but this here has given me a nice real world example as to why tabs rule.
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Dear codebeautify.org,
Go kill yourself.
No one likes you. Go die.
Love,
poster983
P.S. I'm serious.
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Thursday
PM: Hey why is A delayed? It should be top priority.
me: I just completed B, and C which were also top priority but got scheduled earlier, so I thought they..
PM: Agh, yes. But can you then finish A by the end of week? it would be very important!
me: No, I unfortunately don't think I'd have enough time by the end of wee..
PM: Why? This should be *the* top priority task. You should not start other tickets before A is done.
me: Exactly. But I *just* started. And. I. don't. have. enough. free. hours. left. this. week.
PM: But why?!
me: So just on Friday I have these 5 meetings here..
*shows calendar*
PM: Ok... OK! Then don't attend those before you are done. This should be more important.
me: Ugh, oh-key...are you sure?
PM: Yea, just let who invited you know that you can't attend and feel free to cc me in, I'll explain A is most important atm.
me: Ok, thanks, but that won't be necessary.
PM: What? Why?
me: You invited me to the Friday meetings.
Obviously I had to attend all 5 meetings today and A is pushed back to next week. :)10 -
My interviews to hire a Junior Dev will begin this week. Here's how its gonna go down.
Me: Star Trek or Star Wars?
My Supervisor: WTF? How is that relevant?
Human Resources: Let's see what he says.
Applicant: Battlestar Galactica
Me: Nice. I can deal with that.
Me: Tabs or spaces when indenting your code?
Supervisor: ... ?
Human Resources : ...
Applicant: Spaces.
Me: GTFO you imbecile! Next!27 -
Really annoyed by the endless tabs vs spaces discussion.
From now on, I use 4 tabs as indentation.18 -
Just had a massive clear out of useless tabs i had open. its been so long since I've seen blank space in my tab bar :')
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"Tabs create smaller file sizes. I run a compression company, trust me, I've devoted my life to minimalizing file sizes."
- Richard Hendricks10 -
Hello fellow ranters,
I created a poll to find out the distribution of used programming languages among us:
https://goo.gl/forms/...
I am curious, because obviously PHP is not very admired, and probably JS is the most used language around here. Lets see!
There is no information collected beside your answers. It would be awesome if you take this survey kind of seriously and do not add toooo many childish options ;)
You should have an insight into the answers after you participated. Maybe I will post some results after some time.26 -
Hey man can you fix my tv, computer, toaster, phone, or hack this phone i found, can you hack me a wifi, can you make me a website/app i have a really good idea. (For free of course)
Hey man you only need a good idea for an app then become rich.
(Insert countless of other retarded requests here)
Someone kill me6 -
IE can go fuck itself.
Today, the reason the some JS broke is because it couldn't handle tabs. Works fine in any other browser.
Replace all tabs with spaces and bam, everything works again.
😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡7 -
And there I was thinking about being an Intern here...
NO FIGHTING OVER TABS AND SPACES IN THE COMMENTS PLEASE
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Colleague: Oh i've noticed your PR uses tabs instead of spaces, we use spaces, can you change yours please?
Me: ..... can you leave the building immediately, for your own safety22 -
Best strategy for getting unstuck for me is downloading more RAM so that I can open more chrome tabs3
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!rant
If you haven't checked it out yet, all devs need Devdocs.io + Station
Hands down the most useful resources I've ever come across.
This one site and tool saves me so many chrome tabs it's worth its weight in gold.
Combined with Station (getstation.com) I've cut my RAM usage down by 1/3 overall.
When you have PS CC2018 and Visual Studio 2017 running on a netbook it's helpful to squeeze every little bit.4 -
Manager: I'm so sorry to say but your collegue A has passed away yesterday afternoon. There will obviously be flowers etc and we'll try to support her family as much as we can..
Me: Oh, no. My deepest condolences. (I'm always bad at saying much in situations like this, but)
B: My gosh! So does this mean A's family also caught it??!? (Corona)
Manager: She died in a car accident.
...
Also how unfortunate. Due to the lockdown, a ton of the people use the roads as a racing track around here...12 -
When you open 100 tabs in Firefox (mobile). Not as cool as the chrome gimmick though (which replaces it with a :D smiley)
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Fuck our new project manager.
Literally all she does in her time is schedule meetings for others and send us emails stating that X needs to be done by date or why are we delayed with Y. Then she even manages to completely screw us with the meetings she schedules.
Today I woke up to seeing a beautiful gapless column of colorful rectangles in my dairy.... for today. And last time I saw this Monday it only had 2.5 hours of meetings!!
Now a lot of us from our team had the Friday afternoon off so it may be that she did this beautiful piece of artwork during that time, in which case she could somewhat rightfully say that we should have taken a look at it. But we actually have a convention to only schedule planning meetings for Mondays which these fucking aren't and even if she hadn't known this, who the fuck schedules a ton of meetings to Monday?! from a Friday afternoon?!?!
By the way the new pretty pink and orange meetings I have today are about actually important topics in between which I would normally appreciate to grab a tea or at least use the fucking restroom. Officially I only have a 45 minute lunch break all day.
Oh and naturally she sets up the meetings as organiser so that we can only suggest her new times and can't change it on our own.
But naturally PM lady never actually attends the meetings because she wouldn't understand shit. So when my fav female colleague, Sammy and I joined our 11am meeting, the first thing Sammy said - well after I greeted her by "wtf" - is to just leave the call on while we grab brunch.
So here I am sitting in the close by park with my brunch and thought I could use the now extended lunch break time efficiently by ranting my ass of and asking you guys why the fuck such people like our PM get paid.5 -
What is considered best practice for code indentation? When I'm working with HTML and Javascript my rule of thumb is 2 spaces for indentation, and with Java and Python it's 4 spaces.
Also I'm trying to break my bad habit of mixing tabs and spaces. It's messing with the laws of physics.
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Oh.
I just closed 44 tabs in browser.
Just 36 of them left.
It is so unnatural, really.
I feel very, very weird, I will be in shock for next week or two, until I will open another 40 or 50 tabs, and everything will return to normal ;)4 -
I'm just C# boy, born and raised in a .Net world ... Today I started some stuff with JavaScript, downloaded the JavaScript standard extension for using in Vs code... It made me do things...it made indent each new line by 2 spaces! Not 4 or a tab but 2! And then what really took the fucking biscuit, it said I couldn't end my statements with semi colons! I need a strong cup of tea and a sit after that shit. How is that at all useful to anyone!? It just made it make less sense!!!!10
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Not usually a person to rant about spacing and conventions but this is great.
4 devs, all using IntelliJ. Now IntelliJ auto-changes tabs to spaces which is nice, and GitHub doesn’t really care as long as the spacing is consistent. Now here is the fun part: 2 devs have 4 spaces per tab, 1 has 3 spaces, 1 has 5 spaces.
GitHub merge conflicts everyWHERE.
And yes it isn’t the old 2 vs 4 spaces. It’s 3 vs 4 vs 5 somehow6 -
Hi fellow code indenters,
I am a tab indenter myself because each dev on the same project can decide how much the indentation is. Some prefer 4, some 2, some prefer both depending on language.
Now I already asked a few space indenters here why spaces. Because I never heard a good argument for using spaces instead of tabs. Each time I asked I didn't get an answer.
So this time once again: why would you use spaces over tabs for indentation?
I want to make a good decision and for that I need arguments for both.40 -
Holy shit, can't wait till windows will actually have native tabbed windows, because clover hasn't been updated in a while.
Source: https://youtube.com/watch/...
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Worst dev experience was when I was asked to "take a look at" a propriatery Windows app built by a now non-existent team at the company.
The code base resembled the quality of legacy code where about every hour I felt like I needed to vomit. But that wasn't even the worst part for me.
This was the first time I had to develop on Windows and was sent a separate dedicated laptop for this. Now I started to have a bad feeling about this because as far as I had known every single dev at the company used company Macs for development (including me for other projects). It turned out the Windows laptop was indeed configured for a non-dev team :)
Having liased with IT admins for a day I finally got my environment set up and hit install on the dependencies and in 10 minutes it got to less than 10%. The laptop was pretty powerful so I couldn't belive wtf was going on, fans were ramping. Checked task manager and the company Anti-Malware was hogging the whole CPU.
I was so mad that I managed to get the IT admins to completely disable it and then it was only the pain of working with shitty code on Windows which would have been more than enough from the start. Thankfully it only lasted a week. -
Spent bloody ages trying to figure out why my Modal wasn't working. There was a space in the id name :/1
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My friend is a 1st time programmer. When we learned about tabs vs spaces in our mandatory beginners c++ class, the friend said "what, you can use spaces?" and I said "yes, of course, like this!" and demonstrated it. The friends reply, without knowing about the controversy, made my day:
*silence*
"well, thats dumb"3 -
...and this photo from our latest conference, shows our developers having an interesting debate about tabs vs spaces.
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Chrome (Chromium based browser) / Firefox (and variants) / IE (fuck it) tabs challenge
Me : 148 tabs
Beat me!
How to participate:
1. Post the screenshot of your tabs.
2. Count them.
3. Tell your browser.
Things to consider:
- Chrome (Chromium based browser) / Firefox (and variants) / IE (fuck it) should not lag (let's be honest)
- Max 8GB RAM (or whatever)
- Each page should have SOMETHING
- No mobile browsers, only desktop (linux welcome)
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cozyplanes: 148 tabs / Vivaldi (Chromium)
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in C I use {} for ifs even when they have a single line. for some reason, my C proffesor hated this. For him, this is the equivalent of Tabs vs Spaces.15
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interview today
me: and can you tell me a little bit more about your development process? e.g. an example dev cycle from reqs to testing and review...?
senior dev interviewing me:
*gives frustrated/annoyed "why tf are you asking these?" look*
So, uh, we don't really use testing for these projects cuz it would make it harder to refactor later.
(and responded nothing else on the topic)
I left shortly after that.9 -
Dear intern, if you really really have the urge to use fucking spaces for indentation because it let's you feel like being some Google hipster, then PLEASE AT LEAST REMOVE THE SPARE ONES WHEN YOU FUCKING COPY PASTE CODEBLOCKS!!!1!!1111!
I'm perfectly OK if people wanna use spaces if they use it in an OCD-proof manner.
Nah, let's be honest: Spaces are a filthy way to indent stuff. Tabs are in a lot ways superior and if an editor can't render tabs correctly, the editor is a piece of worm puke.2 -
So I did not notice that my google chrome had another window and I accidentally closed the 2 chrome windows in the wrong order. Now my 1st chrome window tabs are all gone. Stupid me 😅11
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If there was one thing (and one thing only) that I wish was unanimous amongst programmers (and that we all agreed on) is that a tab is 4 spaces.4
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Reading a Ray Wenderlich book to try give RxSwift a go. Book is well written and going well. But I’m grinding my teeth at the fact all the code samples use 2 space indentation. Despite the fact apples standard is 4 ... and you know tabs would let us decide.
I know it’s a small thing, but it’s really pissing me off3 -
Weather Report: Thunderstorms and heavy downpour
Stuck at office wondering whether I really hate tab more than spaces that it wore out OR is it that I use it way too much.
PS: Currently fixing the tab button
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Look, I don't really mind much whether you use tabs or spaces. But for FUCK'S sake, for the LOVE OF FUCK:
IF YOU USE TABS, DON'T TRY TO LINE UP PARTS OF YOUR CODE WITH SOMETHING ON THE LINE ABOVE BECAUSE IT WILL GO TO SHIT WHEN SOMEONE ELSE HAS A DIFFERENT TAB WIDTH SETTING.
YOU DRIBBLING FUCKPUPPET.3 -
So I've opened myself to new software engineering positions and was recommended one where the first *benefit* stated:
- High engagement opportunities across our global client base
Am I the only one for whom this is a gigantic red flag and con rather than a benefit? wtf4 -
So I'm reading up on the HomeAssistant documentation to prepare for submitting to their repo. I was really excited to find such a nice repo to contribute to, but i suddenly had to reconsider when i found this:
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Ok, I am actually losing my mind at this bad excuse of a work place.
This guy, that I had only briefly talked to in email twice before, never met or even had a video chat, opened a ticket like this:
"Hi Alt-Tab,
I hope you enjoyed the end of last week, the weekend, and the beginning of this one! All well here. I ventured to [random place in London] for the first time on Saturday – liked it."
Now. I already can't fucking stand when colleagues that are not at all close start emails with "how was your weekend?" shit because then I have to waste another minute addressing that. But this guy took it to such another level that I literally had to read his email 3 times to believe what I just witnessed.
And of course he then went on and described the issue as folows:
"Just a quick note about the issue I have - could you let me know why the calendars are not syncing?"
Maybe if you fucking spent half of the energy of you writing a polite bullshit "hello" and instead used that to actually describe the issue I could help.
Fuck off.23 -
Years ago, one of my friends in college was taking an intro to CS class. He asked me for help on one of his assignments. It was a simple Python program, but it wasn't running as expected. I go in figuring it will be easy to fix. But everything looks exactly right. An hour later I'm tearing my hair out! It isn't even entering the function although it's clearly called. I'm beginning to feel very self conscious, as a CS major who can't even debug a 15 line program for a friend.
Then it hit me. This is Python. I used an editor macro to convert all indentation to tabs, lined them up, and it ran on the first try. Turns out, he had somehow ended up with a mixture of tabs and spaces.
I'm not sure what the takeaway is, but I think he got a surprisingly honest introduction to the life of a developer...2 -
Found this today! For someone like me who has 30+ tabs open on an average, this is an absolute gem!
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That moment you see an argument between two developers about tabs vs spaces tjat was suppose to be a discussion about the series sillicon valley1
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2017 and yet, here we are, still ripping up our clothes over tabs and spaces.
My bad if I missed something about this debate but I really don't get it.7 -
"Easily add this widget anywhere that accepts Html."
Oh, nice.
*click*
"<script type='text/javascript' src='https://company.com/widgets/...'></script>
<script type='text/javascript' src='https://analytics.com/trackers/...'></script>
<script type='text/javascript'> companyWidget3.initialize('Hello world', 'id12345', '#123456'); companyWidget3.config("https://company.com/resources/..."); companyWidget3.fetchResources(); companyWidget3.logUsage("ref=12345", annoyingTracker); annoyingTracker.notify("myass");
// other bs
companyWidget3.draw();
</script>"
Nice fucking html, fml. -
No man's sky: I can imagine the devs fighting management and marketing letting them know that what they were selling was bullshit and they be like 0 fucks given.2
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Hey Guys
A few Questions I have to decide soon, for tools I never used:
1- How do you guys keep information about several accounts and stuff? Must have some protection to not be easily accessible (started using Google Notepad and Evernote until I find better... don't really like them)
2- Firefox: Is there a way to store groups of open tabs?
Like I have one windows with 6 or 7 tabs for movies (youtube and such), other for general stuff with 5 or 6 tabs, other with Arduino shit, and I'm going to pick Vue soon and another language to build native apps and that will be a lot more tabs, It would be nice to close them all and open them all at will or something.
3 - What Is your favorite browser? I'm using Firefox, but there are so many new good ones... Like Brave browser with Tor incorporated, or Puffin for Android (which uses a VPN with their own server by default)
4 - For windows users, do you have any tools to help with workflow installed? which ones you use and why?
5 - What I'm using: Google Notepad + Evernote to save stuff, Windows 10 and Firefox, (Linux Mint in VM) and I just keep my shortcuts in folders... I don't use the Windows taskbar for a long while since its so full of shit.
6 - How do you do your backups? Right now I'm just putting my code and important stuff in Dropbox.
I'm an old school programmer... Stuck in 1990's Ideas and there is so muchhhh shit these days that I would prefer your opinions then just googling.
Guess that's enough for this post. Thank you guys29 -
That moment when you have 2 Chrome windows open, each having 100+ tabs. Walk through each of the tabs to close off as many as possible and make some room but you cannot, as all of them are required or will be required soon enough.27
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I never understood the ‚space vs tabs‘ war ...
Tabs can do everything that spaces can plus more:
* look the same as spaces, but its width is configurable (at least in a decent editor)
* the safe space (1 byte vs 3 or 4)
* you can decrease the intendation leven with one bsckspace keypress in every(!) editor.
So the winner can only be tabs? Why would I even limit myself with spaces?
I dont wanna start a flame war, just curious what you guys (especially the spaces lovers) think about it15 -
People who have more 5 tabs in their browser and more than 5 windows open on a regular basis scare me
Like what the fuck, clean your workspace dude23 -
I hate having to deal with our IT service desk. Every time it takes enormous energy to get to the right people and make them understand that no, you are not an idiot, but you actually have a technical issue.
Sure thing they do have a few competent nice folks there too I've gotten to know over time and they indeed have to deal with a ton of dumb non-tech savvy idiots on a daily basis. However, if my job title mentions "software" and "engineer" they should at least assume I'm an idiot in tech. Or something. Every single time I need to open a ticket, even for the simplest "add x to env y", I need to quadruple check that the subject line is moron-friendly because otherwise they would take every chance to respond "nah we can't do that", "that's not us", or "sry that's not allowed". And then I would need to respond, "yes you do:) your slightly more competent colleague just did this for us 2 weeks ago".
Now you might imagine this is on even another level when the problem is complex.
One of our internal apps has been failing because one of the internal APIs managed by a service desk team responds a 500 status code randomly but only when called with a specific internal account managed by another service desk team.
(when I say "managed by", that doesn't mean they maintain it, it just mean they are the only ones who would have access to change something)
Yesterday I spent over a fucking hour writing a super precise essay detailing the issue, proving a million times it's not on our end and that they need to fix it. Now here is an insight to what beautiful "IT service" our service desk provides:
1) ticket gets assigned to a "Connectivity Engineer" lady
2) few hours later she responds and asks me to give her the app and environment IDs and grant her access to those
(naturally everything in my email was ignored including these two IDs)
3) since the app needs to be in prod for the issue, I make a copy isolating the failing part and grant her access to the original "for reference" and the copy to play with
4) few hours later I get an email from the env that some guy called P made changes to the actual app, no changes to the copy
(maybe they immediately fixed the app even though I asked them to only touch the copy)
I also check the env and the live app had been shared with another 2 people giving them editing rights:)
5) another few hours pass and the lady responds that she had been chatting with P (no mention of who tf that guy is) and that P has a suggestion that might work and I should test it, "please see screen shot" for details:
These motherfuckers sent me a fucking screenshot of the env config file where "P has edited a few parameters" that might help. The screenshot had a 16 line part of the config json with a bunch of IDs and Base64 params which HE EDITED LOCALLY.
Again, because I needed a few iterations to realise what I've just witnessed:
These idiots modified some things in the main app (not the copy) for hours. Then came to the conclusion that the config needs some IDs and params updated. They downloaded the config json. Edited it locally. Did not fucking upload it back to the main or test app. Did not test it live. Did not CC in or direct the guy with changes to me. Did not send me the modified config file. Did not even paste the new IDs into the email. But TOOK A FUCKING SCREENSHOT OF THE MODIFIED FILE AND SENT THAT SHIT TO ME. And then had the audacity to ask me to test it when they had access to it and that's literally their fucking job.
I had to compare the fucking screenshot to the live config file and manually type in the changes.
And no, it still doesn't work. And Now I have to get back to them showing it still fails the same way but I just can't deal with these people. Fuck. Was hoping by the time I write it all down it'd be better, and it does feel a bit better, but I still need to get this app fixed. And I can only do it through these... monkeys. I just can't. Talking to these people drains my life energy... I'm just sad. -
From the moment I realised I was a TABs guy, and she a SPACEs person, it was all over. Love became terribly bad "indented" from that very moment.
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TABS OR SPACES?
It doesn't matter what you use, but use the ome you can stand with.
DONT FUCKING EVER BULLY ONE BECAUSE HE'S NOT USING YOUR "STANDARD"
Try to have some good discussion why you should use tabs or spaces and let other opinions matter. They may have some good reason for it.
PS I'm using spaces because it wont fuck up my Code if i change the OS (Windows<->Linux Server)5 -
to space, or to tab,
that is the question,
whether tis nobler to suffer
the slings and arrows
of outrageous space bar use
pressing four or eight times,
or to take arms against a sea of
manual spaces by using
the tab key, and by apposing
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People sometimes scream to everyone else that tabs are better than spaces, but they don't realize that their IDE most of the times automatically converts tabs in 4 spaces.10
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Have you ever had an error or something and start researching for hours and end up with about +infinite tabs opened and suddenly get this kind of raging rampage of closing tabs and yelling to them like a psycho? Like "get the $@&! Out of my sight you $@&!ing useless post that didn't solve my problem!"
Should I go to therapy?4 -
Meeen fvck this shit. After my student loan I’m out in this shit ass company men.
So I’m fixing a frontend bug. I’m so into it that I opened more than 10 tabs. So i called my senior on what I found then he want to test something on my workstation so i said im cool with it and then i closes all the TABS man. Comeon!!
Ps: the tabs are sequentially opened to track the bug.13 -
tabs vs spaces
i hate it when i cant find where i used spaces instead of tabs. just a simple mistake and it doesnt work
me: *codes makefile in codenvy*
terminal: *** missing separator. Stop.
me: *rewrites code exactly the same way in Notepad++*
me: *copy paste code to codenvy*
terminal: *compiles whole project*
wow. just wow.6 -
I’m really bad at closing my tabs. I’ll often have 40+ tabs open when tackling some sort of problem or when doing research. Sometimes I’ll crack open another browser instance to research something unrelated. I use a tab session saver to save all of my instances before a reset. But the funny part is, I almost never go back into my stored sessions. I’ll just open up a fresh browser after restarting and the cycle begins anew.
I need help.12 -
Whenever I clone a github repo, the first thing I do is to format the code from tabs to spaces.
Tried not to do it, but the itch is unbearable.4 -
PM: Heyy team x, could we have a suuper quick 90 sec tops call?
B*tch, if the call is actually 1.5m there is no way we need that call. We can actually respond to your question in text quicker.
But I know you. You can't fool me that it would actually be 90 seconds.
It's also fucking Friday afternoon.
fml2 -
for everyone like me hating the new chrome tabs style "touchable" that firefox dropped a few versions ago:
chrome://flags/#top-chrome-md
set it to "Normal" and you're back to "Normal" e.g. good looking. you're welcome ;)
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Our professor takes points off our code if we use tabs (not much, but still).
But the best part is having "few" spaces is also a problem. Seems like using tabs we be a solution then.
Why?!8 -
#include <stdio.h>
int main()
{
printf("Come at me. I give opening curly brackets their own line, use Dvorak and use tabs!")
}5 -
What if those who’ve been defending the use of tabs over spaces realized they’re actually using soft tabs (spaces behind the scenes) after all? 🤔🤔🤔15
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I use spaces in vim/nano, I use tabs in my graphical IDE which translates it into spaces. I guess I'm on the spaces side, even though I don't really mind both. But seriously, why do people keep arguing about effing whitespaces...9
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Tabs, or No Tabs? I did the same as this commentor 2 years ago. I can code so quick now because of this simple switch. Here's why:
(source, Laracasts.com)
Ben Smith
"I think the most beneficial tip was to do away with tabs. Although it took a while to get used to and on many occasions in the first few days I almost switched them back on, it has done wonders for my workflow.
I find it keeps my brain more engaged with the task at hand due to keeping the editor (and my mind) clutter free. Before when I had to refer to a class, I would have opened it in a new tab and then I might have left it open to make it easier to get to again. This would quickly result in a bar full of tabs and navigation around the editor would become slow and my brain would get bogged down keeping track of what was open and which tab it was in. With the removal of the tab bar I'm now able to keep only the key information in my mind and with the ability to quickly switch between recently opened files, I find I haven't lost any of the speed which I initially thought I might.
In fact this is something I have noticed in all areas of writing code, the more proficient I have become with an editor the better the code I have been writing. Any time spent actually writing your code is time in which your brain is disconnected from the problem you are trying to solve. The quicker you are able to implement your ideas in code, the smaller the disconnect becomes. For example, I have recently been learning how to do unit testing and to do so I have been rewriting an old project with tests included. The ability to so quickly refactor has meant that whereas before I might have taken 30 seconds shuffling code around, now I can spend maybe 5 seconds allowing my mind to focus much better on how best to refactor, not on the actual process of doing so."
jeff_way Mod
"Yeah - it takes a little while to get used to the idea of having no tabs. But, I wouldn't go back at this point. It's all about forcing yourself into a faster workflow. If you keep the tabs and the sidebar open, you won't use the keyboard."2 -
I know this topic is tired and this isn't supposed to be a pure "REEEE SPACES BAD" kinda rant but I still don't understand why people would ever use spaces over tabs for indentation. I'm genuinely curious so please give me your arguments in favor of spaces because I just don't understand
So here's my position:
Tabs are objectively better than spaces in every single way
(I know that IDEs also do some of these for spaces, more on that later)
1. They are typed with one key press
2. They can be removed with one keypress
3. They allow for individually configurable width (some people prefer 2 and some 4 width)
4. They take up less memory (kinda irrelevant, but still)
5. You can properly navigate your code using the arrow keys which is much faster than using the mouse while typing
6. You don't have problems with accidentially having one too much or one too little
7. You don't have problems when copy pasting or moving code around (e.g. refactoring)
8. Code is much easier to select with the mouse, and
9. it's much easier clicking the right spot with the mouse where you want to continue typing, which is often at the start of a line
Apart from specific alignment, where spaces are fine (but which also almost never comes up), I just can't see a single thing where spaces are better at. So much so that most IDEs have to *pretend* that they're tabs when typing and removing them. It's so ironic yet people still defend it and big companies still use them.
I feel like I'm going mad 😨56 -
"The thing I want to change is very simple.."
Day starts off great again by manager saying the above - which is already problem with her limited technical knowledge - and then she proceeds by wanting to change multiple properties of a primary key in our live db.
I really hope my interviews go well this week and I can leave this place soon.. -
so the PHP Standards Recommendations part two (PSR-2) says
"Code MUST use 4 spaces for indenting, not tabs."
and i feel devastated1 -
I just went to pee and I spent like 10 minutes reading devrant and I got paid for it.
Yes I pee sitting.2 -
Indentation. Trying to teach students that every expression needs its own indentation is such a pain.1
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Developers who think spaces are better than tabs.
Seriously every editor other than Notepad lets you set how many spaces a tab is equal to. Stop trying to force your stupid 2 space tabs on me.4 -
When you have 300+ browser tabs open and you can't remember where that particular tab is you want..
Isn't that what computers are supposed to be useful for "Alexa take me to that DevRant tab I left open the other day!"
I guess if I had 300 monitors I could leave each one on a different page..
FX [ Gets idea for new bedroom layout.. ]
If only I could afford the electricity bill..
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Why aren't styleguides made by democratic descisions?
Just ask 1m devs and do whats done the most.8 -
I can’t work with 100s of tabs open. It’s not productive at all.
That relief you get after completing your task and closing 100s of tabs? Yeah.. I am fine with 10 tabs.6 -
I used to love tabs and absolutely despise spaces, but a combination of using IntelliJ and company code indentation convention has converted me to the dark side #spacegang4
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I don't think there is anything more painful than seeing some programmers writing badly formatted code.
I mean how can anyone use a single space or completely inconsistent spaces and tabs.
What is more painful is that you cannot scream at them because you don't wanna be an A-Hole trying to force your methods to others. -
Weekly summary: 1 of your workflows have failed
- shit
The below workflow had an unusual number of failures:
Workflow X
Failed 1 times
- oh so it is failing since yesterday?
*swaty click*
8 h ago - Succeeded
1 d ago - Succeeded
[...]
6 d ago - Succeeded
1 wk ago - Failed
- Oh. Great. Perfect time and way to notify me.8 -
On Facebook open day:
Graduate dev lady telling a story about how much responsibility they are given and how she broke the password reset button for hours when her task was to instruct old users with weak passwords to update them...
//my first post, so not sure if it's appropriate, but surely did this come as a shock7 -
Could it be that devs using spaces over tabs actually send secret messages in morse code to each other while indenting?
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Since we're all doing unpopular opinions lately: tabs and spaces are not only interchangeable, but is most readable when mixed on one line.
Instead of 4 spaces or one tab, try 2 spaces, 1 tab, and another space for good measure!3 -
Anyone here here has used pluralsight? Really powerful platform for learning IT stuff, I have learned tons with it3
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The pain of having more than a few tabs open and not knowing exactly what number to press with CTRL(or CMD) to switch to the tab you want 😅1
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Worst: job insecurity, i. e. "due to Covid, unfortunately we can only renew you for 1 month for now" which kept on going from March till October and during which all sensible colleagues left.
Best: finally leaving this piece of shit management in October for a better position.1 -
I haven't chimed in on this spaces vs tabs war at all on this platform, mostly because I personally don't care and adapt to my work's/project's conventions, but I just have to put this out there now.
I am honestly so confused about the entire thing since seeing a lot of recent rants on the topic. I was originally conditioned to believe that the majority of devs in the world were FOR spaces over tabs. Thus, whenever I start a project, I default to spaces.
Contrary to that, it seems most devs here (or at least those who enjoy instigating some banter) actually prefer tabs. Now, I recently binged Silicon Valley and can't help but wonder if people around here are simply jumping on that band wagon for the sake of the joke.
Side note: I also thought Vim was more widely used over Emacs but Richard Hendricks asserts otherwise there too.
I know the main arguments for both sides - spaces yield code that looks the same in all editors while tabs produce smaller code. Anybody who argues that spaces are less efficient because you need to physically press the space bar 2/4/8/etc times is just retarded. If soft tabs weren't a thing, I don't think anybody would be on the side of spaces and for that reason I believe that episode in Silicon Valley was just trying to be overdramatized and push peoples' buttons.
All of that being said, I wonder if it's just a generational/field of development thing. Would it be wrong to propose that more older devs in the field of embedded and OS development (using C and the like) are in the spaces party while younger devs perhaps more into application and web dev (Javascript, C#, and shit) are all about tabs? I'm actually fresh out of university, but like I said my preference is spaces, though I don't really care.
I'm actually interested to find out what kind of environments breed these opposing mindsets so what do you guys think?2 -
Spaces vs tabs has kind of become a non-argument for web tech and the former has won (at least in every place I've worked or observed in open source projects).
Although I don't really care (just stick to one for the same codebase) I don't get why spaces won. Given the argument is mostly about how we like to read code individually, and tab width can be configured per editor while space cannot, why did spaces win?9 -
Opening a million tabs on Chrome, inwardly saying, 'I'll get back to you later' after briefly reading the first few paragraphs
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I don't know what side of the argument I'm on for tabs vs spaces. I use tab but set it to be 4 spaces.4
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FU OneTab. This is second time you lost my saved tabs. Off you go.
TL;DR OneTab extension has major bug.
Anyone who read my suggestions/comments to use OneTab to save your opening tabs on your Chrome and Firefox, I apologize from here. And suggest you to be careful with it. I know that I have recommended it plenty of times here.
I have no idea what's causing the data lost. I used OneTab since years ago on Chrome and it worked fine. I switched to Firefox when Quantum came out. OneTab came to FF addon repo this year. I was very happy and installed and used it straight away. But it wasn't as good as before.
I don't like to open lots of tabs. Max I have will be a dozen. I like to work different task, different project on different windows. I usually have 2 windows. One window for my personal and social use with tabs like devRant, discord, etc. Second window for one of my projects and I usually work on one project at a time. If I have to juggle among multiple projects unfortunately, I open third or fourth windows respectively.
Hence, saving all opening tabs of a window to be able to open it easily next time is a very useful feature for me. I don't even need those saved to be permanent. I save URLs I frequently visit as bookmarks and URLs I found useful to pocket.
OneTab served that purpose. But losing saved tabs is definitely major problem for me. So I have uninstalled it and now giving a try to Stash. Very new add-on, so I'm still not sure of it yet. On bright side, it is made for Firefox and open-source. OneTab is not open-source.
https://github.com/globau/...
So far Stash is working fine. But I will wait and see for a week or so.2 -
Job requirement:
> Have been on a career break for a minimum of 6 months
???
What kind of fuckery is this?3 -
I swear i just heard my computer breathing out deeply after i closed all of the unneeded browser tabs.1
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I'm usually on the tabs camp, because anyone can have their editor (not notepad) render them any way they want. I prefer showing them as 2 spaces. It just feels cleaner and more subtle than 4 😀2
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Am I the only madman writing C++ with 8 spaces per tab? (Converted to spaces, to be sure. What are we, savages?!)
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Tabs at the top on mobile with no swiping between them. OK, @dfox, I'll just use my 6" thumb to reach them...8
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My Tabmanagment, or the lack of it.
When I'm in problem solving mode I have easily 40tabs+ open, because I might need some which are already open. I distinguish them by the favicon of the Google tab. Each Google tab and the following tabs are separate problems/tasks so I kinda have a timeline "the one in the middle was the problem I had 30mins ago".
I also have no bookmarks, I start always with min. 5 Tabs. I guess I don't know how to browser :|2 -
Does vim have a tree view and multiple tabs? Maybe some sort of plugin? How bout Neovim? If there is anyway to get that on vim I am sold, but until then I’m sticking with my text editor.7
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Can we just decide that we stop using 2 spaces as indents. I really don't have a big preference with tabs versus spaces (especially with modern editors it really doesn't matter that much) but can we please for the love of God stop using 2 spaces! It's ridiculous, it's impossible to read and to understand what goes where, especially with HTML where it's important to grasp the structure of the page. Another annoying thing is when newbies use 2 spaces, since it's visually hard to make out an indent the file usually becomes completely messed up and even harder to read and work with. So can we as devs just come together and wipe 2 space indention from the face of the Earth and decide to newer use them again!8
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Am I the only one here who knows that in Stackoverflow you have to indent your code with 4 spaces, so you tab and you get pissed ?!
I think this is the first solid argument that spaces people have on this holy war5 -
Not a rant..
I recently made a chrome extension to manage tabs...
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/...
Made it for myself first but I know all of us have this problem of having tabs to the extent that even the favicons become invisible.
Feedback and suggestions are welcome guys!! -
People who use spaces make more than people who use tabs. I've been doing it wrong :(
https://goo.gl/FSzv5z5 -
A team blacklisted a series of words in order to prevent XSS. Obviously they failed terribly. Like they filtered 'alert(' and crap like that. Like a hacker is going to alert stuff using xss. I opened a bug to their team.1
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I just noticed that I have not closed the tab I joined devRant on, like since then... How odd! This platform is something else. Good or bad... Honestly, who gives a fuck.4
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I have dreamed of this feature since the very first release of Visual Studio Code. But now, finally, that dream has become a reality.
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When you realise that PEP8 uses spaces instead of tabs.
All these years of Python experience vanishes in a second.3 -
Why is there so much hatred for people who use spaces instead of tabs?
I use tabs out of habit but I don't understand why people have to fucking hate the ones who use spaces so much13 -
Junon's Zen of Tabs:
Tabs for lexical indentation, spaces for alignment.
Tabs always come first, and never after a non-tab character.
This is the only way it should be.
I do not have an open mind about this. Fight me IRL.13 -
I love most trends around js, because often they're thoroughly thought through (not always) and make things easier.. but why the fucking fuck do all the js coding standards use 2 SPACES. Now this isn't intended to be a tabs-vs-spaces rampage rant. But this decision against tabs is like saying yes to a 50ct pencil instead of 100 dollars.7
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Get new devs machines with 8gb ram and 240gb hdd to teach them responsibility.
Then upgrade them when they threaten to quit.5 -
Feeling stupid as fuck in a group programming with our lead engineer (and Im the one driving). Tell me Im not useless :(1
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Which development standards and coding styles would you recommend in a development team? My colleague @jacoKotze and I are starting to get larger projects at work and 2 more developers soon (juniors with little to no experience), so we'll need some coherence soon.
Tabs v spaces is more of a joke, looking for opinions on other things please.12 -
It's time to reconcile the religious war with a compromise: How about we use spaces for lines with indent <= 8 chars and tabs for deeper indents?
Or maybe tabs in all functions returning strings and spaces in all other functions?2 -
Facebook is testing out showing conversations in tabs to make sure you don't miss any conversation.
Looks like another good UX pattern.
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!rant
I've recently seen some rants about tabs vs spaces. The main argument for spaces seems to be "different editors define tabs diffently". Can someone ELI5 what does it mean? Should tab always be one character '\t'? I understand that it can be displayed with different width (usually configurable), but it still seems to me to be more uniform across editors, while for spaces some editors indent with 2 spaces and some with 4.
Please don't start a war in the comments. I don't want any other arguments for either of them. I just want to understand that one specific argument.2 -
Developers who use spaces make more money than those who use tabs (for indentation) (stackoverflow survey). What do you use?8
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Dat $15 dollar game maker humble bundle, I dont know if I will ever need it but damn it feels gud.1
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I know there is this huge argument about whether to use tabs or 4 spaces and while I'm on neither side, just sitting there using tabs, in this new project I'm FORCED to use a 1 space indentation and no line breaks in Android layout XML files format.
I sat there for about 10 minutes trying to wrap my head around d this absurd specification they agreed upon with the client. The code looks SHIT and every time I copy some beautifully formatted reference code into this project it turns into a piece of unreadable garbage.
But since I'm just a part-timer and the senior developer working on this project for some years now is much more experienced than me, I'm hesitant to criticise it more than I already did.
Maybe I'll start arguing with industry standards and the improvement for new developer to read our code... -
Just wondering any of you has seen automated tests in a CI machine? Theyre not reliable enough to be running all the time because many times its just an empty error amd its tedious to investigate and wastes lots of time2
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Is there anything specific you'd do/reason with if a company offered you less than the advertised salary range but you are otherwise quite interested?
They admitted to have fucked up the range because the recruiter (who posts the ads) forgot the location-based market adjustment. It is true that the original location (which was unadjusted to mine) would justify a higher salary.
Naturally, I applied expecting a higher salary based on the range, but I feel I must also understand their admitted mistake. They are quite a small company, new to international recruitment and have immediately fixed the ads after this. Then again, if I could get them to at least reach the bottom of the range, I could make an easy decision.12 -
!rant
Tldr check out http://guitarprohub.mrstebo.co.uk/
And ignore the stats on the first page. That is my next job to track downloads and searches 😄
I have never been taught how to "plan" projects, but with a small plan I managed to get this site running in about a 3 days (in between having to look after the kids!) only running on a free heroku instance for testing.
If anyone wants to get their hands dirty with the code then let me know. Not a pro at rails yet, but from the stats in new relic it seems to be running pretty quickly! Even with contacting an external site it was only taking 2ms to load a page of tabs!
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