If Programming Languages Were Girls:

Java: Your current girlfriend, you've been going steady for a while now. Things are okay.

Kotlin: The girl Java finds you cheating on, she's just amazing, and you wish you'd met her sooner.

Visual Basic: The girl you accidentally started a relationship with because you didn't know how to say no. But quickly realised your mistake and regretted it.

JavaScript: A childhood friend you occasionally hook up with. But you could never settle for a relationship with them.

Python: A bossy, manipulative girl who quickly turned things sour. But everyone else loves her because of her huge libraries.
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My and a co worker were joking the other day about what programming languages would be like if they were girls. This is what we came up with (Original inspiration: the Distracted Boyfriend meme (Feel free to add your own!)).

Android Developer job ads next week:
* +10 years of experience in Kotlin.
* +3 years developing enterprise level apps using Kotlin.

Lol @ Jetbrains

Just android things!

A newly met person, who sat next to me in class: I heard you do machine learning... I develop android apps too

Me: Oh nice, what do you do, Java or Kotlin?

Him: I do Android studio

Me: ...

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

All this talk about Kotlin, scala, groove....

Just received a bunch of awesome jetbrains stickers.

Java + Python = Kotlin?
😂😂😂

Me: "oh its a new year, time to check out some shiny new languages"
Me: *finds kotlin*
Me:
Me: "what the fuck"

At a busy restaurant.
Person 1: oh my God this man here is having a heart attack. Is there a doctor here?
Person 2: here's ten reasons why Kotlin is better than Java for Android development

Ported a Java class to Kotlin. 200 lines of code removed and much cleaner structure.

FeelsGoodMan

Yesteryear's me: What is up with this effin' catelyn-katelin-thingy? Yet another hipster language trying to dethrone Java. Yeah, right. And why does it sounds like my ex's name?

Today's me:

Richard Hendrix won't be using Kotlin.

Function definition in various programming languages

//JavaScript/PHP

function myfunc()
{

}

//Swift

func myfunc()
{

}

//Kotlin

fun myfunc()
{

}

//Rust

fn myfunc()
{

}

//Next...

f myfunc()
{

}

Google I/O: And now web add a new language to Android...
Me: Golang, golang, golang...
I/O: Kotlin!!!!!!!
Me: What?????? Another language?!?!

Going back to Java after being writing code in Kotlin for a while feels like going back with your crazy, over reacting ex.

Just added Kotlin plugin to my new android project and what do you know, CPU went to 100% of usage.
Aaand the winner is: Fucking Android Studio!

Kotlin is just another placeholder for your CV if you know Java

Its time to learn kotlin. Whos with me!?

Kotlin or java?

FINALLY!
Kotlin official supported by Google for Android! <3

>Kotlin has like 0.1% market share and is basically a java framework
>
>LETS MOVE IT TO ANDROID

I'm trying to learn how to make apps for Android with Kotlin, but every single fucking tutorial, guide, introduction, you name it just assumes out of its ass that you have 69+ years of experience in Java. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN DECLARE YOUR KOTLIN ACTIVITY IN THE ANDROID MANIFEST LIKE YOU WOULD DO FOR A JAVA ACTIVITY?! GO FUCK YOURSELF OR TELL ME HOW, YOU FAT ARSE PRICK. YOU TOOK HALF A PARAGRAPH AND A IMAGE BIGGER THAT YOUR MOM'S ASS ON A MOIST DAY TO TELL ME ABOUT ANDROID STUDIO'S AUTOCOMPLETE FEATURE, YET YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN NEITHER EXPERT NOR BASIC CONCEPTS. YOUR JOB IS TO EXPLAIN BOTH OF THESE, OR AT LEAST ONE, YOU FUCK!

You just get thrown entirely new concepts without even any explanation! "Oh, why should I explain it, you know it from Java". Take a hot cup of coffee, shove it deep in your rectum. Your ass is now Java. I know nothing about nor do I want to, I came here to your petty website to learn Kotlin.

Yes, I know it's a descendant of Java. I don't give a shit. I didn't need C to learn C++, and it's stupid to say you need to know Java to learn Kotlin. Absolute garbage nonsense.

A fucking annoying waste of time, going through tons of tutorials until you find the one that is actually helpful.

Was practicing kotlin today.
After finishing a file I ran the clean the code thingy and it removed 137 semicolons.
Its gonna take some time getting used to not ending with ;

Looked at Kotlin docs today.

I had a lot of fun.

I just started learning Kotlin for a week or two and suddenly Google announced Kotlin will be officially supported for Android development.

I'm excited.

meanwhile in Kotlin slack chat! awesome news

You cant make this shit up XD

The joy of using Kotlin instead of Java :')
Though if I'm not mistaken they produce almost same out put :\ but writing kotlin is just time saving IMO

Converting old Android projects to kotlin feels soo damn good!
All that Java garbage is going into the t r a s h, boy

Friend: Hey, so what do you do?

Me: I build backend systems and apis. I work with java/mongodb. I dable into some elixir and kotlin on my free time.

Friend: Cool, can you build me an Android app?

I fucking hate Xcode. This is the shittiest IDE to ever exist.

I've been developing Android apps for two years now, and just recently decided I want to learn how to develop iOS apps, so I ordered an iPhone, and started playing around with some simple projects.

Swift is kinda like Kotlin, so not a big change there, I'm adopting it quickly. But the IDE suuuucks, compared to Android Studio.

This f**ker randomly just starts misbehaving.
I've had cases where the files lose all keyword/variable coloring, so its like using a Notepad/TextEdit.
Then sometimes autocomplete stops working properly, unless I restart the IDE.
I've even had cases when auto-identation doesn't work anymore, then after a while it does. I kept thinking I was pressing the wrong shortcut.

This is making me want to just throw this away, and go back to Android 😤

Can't ignore Kotlin anymore , its official. Where should I start?

Yahoo, Kotlin is the first class language for android. So no more fucking Java codes. No more 100 lines for basic configurations. No more null pointer exceptions.

Only beautiful code and fun.

I seriously wanna fucking knofe this guy who says JS is shit and Kotlin is superior well NEWS FLASH YOU FLYING PIECE OF WANK, every fucking language has its pros and cons

If you still think JS is supposed to be in browser well I say to you fucktard this isnt the 80s anymore and we ain't using Java applets and Flash for some limp dicked stuff JS has covered today. A language might have its dark sides but they are all fucking good. There is no superiour language there's only Mother fucking preference. I swear to god this is the worse limp dicked argument I've heard and I have to argue that JS has matured over the years

Things u truly HATE:
I'll start with mine
- JavaScript
- PHP
- XCode (I like Swift. It looks very much like Kotlin)
- PHP

Frustrated, tired and a bit lost.

I'm a "Senior PHP Backend Dev", which includes not the greatest tech stack nor the best job title, but it pays fine, and the company is awesome to work for.

I suck at writing features, but I'm great at bitching, and I easily put complex abstract concepts into usable models. So I'm also QA, tester, tech lead, database architect, whatever.

That makes writing PHP less annoying, because I create the rules, and whip devs around when they forget a return type definition or forget to handle an edge case. But I don't write a lot of code anymore, I mostly read (bad) code.

Lately I REALLY feel like doing something else... problem is that I know JS/ES6, but really dislike React/Vue and the whole crappy modern frontend toolchainchootrain of babelifyingwebpackingyarnballs. I know Python/Tensorflow/etc, but don't feel like I want to go into data science or AI. And then I'm awesome at the shit no one uses, like Haskell, Go and Rust (and worse).

I got a job offer which combines a very interesting PHP codebase with a Java infrastructure, where I could learn a lot... and I'm kind of tempted.

Problem is, everyone always shits on Java. I always made a bit of fun of Java myself. Don't even know exactly why, probably some really cruel instinct which causes kids to bully the least popular kid.

I know the basics, I've written the hello world, and a small backend app for a personal project. I know how strict and verbose it can be. I love the strictness in Haskell and Rust.... but those are both also quite terse.

Should I become a Java dev? I'm not talking about Android SDK, but an insane enterprise codebase at a life sciences corporation.

To the pro Java devs: What are the best and worst things about your job, about the weekly processes, about the toolchains? Have you ever considered other languages? Do you unconditionally love and believe in Java, or do you believe Swift, Kotlin, Scala or whatever will eventually make it completely obsolete?

Will Java hasten my decline into the cynical neckbeard I was always destined to be?

There are a lot more fun langauges, but looking at realistic demand and career value...

Devrant has earned a place on the bar. Funny enough im posting this exact "rant" from my phone. Also Kotlin, figured id give it a trycatch

Since I got cozier with kotlin, I sing "Look what you made me do" whenever I'm writing in java. 😒

Android really gets on my goat. They are moving things so far that they are actually doing more damage than good.

Upgrade my build tools to v25? sure! Now all my BLE code is borked, thanks for nothing.

Go to the documentation? Lol, that's deprecated fool!

At least now it can all fail to function in Kotlin, a wrapper for Java 6. Instead of keeping your tools up to date you just create another layer of obfuscation. Well done, so proud.

Kotlin! I recently transitioned to kotlin for Android Development and it's such an exciting journey!!!

Just introduced a friend of mine to switch from Java to Kotlin in Android dev. I feel very proud that I recovered a lost soul from the eternal damnation of coding in Java.

I fell in love with that language!
Such a relief coming from Java

So I've decided to go about converting a Java project that I've been working on to Kotlin a little bit at a time. I started out with basic entity classes converting them to simple `data class`es in Kotlin.

Eventually, I got to my first beast of a class to refactor. This class had over 40 service classes depending on it, so even a little hiccup would throw everything into chaos.

I finish all of the changes on all of the dependent classes, update the tests, and the configurations (as necessary), and I was finally ready to spin up the app to test for any breaking changes I may have introduced...

Well - I broke everything! But I was sure I couldn't have! So what the hell happened?

Turns out that as I was building my project with a Gradle watch, at one point something failed to compile, which threw an unhandled exception in the gradle daemon that was never reported.

So when I tried to run my app, gradle would continually re-throw the error in the app I asked it to run...

After turning the daemon off and on again, the app worked like a charm.

Kotlin functions are fun.

1. Learn Kotlin
2. Actually sit down and push through machine learning.
3. Finish integral calculus and start multivariable calc.
4. Work on 1 project until completion.
5. Socialize a bit more.
6. Obliterate bugs.

When a hiring manager wants 5+ years experience in Kotlin.

Kotlin release date = February 15, 2016

😂👍🖕

IntelliJ!! In my opinion its the best IDE for Java and Kotlin and it supports you to code better

And I got it for free because I'm a student :D

I'm a backend (Java, Kotlin) developer and I mainly design & develop services and Android apps which consume these services.

My team in my current organization (I've been working here since past 2 years) just got merged with another team.

And now the new boss wants me to fix some fuck ups in their project which is written in C#, with some WCF and other stuff.

As this stuff is completely new for me, I asked for some time to get familiar with the environment. But the answer was a big NO.

As a result, "I've started looking out for a new job"
😡😠

Fuckin management screws up everything!

An easy to use, high level framework in Kotlin for front-end web-development. Allows for creating web apps without using HTML, CSS, or JavaScript.

When I was first learning Kotlin, I was so excited about its simpleness and power compared to Java.

Kotlin is really cool though.

Kotlin
All the languages have a basic objective in mind that shapes both the language and it's community:
for c/c++ was low level hardware access and performance, for Java OOP and learning; Kotlin was mostly made to make dev life easier and tries to anticipate what you want to do instead of forcing his patterns and tries to help you instead of punishing errors.
As a dev at least i feel a little more cared about and less left alone (especially in the ugly world of Java for Android)

okay i gotta admit kotlin is moderately fun

Porting Java Code to Kotlin manually, just to get a better understanding of the language. Best thing so far, NO more Assertive Exception Handling.

Damnit Java, I know it for a fact that the damned thing won't throw an exception! There's Careful and Paranoid. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE

Projects I wish I would start:
- Blockchain-based debt clearing
- Ruby | Kotlin XKCD Telegram bot
- Bus stop GPS alarm (OhShitMystop)
- Sent images gathering Messenger bot

And right now I'm working on a Kotlin Android app involving speech recognition, localisation & statistics 🤔
No urge to finish that one, it's a learning sandbox.

PS: I'm trying really hard to avoid making any lame jokes on this weekly rant number 😁

While getting a pro in Kotlin, I started using

when(condition) {
true -> doOneThing()
false -> {
xyz = whatEver()
blaBla()
}
}

instead of simple if-else.
It looks nice but also distracting.

What is your opinion on that?
I guess most will be like:

Exactly

Sorry for the low quality..

Truth: You will regret not using Kotlin as soon as possible. Don't deprive yourself of pleasant development and productivity boost.

Does anyone feel overwhelmed by all the new technologies? It's like every developer nowadays code in JS, and knows ES6, React, webpack, babel by heart. I have been working in Java for less than a decade and sometimes feel like I can't catch up. Even in Java ecosystem there is now Scala, Groovy, Gradle, Kotlin... Not to mention other languages like Python, Swift... How do you guys have time to pick up everything?? 😖

The lack of documentation, tutorials and blog posts, SO questions, etc for kotlin + android is so annoying and I have to keep remind myself: "this shit is new. Not many have tried these stuff"

Like, I don't even know if I'm complaining or what. It was a tiring day. (also maybe because I haven't been doing any programming in about a few weeks so I kinda got lazy 😛)

Intellij, Android Studio, PyCharm, ...
Because it looks the best for a full IDE (editors are another topic 😉). Especially with Kotlin:

!rant
Today I bought my first (non school-required) programming book! ☺

Oh boy, kotlin and its world of statics and lambdas are glorious 💗💗💗

I just finished this attendence counter app i have been working on for last 4 days.its quite simple so i tried to add as much constraints as possible:
-Good practices and minimal warningy
-Room database
-Viewmodel and livedata
-constraint layout
-everything in kotlin

Although i already have worked with room and livedata previously but i dont even have a hello world experience in kotlin . However it doesn't felt that bad tho for a newbie

Every code here is so small . Synthetic binding? Love at first sight.Although at some places its irritating , not having ?: Operator or its ugly 'when' logic, but overall its Awesome!!

Kotlin is now officially supported for developing for Android. My life is complete.

Other dev: fuck you, your code can't handle null as input
Me: yeah, because it's kotlin. It's like I added @NotNull, so?...
Other dev: fuck kotlin
Me: fuck you and your nullpointers. Don't pass my precious constructor that crap!

Kotlin support on Android:
i never liked Java, not because of the language but for the usual bad design implementations and Android is one of those.
Then Kotlin arrived, it looked very promising but it's when i looked at Coroutines that it simply blew my mind:
you just have to write your code and the Kotlin's compliler "magic" will do most of the boring/complex stuff for you and it's even great performance wise!
I even refactored inter-process calls to simple sync functions with few like of code and for a non-android developer like me it's just love at first sight!

Haters: "Kotlin is going to replace java"

Market: "nah"

:^)

Java is powerful.. Java is robust.. Java....

Kotlin comes like 😎

New Language in Android Kotlin lets see whats it ?

I have to say, Kotlin is getting interesting now. At first i was like "WTF is this shit", but now im like "TF, did i just create a data class with 2 lines of code as opposed to the 14 i would have using JAVA? TF you've been Kotlin?"

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Biggest annoyance of favorite language:

Python has no static type checking. I know that is not something that is intended for Python. It's just that I enjoy the syntax, but would love the type-safety of something like Kotlin/Java

Had a bit of time, so I went and tried kotlin for Android.
Can confirm, it's nice and easy. So far, so good.
I specially like how easy it deals with data models.
Downside: not enough tutorials or stackoverflow topics. 😒😒

Still tryin to learn Java and suddenly appears Kotlin... I sometimes want to stop the frig world :'v

!rant

Got back into android development recently and while everything was pretty flawless ( I managed to get the basic concepts implemented in a day) something wasn't right.

For some reason I was not happy with the code i wrote, although I took examples from google and tried to adapt their code style. It looked aweful. I hated my code.
But the code itself wasn't the core of the problem. I could easily add new features and replace components with new implementations without breaking the app. All those "good code quality" identifiers were there.

Turn out the problem is Java. Or to be more specific: Java 1.6
Every listener which only calls a single function once a worker has finished needs 6 lines of code. If you implement the inferface in the class it gets messy once there are multiple workers and you have a generic interface. And there are no lambdas!

So I made the switch to Kotlin.
The app was converted to kotlin in 30 Minutes​. Android studio can convert the classes automatically and very little manual work is needed afterwards.
After that I spent 2 hours replacing the old java concepts with Kotlin concepts: lamdas, non-nullable types, getters and setters in kotlin style (which in this case is c# style) and some other great thing.
The code is good looking now. I like it. I like kotlin as it has a lot of cool things.
Its super easy to learn. It took me about 2 hours to get into it. It combines concepts from java, javascript, c# and maybe a few other languages to form a modern jvm 1.6 compatible typesafe language.

Android dev is fun again!

Kotlin, Go and Rust

I think I'm really getting a hang of Kotlin now

I have now decided to use the following Stack for web developement.

Backend
- Kotlin with Ktor.io as REST application
- RethinkDB

Frontend
- NuxtJS Universal Application
- Typescript
- Buefy (Bulma for Vue)

What do you think ?

Joining devRant.
Learning Kotlin.
Learning to dev, actually.
Being fascinated by software development.

Who had no idea what was going on when they nuts about Kotlin at Google IO?

Debate:
Kotlin with or without semicolon? Why?

GO!!!!

Kotlin is awesome!

1. Would have learned Android app development using Kotlin by wk 200
2. Done with machine learning by wk200
3. Would upload my own apps on google play store.
4. Buy a new laptop with my own earned money.

Such variable names
much helpful
very wow!

Either I need to download sdk source code for var names to show up correctly or I need to memorize which is for what :\

"Change it so nobody notices you copied"

I think Kotlin logo was first, other icon it's just a random FB page/Website that IDGAF

!Rant && !Believe what I am seeing 😓

Just downloaded Android studio 3 to give kotlin a go to find out their designer is soooo much better now, I tried editing an activity with constraint layout and many elements inside without a single freez 😨

I regret doing this

Just switched to Kotlin.. For the first like 10 minutes I was like "What is this shit?!" and then I found Java to Kotlin converter and docs. Yay! Looks like it´s not gonna be that hard to do some apps in it.. Hopefully

I laughed waaay to hard at this. Anyone using kotlin? The language seems really nice, i currently develop with React Native if I can avoid java on android (too much to do too little) and was thinking about kotlin.

Rust and Kotlin... I'm a hipster?

Started a small personal Android project after 1 year of not coding android.
Create project -> hmm -> should i... try kotlin -> install plugin -> new project. This thing seems to have a much clear syntax, unexpected.

just started learning Kotlin since this morning. i love it !

!rant

Goodbye Java I will not miss you at all! I swear ...

I do like it when making web services (especially that I can use Java8) but for Android you have been a torture. Hello sweet Kotlin! I shall embrace you and treat you like my newly born baby!!

Story is:
Working on a new project where I need to talk to a web service (also made by me).
Started writing in Java, all is cool and unit tests pass.
Downloaded Android Studio 3 Beta 1 and converted my Java code to Kotlin, That AsyncTask did not look nice in kotlin, converted it to async & await feature and I must admit lots of code removed, no more need to create a new fucking AsyncTask every time the app sneezes for data!

I feel like I'm working with C# but with difference in syntax.
My life is now complete :)

Kotlin is so much fun!

So today I decided to try out Kotlin on Android. Hacked up a little Textview-Button app. AMAZED with the little code.

Anyone know any good resources to learn Kotlin?

Wow my rant about kotlin's not information hiding is the first result if you google " kotlin information hiding "...

sorry Kotlin :(

Kotlin and mother tongue

In my mother tongue (my first language which is Kikuyu) we do not have the letter L in our alphabet thus meaning L and R to us is similar thus pronounced the same.
Then Kotlin makes life hard for devs who got a mother influence in their speech from my tribe. Was having a talk with fellow dev who is my tribe mate and we had an issue agreeing between val and var hehe.
We had to write it down to tell which is which.

Thankyou Kotlin for making my day.

- finish the app for my school
- FUCKING finish the google scholarship before time ends ._.
- learn git
- build a home fileserver, like a own cloud, which can be accesed even further away (has any one some tips on how to do it? ^^)
- attach a gps tracker to my moped, which I can then see on a mobile app (because I don't want it to be stolen...)
- rebuild my homevillages website
- learn python
- replace my android Java with kotlin
- apply to an internship for a software design company
- more and more and more
uff. ._.''

Hope you guys will have a nice and PRODUCTIVE 2018! :^)

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tldr := "Looking for a new project/job/mentor after a problem with my 'job'"
body := `
I've been working for a while now with a smaller minecraft network (hold up now, this is serious, don't walk away yet) for free. It was an amazing opportunity for me. I had the chance to work in a team on a common goal. They had equipment that I otherwise wouldn't have access to, and people who were serious about getting things done, unlike mostly all others. We had almost everything a normal business had- multiple departments, lots of people that sometimes worked through the night, proper version control on software, etc. While others were paid for their work, I chose not to be; I was doing this completely for experience. I want to be ahead for college and for a job as much as possible, so I've dumped most of my free time into this. I was a junior developer, head of security, DBA, and sysadmin. The biggest java and kotlin projects I have ever made, and the ones I was most proud of went to this network. I challenged myself in everything I did, and improved in programming tenfold since I started. I just recently spent three days on their server, setting it up properly, because someone thought managing a control panel was too much work and we need to switch to SSH. So I worked on this server alone for three days, every minute of my free time, setting it all up, and man, I thought it was a thing of beauty. It all made sense and was so simple to manage servers my grandma could do it. Made multiple improvements- iptables was configured, ssh keys were used instead of passwords, ACL was used to manage users' permissions for finer access control to the files, to name a few. I had planned on setting up fail2ban, MySQL and Postgres databases, a website, a couple Go programs to make creating servers even easier, backups to an external server with cron, the works. So after spending in excess of 45 hours on this project (learning tons along the way), I had about 13 servers up and running in an organized fashion, with startup scripts and permissions all done. This was the best setup yet. I went to sleep, got up in the morning, and found out that they had reinstalled everything again without saying anything, wiping out all my work, and had stayed up all night setting up a control panel to get 3 servers running, which they're still working on, and may get it done in a couple more days. So all my work was wasted. A part of me is fine with that I guess, sure it wasted a ton of time on my part but I still learned a lot. But the fact that they just deleted it all without warning and decided to change to another system entirely because it was too much work to learn the new way, after making me set everything up alone without help, having to deal with multiple people breathing down my neck and trying to get people to respond so I could get my work done, annoys the hell out of me. So I decided to take a break from them.

Now I'm looking for a new way to improve in everything I do. I want to get better at java, kotlin, golang, sql, everything related to system administration, database administration, back end, and maybe even a little frontend. I want to be the best developer I can be. The challenge of learning something new is actually fun. I just need a new project, or place to help. Unfortunately, most internships start after college, so that isn't an option, and being a janitor at a small business won't help me much unless I look over other peoples' shoulders when they're working. Open source projects would be interesting, but I don't know if I'd be able to ask anyone for help or opinions on anything. The perfect situation would be working for someone, and having a mentor that really knows their stuff to help me become better. Working on personal projects only gets me so far so fast; it's mostly a cycle of doing something a bunch of different ways because I don't learn about an alternative way to do it until I'm mostly done. Also, if I worked with people in an actual place, I'd get a feel for the environment and for how all the systems worked together. Finally, it'd show me how everything is done properly (hopefully) and how software development in the real world is. A real project, in a real team would be a Godsend for me. I'm not asking for one here, obviously, I just want to know- is this possible for me? I know people my age aren't often hired for this, but I really want to learn and improve. I don't have a degree, I'm self taught in everything. I've been using java for two years, kotlin for a half, golang for less. I know it's unlikely. Just.. how can I try to get this kind of situation, if possible? Thanks.
`

I hate how the IOS developer of our team gets all the recognition for an app we made just because the manager has a bloody iPhone, even though I did the entire backend and Android app.

!Rant
Should i learn kotlin or java for android?
I have some programming background

kotlin!

better late than never.
So I just decided to go with Gitlab after being a Microsoft Team Services user.
To do next on my list:
Move away from .Net for backend services, any suggestions? I use dotnet core due to being able to easily finish what I want and with less code to write. Tried Springboot for Java but not a Java fan, might checkout kotlin though

@bhargav-mogra This is Kotlin for you. In response to your rant about Swift ranges.

Whenever I hear or see someone talking about Kotlin I immediately start thinking of Kotlets and Kebab and I get really hungry...

Wondering if I should learn Kotlin

Am I the only person that thinks Kotlin is entirely useless and will only lead to harder-to-maintain codebases in the future?

God, I was unimpressed when they announced that. Pretty sweet announcements apart from this one, though.

I used to be a Java fanboy.

After seeing the modern things one can do with other languages I am just disappointed, that Java is so old-fashioned.
Some would say "BUT IT HAS LAMBDAS".
Good, that we have lambdas. We don't have optional parameters or objects (like in JS's {} or PHP's stdClass).
JVM may have many advantages, but I think, that Java is slowly dying although it is kept alive by some companies, still using Java in prod.
I think, that Kotlin is, what Java should have been.

I hope, that my wishes will be implemented in Java 10. If not, Java is considered as dead.

Currently learning Kotlin, coming from Java. Just spent half an hour wondering wtf was wrong with

abstract fun add(E element)

Kill me

Anyway, so I've been learning the basics of Python and Kotlin since a week, I just wanted to ask if I could get IDEs and resources for both of them.

Also I know more IRL languages than programming languages, just saying.

Those much extension functions in Kotlin...
Just tries a lot combinations and got reminded of the "Let it go"-Song

Question:
Kotlin?
Yes || No || Donno

Thinking about giving it a small touch but wanted to look on what others thoughts are.

Cheers ☕

I just felt like Google is the best player out there in terms of Companies.
Seriously, Well played Google.
This is not a negative opinion, I am just awe-struck at its tactics.
See, Google is currently the biggest name in terms of development in Android, ML and multi-platform software but no one can say it being a monopoly due to its dedication to open source community.
Recently Android emerged out to be One of the Biggest , most advanced, trusted and loved Technology . It saw great achievements, and up till 2016-17, it was at its peek. BUT when the market started shifting towards multi-platform boons and Ai, it got its hands into that too with its flutter and kotlin environment
One could have a negative opinion about this, But i can't seem to engulf the vast amounts of positive situations i see in this:
1) this IO18 (and many months before that) saw ML/AI being incorporated in Android (also the arcore, proje tango and many more attempts in the past) meaning that Android will not officially "die". It will just become an extremely encouraged platform( not just limited to mobiles) and a beginning of the robot -human reality ( a mobile is handling everything of your everyday life: chats, music apps sxhedules, alarms, and with an actively interacting ML, it won't be long when Android comes installed in a green bug lime droid robot serving you tea xD). Meanwhile the market of Windows games may shift to mobiles or typically " Android games" (remember, Android won't be limited to mobiles)
2)java may or may not die. The animations and smooth flow it seems to provide is always appreciated but kotlin seems to do so too. As for the hard-core apps, they are usually written in c++ .So java is in the red zone
3) kotlin-native and Flutter will be the weapons of future , for sure. they will be developing multi-platform softwares and will be dividing the market of softwares into platform specific softwares(having better ml/ai interactions,animations) and platform independent apps(access and use anywhere softwares).
And where does google stand?Its the lord varys of game of thrones which just supports and enhances the people in the realm. So it benefits the most . That's a company for you, ladies and gentlemen! If seen from common eyes they seem to be the best company ever and our 1 true king but it can also be a very thick fur cloak hiding their negetive policies and tactics , if any.

Well played, Google.

Stop sucking at competitive programming
Learn Android development with kotlin
Learn machine learning and apply it

It's almost end of shift and I just want to get this React Native to run. Fuck!

Kotlin ❤

MFW Google just announced first party support for Kotlin 😮

What an awesome day!

Me: Spend lots of free time (evenings, weekends, sometimes even mornings) learning new languages, new architectures, new libraries. A lot of effort so I'm at the top of the current tech. Swift, Kotlin, MVVM, MVP, C++, functional programming, reactive programming, continuous integration, unit testing...

Get a new job - once again I have to clean up some shitty code, written by someone who went from Java script to objective c, without reading a single book on iOS development. Unused code, commented out code, redundant code, dead code. Unused assets that no one could be bothered to remove for the past 2 years.

Sometimes I wonder why do I even bother if all I ever do is maintain mess done with outdated tech by someone who couldn't give a 🐙🐙🐙

Learn Python, Kotlin and C# for unity

I'm about to lose my freaking mind on intellij. Ran my tests yesterday and everything was good. I added a new method and a new test case today and suddenly no tests are found. Well they didn't go anywhere!! "Class not found, empty test suite" ... Lies! I've been messing with configurations for over an hour now. I just want to run my tests...

Is there a dev who knows a good webpage to get started with kotlin and spring?
I've searched a lot but can't really find something good. So I'd be very happy :)
Thank you

"Kotlin, why the fuck would you want to introduce a better language for Android studio and still base it entirely on jvm, fuck you jetBrains and Google, you java dick sucking retards. "
LOL

Been watching The Lord of the Rings trilogy since yesterday for the third time in my life. I shed a tear at the end. That movie is as good today as it was 15 years ago. Awesome.

Now, to make this post relevant, im going to close VLC media player, open Android Studio and go on a Kotlin (which is becoming more and more like Gandalf the White) journey

Being a full stack developer has been an amazing journey. Looking at a project and understanding how the entire stack work starting from the mobile apps, APIs and DB is a total bless.

Nevertheless, lately switching context between modern languages has been extremely frustrating.

Swift looks like kotlin, elixir looks like ruby. Hell even swift and ruby are very similar.

Writing ruby in Xcode and wondering why the fuck Xcode complaining. Well no shit, swift is not ruby. Took me 5 mins of head scratching to notice it 😢

Hell I am now writing down the latest language I am working with on my hand to keep track 😂

!rant
Time to start my adventure into the world of android mobile applications! Exciting. Going to be using Kotlin and libGDX, had good fun setting it up 😅

I hope libGDX will be a fun experience for mobile game development

At the Android Developers under us:
Do you prefer the new Kotlin language or the good old Java? Because i'm currently learning Android Development with Java.
Would like to hear your opininion! :)

We need kotlin shirts next 😎

rant, but !really.

Trying out this new Kotlin language. Pretty cool, except for...

val str: String = "what the fuck is this syntax?"

Another try to optimize app for Android Go.
For those, who doesn't know, app will be featured in special Google Play section if it fits some restrictions.
And one of thhose restrictions - app must use less then 50Mb of RAM.
So, I've decided to start from scratch.
Hello world activity without appcompat library, only Anko and Kotlin support.
32Mb of RAM
SERIOUSLY?? What the flying fuck, Google?
I hope some of you will point me, what I'm doing wrong.

Debugging is fun again.
@dfox, @trogus

please make Kotlin cape. I wrote 2 emails already and asked about this. please. Even React has separate cape. 😂

Does anybody know of any good kotlin tutorials/courses?

A Bible app for Android called Tour the Bible. It uses the Google maps API to put a pin in each location as you read so you can follow along and virtually "tour" the Bible.

I had a basic version built but then I switched to Kotlin then I pretty much completely rewrote it to use an api for the Bible content instead of plain .txt files. I still try to work on it in my spare time but with a family, full time job, full time school and part time freelancing I don't get much spare time.

What did I miss? Why is Kotlin suddenly emerging as a "must-learn"?

I just got a legacy java system and im starting to see why kotlin should be implemented, so fucking imbeciles cant use null as a database path

!rant

I am a xamarin developer , would like to try "native" android dev.

What's the best IDE for android development? Should I give Kotlin a try ?

Ok, i'll try. . .

I've wasted 5 hours
That's why:

val x: Any = 0L
if (x != 0) {
return
}

Kotlin shortcut things a lot it gave me headache when I'm trying to figure out what's happening but I don't know why I still love that language

I'm learning Kotlin through a Udemy course and the course instructor has such an awful accent that it's often difficult to even understand what he's saying. When he says "string" it sounds like he's saying "sit ring." 😧

Just learned how to write a for loop in kotlin and I now want to burn Java to the ground. When I first learned for loops in Java my brain almost imploded.

Kotlin is the best thing that has ever happened to Java! 😂

Question here - what do you guys think of Kotlin?
Do you also think it'll be sufficient to learn Kotlin and not java to programm for Android?

I just began the transition, it's fun playing around with it, but a friend of mine wants to learn Kotlin to learn Android programming (and not java, he only has java basics).

What's your opinion on all this?

Started my first private App project using all the goodies of 2017 android development like TDD, Android architecture components (hence MVVM), kotlin (which I yet have to learn), RxJava2 (if I need it additionally to AAC) and maybe try to set up a CI environment.

Wish me luck guys and girls 😁

Really appreciating MVVM in android. It's doing wonders in my latest project as I double up on learning kotlin.

I got exams coming up but all I want to do I get my hands dirty with kotlin, python and learn the java design patterns 😭

Is kotlin worth coding in? Or is plain Java better? There are many people here coding in kotlin what made you change to kotlin from Java or from anything else? Is there a specific reason? Speed? Stability? Anything? Is it worth using it instead of Java?

C# devs go crazy once they found out that kotlin has got extension methods
and some other c#-like features

Just use Scala.
There's a reason books with titles like 'Scala for Java/C# refugees' exist

I think I have a crush on Kotlin 🙈

Although iv only been developing in android for around 7 months yet I fail to see the appeal of Kotlin.

It has no real advantage over Java. In my opinion its fucking lazy code. It might look pretty but that's about it. So I don't see why employers are opening their arseholes for people with Kotlin experience.

Im pretty sure they are doing it because its "the next big thing". If you can write solid Java I dont know what the big deal is.. Maybe someone can shed some light on this..

Android studio can convert Java to Kotlin with one click. So No Mr employer I do not see your reason why you employed someone over me because he has Kotlin experience. Its fucked!! So that project I handed you... the one where I had pride in my ability to apply solid Java... Yes remember fucking Java everyone?!... well it works exactly the fucking same and in my opinion is much more verified and readable. SOOOO FUCK YOUUUU MR EMPLOYER!!!!! Go FuckYourStupidLittleKotlinBumChumsRightInTheirShitRiddenFuckHoles!!!!!!

Rant over...

dev && !rant

I am thinking about picking up a functional language. Currently I use Kotlin (and I fucking love that language) but I have to admit that it's support for functional programming is limited.

But I think their lies a certain beauty in fp and I want to do some project with it.

The 2 main problems are:
1. I have no experience in functional programming. I have no clue how to structure my program (potantialy without oop) and write clean testable code.
2. I don't know what language to use. Scala seems great since it has good IDE support and I like the Java ecosystem and Haskell seems to have more beauty but is missing that IDE support and it is very unfamilar for me.

So what do you guys think I should pick up? And how do I learn to write good software with it?

Was recently in a motorcycle accident and haven't been cleared to go back to work yet so I'm trying to build my first Android app.

I don't know Java, XML, kotlin, Android studio, or what the fuck a Gradle is; but I figured I'd take my app idea and download Android studio then try winging everything from there.

Needless to say, I'm having a damn hard time lol. I have been watching firebase tutorials on YouTube to try and figure out how to add authentication to my app. I kinda got it working in the AVD. But my personal Google account has 2FA enabled so I can't seem to get the app to sign me out, or sign me back in. (I was able to authenticate once successfully.)

I have no idea if having 2FA enabled is even the problem. I tried turning on debugging and can't seem to figure out how to actually get the app to debug or get a debug console open.

I seriously feel like the world's biggest n00b right now. Going to go YouTube/Google how to get the debugging working. Then I'm off for a round of learning how to read a debug report!

Hahahaha... Kill me now -_-'

WTF Is wrong with Kotlin! Every fucking time I upgrade its Android Studio plugin i receive loads of errors about: Type mismatch: inferred type is FragmentActivity? but FragmentActivity was expected

for fucks sake bitch! Why the hell you keep on switching from optional to non optional on every fucking update, my commit history is full of this type of fixes -_-

Just started learning Android with Kotlin and is really nice but why the hell the sintaxis has to be in some cases really weird 😲

I'm starting to rank languages based on how easy is to create and work with multi dimensional arrays.

Converting a class that makes lot of DB connections from Java to kotlin made me realise that. Huge turnoff 😞

IOS or Android Swift or Java/kotlin

Can anyone point me to Android tutorials/resources using Kotlin? ( I don't know Java... Coming from iOS background)

!rant
To Android developers who are employed, how's the industry with Kotlin? Are you guyz shifting to it or still stick to Java? And what are your thoughts about Kotlin future? Thanks.

I take a look on Dart, which used by Flutter, a "React Native inspired" framework.
Very similar to Typescript and Java, so whatever you write, probably gonna work.
But I feel lack confidence on any language Google promoted. Eg kotlin and Go
🤦‍♂️
Google hired too many PhDs who have nothing to do, so they spend 1 day per week draw some doodles...
Hope this is not another weekend warrior project.🙄

And now I gotta learn kotlin too??
fu google

Got to love Google. This years IO 2018 has been one of my best. So many new tools for developers to become successful. Android & its new set of tools like Android Jetpack & the immense love Kotlin is receiving its gonna be an awesome year for Android programmers & Kotlin as a language.

kotlin doesn't know information hiding... I am fucked x___x

Kotlin seems to be very popoular right now. I am going to have a look at it, some tipps?

When you've mastered JAVA, but now KOTLIN becomes famous, the situation be like this ☹️

Here it is, Kotlin is now officially supported language for Android development

This is first month Kotlin has entered Tiobe top 50 languages (at position 41) ❤️surpassing Clojure, Rust and others.
Way to go Kotlin.

#Kotlin new language for Android.
Get ready android developers... 😊

Java 8 to Java 11 all in under a year. Convince me this isn't the Angular team working on Java. There are the ones with a knack for teleporting versions. Honestly I could give less care on what newer changes occur cause....Kotlin baaby!

The most fun I ever had coding was when I first discovered Kotlin. After using java for most of the time I've been programming, Kotlin felt like a godsend. When working on converting one of my old projects, I was amazed by the reduced verbosity and just how clean it felt.

To any devs that still use java at all, do yourself a favour and take a look at Kotlin (kotlinlang.org)

Anyone tried kotlin? Thoughts?

Hi, so I want to get into Android App development.
I know the basics of Java and I have already written some simple apps with Java.

However I would like to get more serious with it and now I wonder if I should directly start writing apps in Kotlin or if I should write them in Java.

If I don't know Java and no plan to learning it how should i learn kotlin?
No experience with c or c++ either. No programming experience at all. Because HTML and CSS aren't programming so yeh. plan to learn JavaScript next month after my fucking exam.

Your thoughts on Kotlin please :)

Started making an Android app for the first time a few days ago and wanted a button in a fragment to trigger a function. Easy enough right? Well not for me...

-Thought if the button is in fragment_xyz.xml the function should be in xyz.kt right?
-Wrote the function and told the button to run it when clicked.
-Tested the button and the app crahsed.
-Spent 3+ hours trying to find the bug.
-Eh fuck it might as well copy paste it from the fragments file to the action the viewpager showing the fragment is on.
-Works perfectly fine first try.
-😑

I spent three fucking hours googling that and trying to debug that while I could have been doing so much more on ither parts of the app...
I mean at least I know now for the future?

Has someone here already used jsoup? 🤔🤔