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So I need to create a nice new web app. Let's look at some cool JS frameworks that I can work with.
*5 mins later* Hm, Angular sounds good, is there any good competitor?
*5 mins later* Wow, React sounds awesome as well. Let me learn it.
Google search result:
"Planning to use react? Check out Vue JS first"
*5 mins later* Ok so vue seems faster than React and much easier to learn. Let me see if Vue is the final choice.
Google search result:
"Angular VS Knockout VS Ember VS React VS Mithril VS Mercury VS Ractive VS Vue VS Riot"
Nope, fuck it61 -
Let's make a drinking game!
We will say random words. If there is a JavaScript framework with that name we have to take a shot.
20 minutes later we will need a liver transplant.15 -
Me: Let's use some framework to make things easier and faster!
Boss: No, we will do everything on our own, because when you quit your job I won't find anyone who knows that framework to replace you.
Me: But you won't find anyone who knows our custom solutions even more...4 -
This Christmas, I hereby call for a total and complete shutdown of new css/js frameworks until we can figure out what the hell is going on.5
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- Hmmm, react is not as difficult as I thought. Good tool, let's use it.
- Hmmm, Vue is amazing, let's use this instead, much easier.
- Hmmm, Angular 4 is out, let's retire to a deserted island and sell coconut water for a living.10 -
Saw a guy asking on LinkedIn for PHP frameworks. He was currently using notepad++ as framework.
Say what... 🤓13 -
Ten hours of making a fully responsive website for a gf's university class in only pure HTML and CSS made me realize how much I take frameworks for granted.18
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Looking at the number of JavaScript frameworks that are popping up these days..
a day will come, when human race will get extinct and only JS frameworks will survive like cockroaches..!!3 -
Never jump on to the framework bandwagon.
Use the frameworks that you really want to use.
I'm looking at you, JavaScript frameworks.2 -
Someone here recommended me vue.js as an alternative to React and Angular.
Sorry I can't remember who you are, but thanks.
Vue.js is indeed awesome!6 -
So...
I'm looking for my first job as a web developer. I kept seeing these rants about how horrible and frustrating job searching is, all of which I thought were greatly exaggerated. They're all just jokes and memes, right?
Nope.
Every fucking meme seems to be true.
- Junior developer with +4 years of experience, expert in their field - check!
- Listing requirements for 6 different jobs under "Full-stack developer" - check!
- "Expert developer required ASAP" - $10/hour - check!
- 100% remote ... *scrolls all the way down* ... for 2 days of the week - check!
- Entry level font-end position - must be an expert in Vue, Angular, React, AWS, Drupal, Wordpress, PHP, Python, ES9+, OOP, TDD, BDD - check!
- "Cool" description written in js code with no indentation - check!
And I'm not seeing these every once in a while or something like that. No. Most of the posts are like this. I thought I may just be underqualified since I've never had a real job before, but this just seems crazy to me...5 -
I’ve begun to notice a distinct pattern with devs. I realise it has probably always been there but Im just thinking out loud as Ive started to actively notice it.
*Dev has literally one problem with a library/framework/environment*
“Holy crap <NAME> is the worst thing ever!! its actually worse than an STD. whoever made it needs to quit making software and become a goat farmer” (paraphrasing of course)
What is it with us that the second we have difficulty with a library or framework we immediately brand it as a cancerous polyp on the anus of humanity?8 -
"This framework does what we want but let's not use it as we don't fully understand what's going on. It's better to write our own".
Me:
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I stared at the errors with the hope that they would go away. And my friend did this.
Now the errors are gone.
Bad day
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From 'Javascript' then 'jquery' 😬 then 'angular 1' 😐..wait their is 'angular 2' damn this just a new framework compared to angular 1.(back-end) 'Nodejs' 😩, wait! you have to learn 'Express' after sometime upgrade to 'Hapi' wait now am on 'loopback' can't we just have one standard framework 😣😣😣
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finished learning a framework/plugin.. *feel like boss* 😎
bam! new version with breaking changes.. *feel like sobbing* 😭7 -
"Hard times make good developers
Good developers create good frameworks
Good frameworks create bad developers
Bad developer make hard times" - Wisdom from internet3 -
*Looks up advice on how to implement something
*Finds reasonable, well written advice on Stack Overflow that recommends not using <insert latest framework here>
*Ignores advice
*Two hours of exasperated coding and git resets later
*Goes back and upvotes advice -
got given the job of removing a menu link on a site my company hadn't built today.
biggest pile of dung ever! the site had folders for 5 different back end languages all full of random files not in use.
I dug around and found it was using a big framework that produces a massive single variable and outputs it as the page.
Eventually I realised this wasn't in use either but was still being loaded in the site! in fact the site even has a database and an admin login but the stupid original dev hard coded all the content in and runs includes to files in the admin folder directly from config!
such a confusing, pointless, shit site! Its like building a car and driving it like Fred from the Flintstones....1 -
I've been using microsoft dev stack for as long as i remember. Since I picked up C#/.NET in 2002 I haven't looked back. I got spoiled by things like type safety, generics, LINQ and its functional twist on C#, await/async, and Visual Studio, the best IDE one could ask for.
Over the past few years though, I've seen the rise of many competing open source stacks that get many things right, e.g. command line tooling, package management, CI, CD, containerization, and Linux friendliness. In general many of those frameworks are more Mac friendly than Windows. Microsoft started sobering up to this fact and started open sourcing its frameworks and tools, and generally being more Mac/Linux friendly, but I think that, first, it's a bit too late, and second, it's not mature yet; not even comparable to what you get on VS + Windows.
More recently I switched jobs and I'm mainly using Mac, Python, and some Java. I've also used node in a couple of small projects. My feeling: even though I may be resisting change, I genuinely feel that C# is a better designed language than Java, and I feel that static type languages are far superior to dynamic ones, especially on large projects with large number of developers. I get that dynamic languages gives you a productivity boost, and they make you feel liberated, but most of the time I feel that this productivity is lost when you have to compensate for type safety with more unit tests that would not be necessary in a static type language, also you tend to get subtle bugs that are only manifested at runtime.
So I'm really torn: enjoy world class development platform and language, but sacrifice large ecosystem of open source tools and practices that get the devops culture; or be content with less polished frameworks/languages but much larger community that gets how apps should be built, deployed, monitored, etc.
Damn you Microsoft for coming late to the open source party.11 -
Some honest to God declarations are in place here! Hope no new js frameworks get added before this rant is seen.
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Updated a website for an older client today. Realized I originally wrote their website in 2002.
That web site is a fucking non-responsive piece of shit... but it is still running normally after 18 years.
Just HTML/CSS and some light JS/PHP for form processing. It's not fancy but it still performs and works perfect on Desktop and OK on mobile. Mobile devices which DID NOT EXIST when I wrote it.
Let this be a lesson to the entire new class of developers who seems to think you need some framework to develop. You don't. And I GUARANTEE if that site used any framework that framework would have been retired or updated to un-useability 10 years ago.
Meanwhile my LAMP ass "web native" shit spaghetti with ZERO DEPENDENCIES is still just chugging the fuck along.5 -
oh, it got better!
One year ago I got fed up with my daily chores at work and decided to build a robot that does them, and does them better and with higher accuracy than I could ever do (or either of my teammates). So I did it. And since it was my personal initiative, I wasn't given any spare time to work on it. So that leaves gaps between my BAU tasks and personal time after working hours.
Regardless, I spent countless hours building the thing. It's not very large, ~50k LoC, but for a single person with very little time, it's quite a project to make.
The result is a pure-Java slack-bot and a REST API that's utilized by the bot. The bot knows how to parse natural language, how to reply responses in human-friendly format and how to shout out errors in human-friendly manner. Also supports conversation contexts (e.g. asks for additional details if needed before starting some task), and some other bells and whistles. It's a pretty cool automaton with a human-friendly human-like UI.
A year goes by. Management decides that another team should take this project over. Well okay, they are the client, the code is technically theirs.
The team asks me to do the knowledge transfer. Sounds reasonable. Okay.. I'll do it. It's my baby, you are taking it over - sure, I'll teach you how to have fun with it.
Then they announce they will want to port this codebase to use an excessive, completely rudimentary framework (in this project) and hog of resources - Spring. I was startled... They have a perfectly running lightweight pure-java solution, suitable for lambdas (starts up in 0.3sec), having complete control over all the parts of the machinery. And they want to turn it into a clunky, slow monster, riddled with Reflection, limited by the framework, allowing (and often encouraging) bad coding practices.
When I asked "what problem does this codebase have that Spring is going to solve" they replied me with "none, it's just that we're more used to maintaining Spring projects"
sure... why not... My baby is too pretty and too powerful for you - make it disgusting first thing in the morning! You own it anyway..
Then I am asked to consult them on how is it best to make the port. How to destroy my perfectly isolated handlers and merge them into monstrous @Controller classes with shared contexts and stuff. So you not only want to kill my baby - you want me to advise you on how to do it best.
sure... why not...
I did what I was asked until they ran into classloader conflicts (Spring context has its own classloaders). A few months later the port is not yet complete - the Spring version does not boot up. And they accidentally mention that a demo is coming. They'll be demoing that degenerate abomination to the VP.
The port was far from ready, so they were going to use my original version. And once again they asked me "what do you think we should show in the demo?"
You took my baby. You want to mutilate it. You want me to advise on how to do that best. And now you want me to advise on "which angle would it be best to look at it".
I wasn't invited to the demo, but my colleagues were. After the demo they told me mgmt asked those devs "why are you porting it to Spring?" and they answered with "because Spring will open us lots of possibilities for maintenance and extension of this project"
That hurts.
I can take a lot. But man, that hurts.
I wonder what else have they planned for me...11 -
One day I will make my very own js framework and I will make a built in function to automatically make to-do lists. I will provide a 1 line tutorial and claim it is the best.
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Dear people who create frameworks and libraries,
Please don't advertise your stuff as 'super easy to use', 'incredibly lightweight', 'no configuration needed', 'seamless integration' and shit like this. We all know it's a big fat fucking lie. Just be honest and write 'it supposed to be all-purpose but won't solve your problem', 'a huge fucking chaotic mess', 'slow as shit', 'will eat up all your resources', 'might be good but we've lost the documentation' or 'actually worse than vanilla'. If you'd do this, the world would be a better place.
Thanks,4 -
Comment of the week! I'm so sad he didn't catch the reference, but if the guy offers to teach him I'm down to learn 😂
On another note I can't blame him, I probably would have run npm -i gamma 😅
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Software Engineering in future is just "Framework of frameworks" or one could say.. "Library of Libraries"...1
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So I always start learning JS frameworks and end up getting confused by their syntax among other things. Do you guys know of any good websites to learn vanilla JS? My problem is that I probably don't know enough of vanilla and end up getting flustered.11
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Anyone else make the weirdest workarounds ever to trivial framework problems. Then read documentation to find out that there was a function for that...
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After doing some Vue, I probably will go with laravel for the backend.
I'm excited about that, but it feels just right.18 -
Why do people mix JS vanilla with framework syntax? That's horrible.
Why do people use jQuery anyways? There's no need at all anymore. It is just dumb JS for dumb devs.
Did that trigger you? - well....7 -
My colleague does not use git (well, not for much), hates all external frameworks, and when he sees my code he tells me "that's not how I would have done this", every single goddamn time. Aaand we are the only two developers in our company.4
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999 frameworks that do the same thing and every year 1 of them becomes the fad and many things written in last year's fad gets rewritten in new one.2
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I honestly don't get the idea behind JavaScript frameworks. Like, if JavaScript on its own is really so bad that it's only usable for front-end devs with a framework.. why has nobody considered committing back their changes into JavaScript itself? Makes life easier for everyone.
Also, regarding the framework.. as far as I understand it's a bunch of functions that you load in, right? But do you really need all of those, to the point where the unused ones are justifiable? And wouldn't it make more sense to write them yourself as you need them? I mean that's at least the idea of functions in languages like Bash or C or whatever.
What's the point of frameworks?37 -
I've worked on dozens of projects now and I have tried using several CSS frameworks. Every time I experienced using a framework much more of a hustle than using custom CSS for the design. If your design gets a little bit more complex or unusual you will spent hours on fixes.
For me the times of frameworks in CSS have passed.
Tough I kinda like Vuetify, but then I haven't used it on big projects yet.7 -
Founder : You have been appointed as intern and will be working with our web and Backend engineering team.
Me:(excited)updates LinkedIn profile to 'web developer intern at {{name}}'
Founder: You have misrepresented your internship, pls remove web developer intern.
Me: (What? confused) Updates LinkedIn to 'Intern at {{name}}'
LinkedIn : Congratulate {{me}} for been promoted as intern at {{name}}.
Everyone's congratulating me now.
Me: Shut up everyone.!! And first you LinkedIn.1 -
Which framework can jump the most?
Java Spring Framework.
Which framework can store hot water?
Python Flask
Which framework is believed to cause extinction of dinosaurs?
Meteor JS
Which script devs like to drink the most?
Coffeescript1 -
I will say that with c# it is nice that you are primarily only learning one framework which is .NET. With node I have had to learn express, sails, meteor and socket. With php I have had to learn codeigniter, symfony, laravel and lumen. I am so tired of having to learn one to two different frameworks at every job.23
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Did a lot of IT coordination and managing web sites as a Webmaster the last 3 years.
Now every other company wants me to know every damn framework and multiple years of experience in each... Well I know fuckin' HTML 5 and CSS3 and some JavaScript and can create most web sites easily.
Feeling like 13 yo kids with some Angular 2 skills take all my jobs. Thank you, NOT! -
JS frameworks.
it's great how most are easy to use and very useful.
i dont know why people hate this abundance of choice, if theres too many for you to chose than you need to be more decisive.5 -
Everyone I work with: If we use <framework> then we can solve <insert complex low level issue>.
Me: That is great but what is the actual solution design?
Evwryone: We use <framework> to solve <issue>.
Me: Yeah I get that.... But how? What is the plan? The architecture of this new system to support <framework> and are there issues that get created?
Everyone: If we use <framework> we won't have the issue we are talking about.5 -
Save everything.
My angular app gives errors.
Go to vscode do a ctrl+s on any file
And it works!
Anyone?3 -
am i loosing too much sleep over the idea that JavaScripters with their fat atom/electron are going to dominate the app stores of app/windows in the next few years ?3
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You make a platformer game and prototype open source and someone uses it and people assume i must be upset because they "stole" my idea. Wtf, i made it fpr the community to make something cool and thats it!3
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What To Learn?
I'm a beginner in web development and have knowledge about html, css, JavaScript, jQuery, Sass, NodeJS, Express, MongoDB, Passport. You can consider me to be a beginner full stack developer, but I'm confused about what to learn further. There are so many front end frameworks that one can spend his entire life learning them. React, Vue, Angular, Backbone, etc. But I always want to learn backend properly, then there's Rails, PHP, SQL, Python. Can anyone atleast tell me what to learn and why exactly? This thing's making me mad and anxious.24 -
no matter what fucking framework you use, or what shitty thing you build with your stupid framework, if you don't have a sound knowledge of Javascript, you are just a FUCKING ASSHOLE AND A DUMB SCAMMER. YOU WOULD BE USELESS AND JOBLESS IF NOT FOR THE ASSHOLES WHO HELPED YOUR HOPELESS LAZY LIFE3
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Aight devs, let's start a war.
Throw at me your best UI framework yet.
Anything (except game engines), cross platform preferable.
++ for why and how easy/hard to learn.26 -
Can't help but when watch most profiles(some exceptions)of ranters I see are front end developers. Aren't here some guys who work on developing frameworks, work on linux kernels or maybe work on linux distros?
P.S.: I love RoR and will contribute to make it better. So the image.
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That moment a non dev friend wants to get into web dev and ask you want he needs, you give him a list with 5 languages, 20 libraries/frameworks to use, 8 tools, 25 devices to use to test and a letter saying "Good luck learning all of that"1
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You don't want to learn any of the existing JavaScript frameworks? Just create your own framework and use it...6
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C: what technologies are you using in this product?
Me: we are using celery which uses kombu to communicate through redis. Additionally, we have beat tasks that run and check the state of workers
C: was someone hungry when they named these frameworks?
Me: Possibly, but I just got hungry naming them. -
I like building large apps in flat php.
I get bullied for not using OOP / Frameworks.
I don't like this.5 -
Worst meeting:
Trying to decide which front end JavaScript framework to use.
Debated about Knockout, Angular, React, etc.
Decision: Too fat frameworks, DIY using jQuery. I wonder how big and unstable is our DIY framework. Is it even a framework? Just few organically written script files.6 -
Everybody trying to create THEIR own universal platform so we must choose which universal platform is more universal than others1
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That moment when you feel that you are a great developer ready to do some pull requests to the framework you are using and then you check the source code of it and wonder if that's even the same language.
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Toooooooooootal (IDE)Eclipse, it’s a toooootal (IDE)Eclipse, it’s a toooooootal (IDE)Eclipse of the !moon 🎶
Made this an afternoon after work (several months ago), listening to Klaus Nomi :3
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I really hate PHP frameworks.
I also often write my own frameworks but propriety. I have two decades experience doing without frameworks, writing frameworks and using frameworks.
Virtually every PHP framework I've ever used has causes more headaches than if I had simply written the code.
Let me give you an example. I want a tinyint in my database.
> Unknown column type "tinyint" requested.
Oh, doctrine doesn't support it and wont fix. Doctrine is a library that takes a perfectly good feature rich powerful enough database system and nerfs it to the capabilities of mysql 1.0.0 for portability and because the devs don't actually have the time to create a full ORM library. Sadly it's also the defacto for certain filthy disgusting frameworks whose name I shan't speak.
So I add my own type class. Annoying but what can you do.
I have to try to use it and to do so I have to register it in two places like this (pseudo)...
Types::add(Tinyint::class);
Doctrine::add(Tinyint::class);
Seems simply enough so I run it and see...
> Type tinyint already exists.
So I assume it's doing some magic loading it based on the directory and commend out the Type::add line to see.
> Type to be overwritten tinyint does not exist.
Are you fucking kidding me?
At this point I figure out it must be running twice. It's booting twice. Do I get a stack trace by default from a CLI command? Of course not because who would ever need that?
I take a quick look at parent::boot(). HttpKernel is the standard for Cli Commands?
I notice it has state, uses a protected booted property but I'm curious why it tries to boot so many times. I assume it's user error.
After some fiddling around I get a stack trace but only one boot. How is it possible?
It's not user error, the program flow of the framework is just sub par and it just calls boot all over the place.
I use the state variable and I have to do it in a weird way...
> $booted = $this->booted;parent::boot();if (!$booted) {doStuffOnceThatDependsOnParentBootage();}
A bit awkward but not life and death. I could probably just return but believe or not the parent is doing some crap if already booted. A common ugly practice but one that works is to usually call doSomething and have something only work around the state.
The thing is, doctrine does use TINYINT for bool and it gets all super confused now running commands like updates. It keeps trying to push changes when nothing changed. I'm building my own schema differential system for another project and it doesn't have these problems out of the box. It's not clever enough to handle ambiguous reverse mappings when single types are defined and it should be possible to match the right one or heck both are fine in this case. I'd expect ambiguity to be a problem with reverse engineer, not compare schema to an exact schema.
This is numpty country. Changing TINYINT UNSIGNED to TINYINT UNSIGNED. IT can't even compare two before and after strings.
There's a few other boots I could use but who cares. The internet seems to want to use that boot function. There's also init stages missing. Believe it or not there's a shutdown and reboot for the kernel. It might not be obvious but the Type::add line wants to go not in the boot method but in the top level scope along with the class definition. The top level scope is run only once.
I think people using OOP frameworks forget that there's a scope outside of the object in PHP. It's not ideal but does the trick given the functionality is confined to static only. The register command appears to have it's own check and noop or simply overwrite if the command is issued twice making things more confusing as it was working with register type before to merely alias a type to an existing type so that it could detect it from SQL when reverse engineering.
I start to wonder if I should just use columnDefinition.
It's this. Constantly on a daily basis using these pretentious stuck up frameworks and libraries.
It's not just the palava which in this case is relatively mild compared to some of the headaches that arise. It's that if you use a framework you expect basic things out of the box like oh I don't know support for the byte/char/tinyint/int8 type and a differential command that's able to compare two strings to see if they're different.
Some people might say you're using it wrong. There is such a thing as a learning curve and this one goes down, learning all the things it can't do. It's cripplesauce.10 -
When another "front-end developer" appends the entire bootstrap CSS file to your templates because it needs to align two elements. To templates that never included any css framework cuz i hate them... Then he asked me for help because it did not work... I fixed an invalid CSS file reference.
FUCK HIS LIFE
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I knew AngularJS, just learnt Angular. Realized what typescript is and how amazing it is. I am a .Net guy so creating lambda functions in typescript made me excited lol. It's a little frustrating to write "imports" in every TS file though. Can now add ✔️Angular and ✔️typescript to my resume 😉. Starting with Vue.JS as soon as I am done playing with Angular.2
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Uuugh... 'come let's build a standard with in the company'
Two ( and I kid you not) weeks later, we don't get it anymore let's build a new standard4 -
Am I the only one who finds single page website designs too boring and generic? Frameworks, on one side, increase our overall productivity but on the other side kill all our creativity.7
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It's official. I've hit javascript ~fatigue~. *Burnout*. STAAAAHP with all the frameworks and libraries and weirdly named stuff. To quote Abe Simpson: "I used to be with it, but then they changed what *it* was. Now what I'm with isn't *it*, and what's *it* seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you...".
I need to switch gears.1 -
I wish we’d stop coming up with “the new best js framework out there” every fucking quarter of the year2
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Frontend double standards: havind two CSS frameworks on THE SAME FREAKING PROJECT, with arbitrary usage!!!!11one5
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Now I know Node.js and PHP as well.
Convince me why I should use Node.Js and other frameworks over PHP and related frameworks.6 -
Several JavaScript Frameworks / Libraries keep springing up everyday! After learning Angular, everyone is saying it's fading and React has taken over.
What's fucking wrong with Front end?!!15 -
!rant but question to you experts:
Hey, guys. I'm currently trying to up my game in terms of web development. I already know js, html, php and css quite well (enough to become a tutor at my university) but I'm not shure which frameworks (serverside and clientside) are worth considering. Until now I wrote everything from scratch, which is not very sustainable (waaaay to much code to maintain)
Could you please tell me your softwarestacks, what library to use, which frameworks to learn (Vue/React/Angular/...)? Every opinion is very appreciated and won't go unheard. Thanks in advance.
btw: you guys are the nicest people I ever met online. Thank you for being so awesome.1 -
Which PHP framework should I use for my school project?
Currently I have zero experience with any PHP framework, so that isn't a factor in deciding what I should pick.
For a school project I'm developing a system that creates a new and "better" user interface for using the electronic lockers. I've found out how these electronic lockers worked and I've built a functional prototype with plain PHP and JS, so without any PHP frameworks.
Because this project is for a pretty big school assignment where research is a big factor (bigger then final product), I want to do some research about PHP frameworks and which one would be 'best'.
The system is quite easy,
- it has a login/register system
- stores some basic data in a MySQL database such as the locker and user data.
- it sends some web requests with php_curl to actually open the lockers.
I'm not really doing the research to find a '3000 times performance increase' or something likje that, but more finding the "best way" to create this project.10 -
Is it reeeeaaaallllyyy that fuckin hard to use just one js framework on one page?!
Yeah, I know project has several included (for legacy reasons) but that doesn't mean it's ok to mash em all up together on one fuckin page!!!! WTF!? Or at least implement it correctly ffs!! Pissed af!! -
I've seen developers offering to build limited websites for $5 on Fiverr. How can they do that? They must be using templates and frameworks pretty heavily to work at scale for those prices, surely?5
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You know what I've noticed? I've been applying for jobs lately, and it has occurred to me that most job postings for software developer require proficiency in a framework instead of a language.
Do these people even know what the fuck they want? If I know the fucking language then I can pick up the god damn framework pretty damn quickly
😠 Fucking douche bags!
... 😧 ok I'm done1 -
Hello guys. A newbie to the app. I would like to ask - start a conversation with you about adopting new technologies, if should we follow or just wait? I am a PHP developer. I would set myself around mid to senior level. Since I graduated and I start working on a Marketing/Development Company, I have been develop a lot of websites, platforms with pure PHP, JavaScript, SQL. Later I start using framework like laravel. Now I am thinking about JS frameworks such as node, vue, react, angular and maybe later noSQL. The problem is that there are many new technologies that companies required when you apply. I want to learn new technologies but I don't know if that would be helpful than focus on LAMP and get better and better to that. Many orgs have implemented their own technologies and each company is getting mad to it. You see each company adapt these new technologies even if they don't want em or projects required it. So my question is: are we talking about dramatically speed and light use to server when we use new frameworks like these, previous mentione + etc? Or companies are just trying to look cool by mentioning many techologies while projects could never ask for em? (Nothing serious, I am just trying to make conversation and clear my thoughts by getting others opinion)17
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We are working on an AngularJs 1.x project for a long time now. Maybe we’ll use it forever because we will never be allowed to rewrite the whole app with much timely tools 💆🏻♀️
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Let's pick a datepicker for the project. Me: jquery-ui ? Supervisor: No something better.
Jquery-ui: any css selector, standard date format masks (dd/mm/yyyy or mm-dd-yyyy....), Opens if the field is access using Tab key
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Frameworks for Mobile Hybrid Apps.
So we are considering to migrate our native Android app to a Hybrid because the app almost entirely consists of webviews.
what do you think will be the best choice to try.
in terms of performance, documentation, community, ease of writing and maintaining code15 -
I remember studying up on web dev by myself, got advanced into php and all frontend stuff js, jquery, css, html. Coz all jobs in the country wanted those exact stuff. I got a job, 1.5 years later tried to look for other jobs, everyone wanted react, angular, vue, node... fucking market outdates u as u are working. Dont u hate that6
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Well thanks....
So I might be a complete useless noob, but android studios help messages are not really helping at the moment either.. 😅
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Isn't it fun when you are given a library or framework and that in order to debug it you have to use some hacky way of hooking the code to a special instance of the project?
Even more fun: the developers by default don't debug the project with tools, but rather with logic. Ok, that's a good way to debug but it shouldn't be the only way to debug. I don't want to go back to the age of coding on paper. At least give me a stacktrace that's halfway clear on what's happening there. Even worse is when the framework doesn't document its own problems! stacktrace.someMagicalMethodNoOneKnowsWhatItDoes(). Having to read the even more mystic and overly verbose documentation! You're just left there trying and guessing shit, even for the senior devs!
And do you know what's more fucked up?! Fucking using println() to debug!! And they take this shit seriously! I don't understand how these people call themselves programmers. No breakpoints? What the fuck, man!
Just give me Visual Studio for fuck's sake. I don't want to code in a broken IDE with a broken framework. Development on its own is already hard enough, so don't make it harder by giving me crappy frameworks and crappy IDE's that only work half the time.
Debugging without a debugger, with broken IDE's, with broken frameworks, I'm sorry but that's just not for me. And then the framework dares advertise that it 'lets the developer focus on business code!' (how many times have you heard this crap before?). Right, the only thing I focus on constantly is trying to figure out why their broken framework doesn't work.
Arghhh. -
The Java framework we're working with at our company is so complicated that it doubles as a steganographic device to conceal software.
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Am I the only one who thinks cmd is better than powershell?
P.S. I do not use windows as my daily OS either, just on College pc.3 -
Trying to get some cool project for fun using CSS framework. Don't want to use bootstrap. What's fancy yet powerful for a basic HTML/CSS site maybe with some jQuery/JS?9
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!Question.
Why Web Designs are all the same ? Is it Bootstrap & Cie's fault or the Web Designers one ?4 -
So today my internship started and I'm to install virtual box and vagrant ok that's simple😊 now it's what comes after that's got me shitting myself laravel/homestead 😟 never heard of it 😨 themosis never heard of it and what the fuck is stylus... I got a lot of catching up to do3
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What is your opinion on frameworks? Like materialize, semantic-ui, zend, bootstrap and so on? Just looking into them and I think they are quite nice for small projects for yourself.1
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I am supposed to conduct an Angular2 workshop for my juniors. Just found out that their subjects had changed and they don't know HTML or js, only C.
Why do they do it? How am I supposed to teach them Typescript,Object oriented,HTML, basic Nodejs, Angular in 4 hrs... -
I work at company that uses Drupal for everything. And i mean EVERYTHING. Our dumb CTO once even wanted us to join tender for flight data collection system... of course it would run on fucking drupal...
Yeah i can see its advantages but it has learning curve the shape of the snail shell and if you want it to do something new you either find module for it or drupal will start crying, shits itself and tell you to go fuck yourself.. also it is full of surprises to make your day as miserable as possible, like you send variable as $content['varname'] to user template and it returns as $user_profile['varname']['value']... and yes user template has $content array for content but why use it for storing content that i want to render.. it is used for other content to render... because in drupal content != content...
I started using laravel for my freelance projects and it took my less than 2 week to get up to speed and start working and is incredible fast to work in... You know.. its fun when you want to just add feature you just code that feature into your app.. and not spend 2 fucking years crawling through retarded preprocess functions...
Whenever i try to suggest we use other frameworks.. "Muh drupal has MODULES".. yeah because drupal is the only thing in universe that has modules.. When client has only need for simple site with simple template why use wordpress and have it done in 2 days when you can use drupal have 10 000 unnecessary DB queries that drupal does on every page load to load page title and make that site in a week.. or why use laravel for e-shop with specific functionality requested by client that would take 2 weeks to add in laravel when you can spend 2 months modifing uber-cart or drupal commerce modules only to hit some Drupal core surprise that wont allow for that feature to be implemented...3 -
Leadership has decided we do only Django from now on if we do tailored software. My supressed rage when I just brought in tons of cash with not-Django tailored software.
How many big profitable companies got that big doing just one thing?1 -
When recruiters put json and rest APIs on higher priority than frameworks and stacks.
Do they even know how simple are those APIs comparing to frameworks!?2 -
Prigression is stopped at the current job. I work with PHP, java and other related languages aaand jquery. I feel like I should start learning vue/angular and rewrite the 2000line jquery mess i have now for one of the projects.
Working as a freelancer after work - how do you guys find time to learn new languages/libraries and have a life at the same time?2 -
My standard pattern for using 'time saving' things (frameworks, scripts, new technologies) seems to be:
1) Get excited by how easy <new thing> is to use.
2) Spend the next 12 hours trying to work out how to work with this new shit.
3) Realise I'm now further back than I started.
Today has been docker.
Easy to run my new Wildfly docker container.... can I find the IP address to connect to? Can I fuck.3 -
!rant
I swear web frameworks are popping up faster than I can catch up, I mean I'm not even done learning react 😭 usually made projects in ASP.NET MVC with just jquery and it just feels like a lot of work to create more layers on the front end as well. Advice needed if you work on both front and back end what js frameworks do you use, and from experience which would you prefer?3 -
I cringe every time I see someone joke about a new "framework" coming out every other day.
This is a serious problem, guys! Instead of piling up crappy, undocumented "frameworks", why not go to one that works well, and improve it.
It's a lot easier to learn how to design and develop when you're working with others who have been at it a lot longer than you.1 -
When the framework you're using decides to work in UTC after 5 years of using default system timezone. And instead of giving you the option to change timezone, hardcore enforces it by:
os.environ['TZ'] = 'UTC'
time.tzset()
For people who don't know python.. It basically tells your code that your system time is set to UTC (ingnoring the right timezone)
Now we get one bug after another because of this undocumented shitty change without changes in how time fields behave in different client timezones.
😒🔫
(Don't get me wrong, using UTC is logical however not in an existening application and forcing devs to rewrite all code that handles time fields)1 -
Just began to learn Node.js. Wondering why the modules aren't named starting with an uppercase letter.1
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What are your thoughts about Symfony VS Laravel?
I prefer Laravel. It is much simpler than Symfony but most enterprises are using Symfony. However Laravel is keeping up also (gaining a lot of traction and users).
Laravel = Symfony on Steroids
I wonder why so many people prefer Laravel?
Who's a hardcore Symfony user here? I experienced using both but I prefer Laravel.
Right now I'm studying NodeJS, Express, Angular as it is more popular than Symfony. Also most requiremetns in job posting nowadays.
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!Rant
I know this is not the place for these questions, but:
1. If we have frameworks like React Native, why going native?
2. Why doesn't Google or Apple support these kinds of frameworks rather investing in developing their own languages (in-case of Swift)
I searched for many articles but need a pro opinion from you guys4 -
So many choices for backend I'm fucking confused. Yesterday, I tried Django and i found it little similar to RoR(in generating things, db migration things).
I'm currently working in NodeJS.
I even don't know should I rant or cry.
And of course frontend is another thing same like this.....
And I'm not much experienced to differentiate them and know which is better and where it will fit.
Can anyone tell me in simple way which framework fits where?1 -
Honestly, people who think “vanillaJS da way” and heavily work with HTML strings are a danger to human kind.
You’re basically running around with a shirt saying “I love using eval wherever possible”2 -
I really tried to give tailwind a chance. I gave my best to start using it....
I hate it. It sucks. It makes my design process slow as fuck. Fuck of with this shit.5 -
I've been wandering around with a brain itch for the past few days trying to pick an API framework.
I wanted to something fast and async, so I would normally use Go, but it's an interface to a python project, so I had to find a good asynchronous python web server.
Twisted provides async options, but they aren't baked in, and tornado/cyclone/airohttp are written in a weird way for someone coming from flask/Django.
Finally I resolved to use Falcon, because it was built for APIs and async by default, but it was crazy verbose to write. I settled in to write it anyway... But then I found the perfect library. Hug: https://github.com/timothycrosley/....
I can finally think clearly.
Now I can finally write my code... At least until I have to pick a framework for the rewrite of the web app.5 -
We feel happy when our some ordinary creation leads..... believe me I never had this intention.
(https://github.com/the-benchmarker/...)
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When shall ye use a framework or when ye shall code all it self?
That's a question I shall ask all ty devRanters for ye who has the knowledge of programming would be kind to share to all others.3 -
People nowadays.
Searched for JS/NodeJs frameworks.
Read the Docs for a couple of minutes and run some examples.
*Opens* CV / Linkedin to update Skillset.
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So with the count of JS/Nodejs Frameworks, they probably have lots skills listed in their CV.2 -
Oooh, boiiii!!!
Finally some sense!
https://jakearchibald.com/2017/...
I'm wishing for more to turn around and get off this hype wagon in a near term.
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One of the most stupid phrases I hear again and again is "to not reinvent the wheel". Guess what, if no one had ever dared to take the first iteration of something, throw it out the window and start from scratch, we'd still be living in the stone age. If you're gonna use a library or a framework, fine, that's totally valid. Just make sure to actually understand the tools and code you're working on. People now tend to use these without knowing exactly what they do. And then once the original authors retire, no one knows what to do if something breaks. There can't be innovation if you don't try to reinvent. Don't shy away from writing from scratch sometimes.
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Does anybody else feel a little sad when reading rants or negative comments concerning frameworks you've used a lot or maybe even more in case you're still using them?
In my particular case I just read some comments tackling Angular - and I do not want to say, that those comments aren't justified. We're currently living in a more than ever fast-paced front end framework world and Angular is simply not state of the art anymore.
So I do not want to start a "what's the best framework" discussion here, that's not my intention.
This is more about the feeling you get when you've built a lot of stuff using a framework, maybe you have still projects running on this framework or even contributed.
Either you do not have the time to switch to another framework yet or you're even still somehow satisfied with the way they're working.
However - reading all this negative stuff about such a framework is sometimes not that easy.
..or am I just some kind of strange, sentimental developer guy? ;D10 -
I want to become Android developer as well as web developer (Full Stack more likely) , So enlightenment me Devs which API , Libraries, Frameworks i should master?10
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Have you ever envied someone that they know more technologies than you? (e.g they know a couple of frameworks that you don't have any idea about)
If you do, what is your response in this situation and why?4 -
lately, I was thinking to practice my coding with responsive front-end frameworks, I will create few demo websites templates/web applications.
any suggestion to responsive front-end framework besides bootstrap which I'm pretty familiar with.4 -
I'm currently starting to develop a simple web app to access a database, just simple read, write, update stuff. Doesn't need to be fancy or anything, just work.
Now I asked a PHP dev I know for help and he told me I should use Symfony and Easy Admin Bundle. I'm not sure rn if it'd be worth it to get to know how to work with frameworks or not. What do you guys think?
Btw, I'm not planning on doing a lot more web development.3 -
I just want to ask fellow Developers here, can you give me a reason why you have to adjust to standards given by frameworks and not to create your own framework because thats just recreating the wheel?
I want to be enlightened as sometimes i tend to be hesitant in learning new frameworks/languages because i find them over-complicating the process on creating an app/software.5 -
It’s funny how new developers are swaying between node and php(laravel) for their first run with api development. Laravels like your hand holding solution to warm you up before you dive in on express. Not shits configured for you with express or Koa. All the ORMs are fucked, everything and I mean everything is a separate npm package totally agnostic to your current environment. There’s barely a set of best practices or directory structure. It’s like being given some clay and water. Figure it out. I would never suggest anyone trying to find confidence in the web dev world to pick up node unless they’re working with an all in one framework like sales.js1
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CSS.... vertical centering back around 2000 before flexbox and frameworks
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Two years without working on web dev. Planning to build a website.
Any frameworks that i should test?8 -
ASP.NET MVC using Razor vs. Web API/JS framework? I know they both have pros and cons depending on the situation but which do you prefer? Go!
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Evolving so fast that we would make frameworks to keep track of frameworks that make their own frameworks out of frameworks.
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Looking for some advice from anyone who has used and transitioned away from Material-ui (React).
https://material-ui.com/
Tasked with removing the Material-ui used in our react project. Old team took shortcuts like using these types of frameworks at every step and the software is brittle.
Any advice from anyone who has ripped Material-ui out of a project.
We are doing this to move away from CSS-in-JS and this is conflicting with every fucking element in the fucking project.
<TextField> with it's special internal props
<Buttons> with its fucking "classes" prop that one take fucking CSS-in-JS
Any advice or just say some random shit or post a GIF for the lulz.
Peace.2 -
Opinions
Hello, I’m considering building a web framework.
My ideal features would be:
Customizable authentication system(considering using a jwt lib)
Embedded DB(bolt db)
ORM( writing my own)
REST api to DB (via code generator)
Code generator(generation of models and views via cli)
GUI to db(some admin dashboard)
CORS(web service right?)
Why?
Ease of development
Fast prototyping of small-medium web services.
Fun.
My question is, do i have to many things on my platter? Should i narrow it down into less featured framework? What feature should I focus on? How should i benchmark it? Should i write tests for absolutely everything or just for exported methods? What should i take into consideration when developing ORM API, Auth API...
The language is Go
Thank you for your input10 -
What causes a mobile app UI to run slow or laggy? and Can a framework cause an app UI to run slow or Laggy?4
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I think it's just me.
Every time I build something I feel as if I completely mess it up. For example, after a few days of working on an Android app after school, I feel like It's already become a mess. Perhaps it is just my aversion to making thousands of classes for every little detail, because I feel as if it would slow down my app (even if it were a minor penalty), but it usually makes for a onStart() function with ~90 lines of code which just makes me feel bad on the inside (and also a bad developer, so I wouldn't dare ask money for an app I built). Either way, if I would add these calls to other functions my Fragment/Activity class would still be fat. Also, typing 'context: Context' or 'Context context' just seems awkward.
I also feel like most frameworks are just a mess. Take Qt, for example. Quite a community touting how great it is (I use KDE Plasma btw) and I'm sure it is. I've got an idea for a desktop app but just the idea of it using some sort of JS (yes, I'm talking about QML which I'm considering) gives me the shivers. I already don't like Electron, so the idea of having JS embedded in a desktop app just doesn't sound right to me. But again, maybe it's just me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯2 -
Why so many weird frameworks and libraries? these days I study so many frameworks and install things and I am actually overwhelmed. Sometimes those things conflict each other and end up messing up my PC. Do frameworks and libraries make dev environment fancy? I am not sure, to me it seems that things are going messy. Please give me fresh perspective.2
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what's up with backend devs getting on rants about frontend frameworks? Don't they use frameworks for developing their precious servers? or do they just write the whole thing from scratch?
Shit tards, frontend development is evolving and for the better, we've got awesome frameworks that help us reduce the amount of code we need to write to attain a functionality and in a way that reduces headaches when building a large application and gives superb consistent performance because the code has been production tested a million times! yeah you can use js to build a frontend because its JS it's what it was designed to do, but tell me how reinventing the wheel everytime you make a frontend is useful, and how that is maintainable in the long run when building a large production frontend?
The modern frameworks, help us write modular and reusable components that can be shared and used by anyone for any of their application. They are arming the web with capabilities that are close to what native apps offer and still you keep bitching about it.1 -
Any recomendations of CSS framework? I'm currently looking at Bulma (for some reason Vue tutorials are using it a lot), but lacks a little bit in documentation.
What I'm looking:
- Minimal size
- Responsive
- Flexbox based
- Not material (please)
- Without annoying dependencies (OPTIONAL)
- Good or some documentation7 -
Here's how my day's been going:
- decided to learn a quite popular JS framework
- installed with official installer
- used official tool to create an empty project
- ERROR! 20mins of debugging fixed it
- followed the getting started guide
- ANOTHER ERROR!
- "I must be doing something wrong"
- pulled the *official* demo project
- A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ERROR!
- "Fuck it! I'm making this from scratch"
(the framework is Meteor, btw. fuck Meteor)9 -
Am I the only one trying to learn angularjs with a 2 month old tutorial and already breaking changes were made. It's soo frustrating I just wanna quit frameworks and do it manually.3
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Frontend Libraries are not all that. Jumped around from react-bootstrap to mdbreact when I first learn software development. Now I know simple old LESS is good enough, when used the right way. Do not overthink projects.2
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Best way to approach updatable custom cms?
I currently have to work with an old cakePHP 1.3 cms tailored for a specific customers. The guy I'm doing development for wants to upgrade and move to another framework and create a new cms. Because this is such a niche specific cms we want to add ability to update the cms from the admin panel, over the air - there are 70-100+ websites at all times up and running and updating them manually is not viable. And probably have modules that would be separate but easily installable from the admin panel. Whats the best approach here? Any good examples already working in the wild? First thing that popped into my mind is opencart with the ocmod for custom mods, the problem being updates for it.3 -
Who does find themselves sailing through the process of 'reinventing the wheel'?
Im not asking about anything specific, but the feelings and doubts whispering that probably you really are going down the rabbit whole by doing so, and so is your free time -or not so free-
The thing is, I don't know if really, really this kind of decisions are genuine when it comes for example to a whole new framework, editor or solution... Its case specific, but I have plenty of hard times to keep on due to family and friends not really understanding what I am doing, specially if its intended for developers to use, makes one feel its just thin air, and I have just me to hold into the strong reasons to do so.
Leave a comment if are also 'reinventing the wheel' in any way or want to share your opinion or story on the matter!6 -
I need to write a standalone server in Java 1.7 and have it
-handle GET urls and map them to different classes/methods
-extract the query params and expose them to the method
-Can respond in JSON by serialising the POJO or a list of them
We have an existing server I think that uses JBoss but takes forever to start and uses a lot of memory.
I also wrote one before with just a (Grizzly?) HttpServer so had to manually implement the above as needed. Only needed it to do one thing so really just 1 path.
Similar situation this time but I'd prefer to not have to implement this stuff manually and need it to be a bit more flexible to extension.7 -
If we really try to reinvent the wheel, and if we did that successfully, I bet it will be 2x better than at least all the unfancy stuff in the dev-market
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Learning vue.js as the moment and loving it. However, it does make me wonder, when using a framework are you essentially cheating?
I wonder if framework only "users" can write raw code outside of a framework?3 -
I started learning Laravel yesterday. I had a couple of set up issues as well as some minor bugs which seem to be version specific. I am really liking it so far.1
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How do folks feel about IoC/DI?
I used Spring and Angular for the first few years of my career, so it seemed like it was a mandatory pattern of a framework and my team would never deploy an app that couldn't use it (even if it was just a Lamda or something, we found smaller DI libraries). Now I work in Express and React, and I look back and feel that those patterns required me to write more code, created more complexity, and wasn't any easier to read or understand, and was way more bug prone, and debugging the injection pipeline itself was effectively not possible.
I guess I'm wondering: what do people feel that it buys them?17 -
Advice needed.
Tell me the difference.
I know the technical difference between Native Android Development using Java and developing for android using cross platform frameworks like Cordova, Ionic, etc.
I am quite comfortable with Java, and am also not a web developer. Should I stick to learn android java more in depth or should I start learning frameworks like phonegap and ionic.
Seeking opinion from career and a professional perspective.3 -
Trying Laravel for a few hours...
God I hate it... everything is in dumb places, need to do 3000 things to get something to work that'd take me 5 things in CakePHP... and my folder structure is already cluttered af D:
How do people like this turd D:14 -
My opinion on CSS & component frameworks?
>Build your own and reuse.
Have I done so? No, but always wanted to and I will have the opportunity to build one next year for a company I work for. Best of all, it will be open sourced.
SUPER EXCITED2 -
Check out this holiday rant/poem from a Front-end developer and colleague:
“Twas a Dev’s Christmas: A Holiday Ode to the Open Source Community” by @warlyware https://levelup.gitconnected.com/tw... -
I hate libraries and frameworks that make it extremely difficult to use them, making it so that you have to hook into them in a hacky number of ways..
Yuck, just give me a regular library that I can use. -
!rant
What are some features that you would like to see in a css framework, that are currently not present in frameworks like bootstrap, foundation, etc?2 -
!=rant
So, my company wants to use MadCap Flare to build our help center. This project is a nightmare so far. I've been trying to push for some better alternatives for down the road. Any recommendations? Preferably a
Some sort of free open source framework. I've seen a couple of developer friendly CMS frameworks pop up lately but just want to get a consensus from my good devrant ppls. -
!IthinkNotRent
Trying to write two player checkers/chess game with PHP
Any ideas about frameworks (maybe js frameworks) that will make my life easier
(No Nodejs plzzz)
Thanks!9
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