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DO YOU FUCKING SERIOUSLY TELL US IN THE SECOND SEMESTER OF OUR MASTERS DEGREE THAT WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL THAT ARRAYS START WITH 0?!?15
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only elon musk is smart enough to realize there are smart people out there who can get shit done without a goddamn fcking degree
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A computer science degree doesn't mean we can fix everything, it just means we can understand how everything went so terribly wrong5
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Hi everybody! I wanted to share this with y'all.
Yesterday I got my Master's Degree, I'm finally free from University!17 -
It is bothersome that a college degree is more important than demonstrable skills.
"You're so smart! Where'd you go to college?"
"I didn't."10 -
JUST GOT MY LAST EXAM RESULTS! FINALLY COMPLETED MY SOFTWARE ENGINEERING DEGREE!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The struggle was real.
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Best: Started Master's Degree in Computer Science
Worst: Started Master's Degree in Computer Science3 -
I wish my bachelor's degree would've been made out of soft paper so it wouldn't scratch too much when I wipe my ass with it :(5
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I self-training on PHP, Ruby, Python, C# during 1 year without knowledge in programming. Now I finally find a job as professionnal web developper, without degree !11
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My asshole coworkers talking about how programmers without a degree are worth shit and cannot achieve anything in industry besides working from startup to startup.
Well, surprise, I'm sitting right next to them, in the same big company and I don't have ANY higher education at all.
Just because I prefer more hands-on experience than theory stuff doesn't make me worse developer than those bastards. I just learn more from working on something, than from sitting in classroom and taking notes.
Fortunately people at HR and boss also valued my previous experience when they hired me, but now having to work with those guys every day is killing me.13 -
Completed a project for my final year CS degree and my professor rejected saying it is of very few lines of code.Hope he learns to evaluate projects on complexity and logic rather than number of lines of code. :/30
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When I see YouTube videos titled "How to get a cs engg degree in 2018 "
My thought : "You should have gone to college in 2014."4 -
Dropped out of college. Got a job. Happily earning while doing what I love doing.
I still meet wise asses who tell me “...but you should still go back and get a degree...just to be safe”.
Shut the fuck up guys, just SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FUCK DEGREES27 -
I left the military to become a dev. With no degree and no professional experience. It's safe to say they thought I was crazy. But now it's safe to say they are proud of me.18
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Final year of my Comp Sci degree and mum still says I shouldn't study on the computer so much.
Last time I checked a sheet of paper doesn't compile C very well4 -
My wife was going to school for a business degree but likes what I do as an engineer. She spent a month or so debating engineering or information security.
Yesterday she changed to a degree in information security.
Today she opens a GitHub and starts learning to program and I'm in love all over again.8 -
1. Unlimited money on bank account
2. Give me master degree
3. Disable remote desktop as “secure environment” at my workplace25 -
(As a CS student in University)
Teacher 1: I am a new teacher and have an electrical subject and I know you guys hate this and love coding so we will code whatever we study in python so you can actually understand what we are studying
Teacher 2: I am a senior teacher and have an super important computer science subject , I will fuck everything up come to lectures read a ppt that I didn't even make and read the ppt in the most monotonous manner humanly possible and fuck everything up and steal your work if your research with me6 -
hi devrant i’ve missed u
since my last post i’ve graduated with my degree in CIT/web-dev & minor in cs!!!!!6 -
Got myself a pair of lovely curved monitors lately... Let's see if they help with finishing my bachelor's thesis. Wish me luck! =)
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>Degree i think im getting: software engineering
>Degree my parents think im getting: repair magic2 -
I don’t have a degree, nor has a degree ever prevented me from being hired / doing my job.
Now that’s not to say all businesses / companies will over look your education section on the CV, But for me it’s never been a problem.
#SelfTaughtDevsMatter4 -
I go to college online and I was really excited to start my classes for my major as I finally wrapped up general ed classes. This is a week 1 assignment for Introduction to Computer Science....
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Finally graduated only to realize that my degree did not provide hard skills, only outdated practices and student loans.2
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As a full-stack dev who has been looking for a full-time role for over half a year now... How the fuck can it be so difficult to land a job as a dev? I'm a passionate, capable, and proven dev; it shouldn't be this hard.
And why the hell are coding/whiteboard interviews the de-facto standard for deciding if somebody is worthy of a role? Whiteboard interviews are as inadequate and unencompassing a means of determining the quality of a candidate as asking a dentist how well they know the organ structure of the human body.
I've applied to an endless number of positions, so far-reaching and desperate as to even apply to international positions and designer roles instead of developer roles (I've been a graphic designer for over 13+ years). Even with this, most don't get back to you, and the few who do most often just notify you of your rejection. On the rare occasion I land an interview, my chances get fucked up by the absurd questions they ask, as if the things they are asking about are at all an appropriate, all-encompassing measure of what I know.
Aren't employers aware that competent devs are able to learn new things and technical nuances nearly instantaneously given documentation or an internet connection? Obviously, I keep learning and getting better after every interview, though it barely helps, when each interviewer asks an entirely new, arbitrary set of questions or problems....
Honestly, fuck the current state of the system for coding job interviews. I'm just about ready to give up. Why the hell did I put myself through 5 years of NYU for a Computer Engineering degree and nearly $100K in student loan debt, if it doesn't help me land a job?13 -
Totally useful!
Master CS Degree.
More knowledge then most coders.
More knowledge on what’s going to come.
No ragrets 🤷♂️
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My parents told everyone at church that I have a computer science degree. I got asked to install security cameras 5 minutes after. Cool :/7
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The only thing I can say with confidence after completing my undergraduate degree in Computer Science is that I can Google better than most peoples.3
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How to vertically center in css..
set "text-align" to center and then rotate your screen by 90 degree. :D6 -
Dude: Hey, can you help me with my website? It's for the final year project (IT and Hardware related degree).
Me: Sure, let me see.
Sends a .txt file with two <html> tags, not even closed.
Dude: Can you fix it so it appears with a menu on the top and news on the middle?
This guy got his degree and I'm pretty sure he doesn't even know how to enter to the BIOS of a computer.
He probably doesn't know what a BIOS is.3 -
Not a rant but I just got offered my first developer job after uni not having a degree in CS!! Beyond excited! 😀😀10
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!rant
Just managed to set up a laravel development server in my raspberry, with a fully functioning private git repo!
(Not having a CS degree nor working in IT... I am very happy with this!)5 -
An un-rant on Universities. (UC Irvine)
A lot of my friends and I are about to graduate 👨🎓 from UCI, with Computer Science degrees.
Most of them are complaining that they don't know any current frameworks, and all that we learned is outdated.
And that pretty much any bootcamper knows more tools that any of us do.
I totally disagree. I don't think it's the university's job to teach you tools (node, tencerflow, ...), rather, I think they made us into programming Swiss Army knifes. I can pick up any framework (I wanna be a web dev) real easy, and when shit breaks down, I can easily figure out the issue.
I think that's the major difference between Computer Scientists and Bootcampers/Programmers. We know "why", while they know "how".
What do you think? Is the current price of a CS degree worth it?22 -
Just because you can learn HTML in a day doesn’t mean that you don’t need a degree.
Did you know that your browser, HTML, CSS, Javascript, and even your operating system use linked lists, binary trees, hash tables, and other so-called “useless” data structures?
It’s important to understand the roots and fundamentals of computer science even if you won’t use that knowledge day to day.
It changes your perspective on programming once you learn what actually goes on under the hood, and makes you think twice about the impact of what you write.
It’s relatively easy to get a programming job without a degree nowadays, but it often leads to web developers claiming that degrees aren’t important to their web apps.
There is much more than just the web to computer science, and that’s something to always keep in mind.11 -
Anyone else sick of all the whining about college on here? It’s a CS degree. They are going to teach you science. Not to mention that Stack Overflow did a survey in 2015 and found that nearly half the developers didn’t have degrees. If you’re so much smarter than your professors then you should have no problem finding a job. Of course, if you’re lucky enough to not have to pay for school; you should just be thankful that you’re a step up in going for management positions and shut up. On the other hand, if you’re paying (going into debt) for school; then maybe you should take a step off the safe and well-trodden path and put a little faith in yourself. There is an abundance of free training online. I thought devs were supposed to be free-spirited rebels. Didn’t any of you see ‘Hackers’?11
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Finish my master degree
Get a good career position (I just joined my first software company)
Saves more money
That’s it for now2 -
Fuck this system. Fuck college. Why the fuck are you making me write hundreds of chemistry assignments and calculating double integrals? How the fuck does that even help me? I seriously feel like college sucks up a huge chunk of my time and I am not learning anything, while I practice Node and Vue at home. Why does that degree hold so much value when most degree holders don't even have skills?25
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Meetings
Past: "I'm encountering this error, blah blah."
Present: "The bot keeps asking irrelevant questions about first degree murders."
I love this project. ❤5 -
Being told that real life experience < school degree.
You couldn't possibly be more fucking wrong.3 -
Realising if you'd only studied a degree in computing, you would be useless in the real world as a developer6
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Just got my masters degree in AI
Now it's time to relax and work on my old old projects that i left 😊12 -
me, when someone yells at me for not able to resolve an "electronic" issue because I'm pursuing a computer science degree
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"yes, a university degree isn't necessary to become successful, but that doesn't mean you can waste your time playing games or watching youtube for half a day.
stop complaining about the system and get your ass to work. do something, anything. stop fucking around with your life."
...is what i told a friend and he hasn't messaged me for 2 weeks. i see him on discord all the time, playing runescape or some shit.
i'm 24 and he's 22. he dropped out because he was too lazy to go to uni every 2 days.5 -
The paradox of not having a college degree, having programming skills, but not being able to get a job.10
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It's not always true that degree holders hate self-taught developers. Sometimes, it's the other way around. When somebody mentions he gained a cs degree, he sometimes gets hate, too, hearing "degrees are useless! yadayada..." like it's a sin to have one. We should never stop learning whether we have a degree or not, and we should stop this hate and divided culture.18
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I've been working towards a degree in CS recently after being out of school nearly 10 years. I've been trying really hard to keep an open mind and not complain about the professors, but I have to let this out.
My one class we have to write all of our code in their specified editor which I hate, but I understand the need for standardization, but then once it is error free we have to copy and paste the code into ms word and turn it in!! Really?! In 2018 I can't just submit my source files and you open them to run and grade? I seriously have to copy my code into ms word for you to grade it? I don't even understand how you would grade that because it kills the formatting and readability, not to mention the quotes get changed to their curly counterpart which isn't valid syntax.7 -
I left uni in 2005 clutching my shiny new .NET based degree, and was instantly hired by a local software firm... to maintain their legacy Turbo Pascal systems.2
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If you don’t have a CS degree... this question isn’t for you to answer with “I don’t have a degree but...”3
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Had last paper today... Finally 4 yrs of engineering comes to an end. I am a proud computer engineer....17
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Will be getting my degree in next 2 months people around me are happy that somebody can finally fix their printers for free.6
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Me: 3 Years of Android Dev exp in business setting, but no degree
Job: wants 1 year of some Android, but Bachelors required- masters if possible
Me: fuck you, I didnt want to code for you anyway6 -
My graduation cap. Just got my degree in CS. As I shook the hand of the Dean of the college, he said "love the cap"
:D
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Go to business school to get a Finance degree... Since you already know how to code, why do you need study CS? Finance is hot now, make $$$$$$4
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I can repair an electronic item, write code and debug. Has a degree in CS so why do I have to ask the wife "baby, how do you operate the washing machine?"5
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When your bitch-ass co-worker inserts something that is plain useless in the program in every degree
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Beating my imposter syndrome at work. Finishing my degree so my coworkers consider me a "real programmer." Having the confidence to do both.4
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A cs degree without indians explaining concepts on Youtube would be much harder.These guys savede so many times.5
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"Aunt": I know that you have a bachelor's degree in computer science so you are smart with the computer...can you help me to pair new universal remote control for my television?1
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!rant
Is a bachelor's degree worth it?
Context:
Up until yesterday, I was planning on not getting a Bacherlor's degree related to programming. I'm currently an intern and I believe that they'll want to keep me afterwards. Even it they don't, my old boss has a junior developer position opening soon and he asked me if I was interested.
I think I'm a good programmer, but I'm not here to boast, but rather, I want to know your opinion:
Is getting a bachelor's degree in software engineering worth it?
I know this topic is not new and has been asked in many forums, but I noticed a repetitive trend: people who have the degree say it's worth it and people who don't say it's not.
TL;DR:
Is getting a bachelor's degree in software engineering worth it? Why?19 -
My CS degree actively worked against me because of where I went to school. I did overcome it, but still, think it would have been about the same if I didn’t have a degree (in terms of what i know, I’ve been salaried as a c++ systems engineer since I was 16)4
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I'm in 3rd year of my CS degree....
Fucking Indian Education System
I'm having a subject css(cryptography & system security)... The bitch who teaches us doesn't know shit.... She just picks random words from the ppt & blabber random bullshit...
Last week we had our unit tests...and the question was explain Working of deffie-helman. Just because I didn't use the names Alice & Bob in the example she didn't gave me marks....I mean wtf..that was just an example mentioned in the slides.....
I bet it wasn't required at all...
I knew most of the things they teach here..
These mofo professors have just a CS degree and they are here to teach the same course....10 -
Master/Slave terms we're just removed from python. Why? Who needed / requested this? Do people not understand these terms to such a degree that they actually offend people?7
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YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY IT IS HARD TO GET A JOB AS JUNIOR DEV? This is because you don't need any knowledge about coding to get the fucking degree!!
I would love to work harder but it should meen something if you own the fucking paper!
Sorry got triggerd after reading another rant!8 -
How important is a degree to get a decent career in IT? Also must you be certified in all the languages?18
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I saw a job I could apply, I matched all the requirements, 100%. Not only the bases requirements, but I also had almost all the extras, and the company was in my country and spoke my language, it's good for me since my English isn't perfect.
I didn't apply because I'll graduate soon and I want to focus on my degree.
I bet that when I graduate all my current knowledge will be obsolete and I'll no find any job - not even if I beg for it - until I starve. Do you want to bet a beer? I'm ready10 -
Currently working as student part timer on a company that I really like.
When I'll finish my bachelor's degree, I will have been there for about 2-3 Years, additional to my 5 years working prior to that as a developer.
Today I learned, that our company doesn't usually pay the market price for devs (not a huge company, 150 employees, so it's understandable).
So now I don't know what to shoot for when discussing a raise after my degree. Should I still aim for market price? Should I argue with that and hope for the best?
I'm really unsure about that stuff...4 -
When high schools hire CS teachers without a teaching degree why should it be a surprise when THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO FUCKING TEACH.12
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>laptop can't handle 3 terminals because cpu is single-core 1.2GHz
>fuck it
stress -c 128 -i 128 -m 16
>second terminal
top
>load average: 272.15, 247.60, 149.80
>CPU is cool after 30 minutes
>how
>picks up laptop from right side
>burned myself
>cpu is on the left under power button, right side has nothing that would get hot???
>takes apart laptop
>second large CPU-like die
wtf.386
>looks up laptop
>floating point/algebraic coprocessor
WHAT
and that was the story all about how my life got flipped turned upside down
what fucking system has a coprocessor after 2002? (My laptop is a 2008 HP something or other)4 -
Massive vision project due in two days.
... Tensorflow constantly shits the bed and training takes forever.
I think by tomorrow I'll reach the "absolute desperation" stage. Stand by for now.2 -
My college teaches us perl now😑
Being in a college whose curriculum is 10 years old is fucking sick.
I mean really 10 fuckin years old.. Dude this is computer science field, shit changes so fast here, new languages, new standards, new frameworks and these guys don't give shit about that.
Wasting so much of my time attending these shit classes because i have to maintain 75% attendance in every subject or else i wont be allowed to write an exam.
FML6 -
Out of curiosity: how likely is your company to hire someone without a college degree?
Follow up, do you think not having a college degree would affect advancement down the road if a person does get hired in the first place?11 -
Father's friend ask if I'm gonna open printing and scanning press when I'm done with IT degree.
I said yes to avoid been his tech support1 -
Going trough 4 years of college and getting a degree in Languages, Literatures and Cultures.
As useful to me as Justin Bieber is useful to mankind.1 -
What would you all be doing if you didn't have programming?
Personally, I'd be getting a sports science degree, or working on some sort of degree dealing with sports. My other option would be something with music.22 -
Hey peeps,
I got a question that is bothering me for a while now. I am from Germany and I quit my CS studies a few months ago in favor of a "Berufsausbildung". I don't know if other countries have a comparable equal to our Berufsausbildung, so I gonna give you a quick overview:
In the Berufsausbildung you stay 30% of your time in school where you have to learn the basics and theory parts of your chosen profession. 70% of your time you are in the company ("Ausbildungsbetrieb") that is training you to learn the practical parts your profession and gain work experience. At the end of the Berufsausbildung, you have to work on a project and present it in front of a committee and write some exams.
So the Berufsausbildung is more about learning by doing instead of learning all the little things in the field of your profession.
Now to my actual question. One of my biggest dreams is to work in Japan as a freelance for a few years or more. Working on projects for companies in my home country while traveling through Japan. I know that it is hard to be allowed into the country for a longer time and even working there without a good education. I always have the feeling that I am inferior to people who have a college degree and I am afraid that my "inferior education" might be a huge disadvantage in the future for me. I already gained 3 years of work experience as a dev and in February 2020 I will have finished my Berufsausbildung. What is your experience with working as a dev without any college degree? Are you treated differently than other people that got a degree? And has anyone experience with working abroad with or without a degree?
Thank you very much!12 -
I COULDNT GET THE WIFI TO WORK, THAT WAS ALL, AND NOW THIS SHIT fuck it all I'm going to bed then waking up and switching to an Outdoor Leadership degree.
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Well, my country has a Degree called Bsc.CSIT which literally means Bachelors of Science Computer Science and Information Technology. I completed that degree and was employed right after I completed my degree. I have worked in two offices and no one cares what degree I have.
So I think Degree is not that necessary here in Nepal as long as you can get the job done.
Now I am about to pursue a Big Data related degree hope that is not as worthless as my current degree.1 -
is Bachelor or Master Degree necessary for a web developer job?
ps: i am currently persuing BCA degree 5th sem and it has so many subjects i dont like or not related to my Aim(like microprocessor and assembly language). So.. dear seniors what do you recommend me?31 -
All I have is an inferior IT degree. It's pretty useful when I'm talking to someone with a CS degree and I ask them, "So you think you're superior?" and they look so confused and say, "Huh?"
It's pretty entertaining, actually.
Disclaimer: This is a joke. -
Well this is the end...
My dream of getting a enginieer degree is over.
I hope my plan B wont fail.11 -
Getting a job opportunity w/o a degree and only knowing what I learned as an ... obsessive ... hobby4
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Master degree, job, gym, sport climbing, running. But where is sleep? I need to organize my time better. Any recommendations?8
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Have no Degree (the paper, I did study), currently doing a master to actually get the damn paper.
Have been working with a good pay for a few years now.
The Degree will help pass some HR filters on the dumbest companies, but sometimes you do want to work there.
The degree does nothing in the new professional word in this profession.
BUT sometimes, a degree gets you information that you will not get on your own that help you grow faster. Talking about the basics that everyone says are useless... But they are not.1 -
There is always a certain look of confusion and wonder when you explain to someone how you enjoy coding, and or are working towards a computer science degree.
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Somehow it always makes me feel good when I encounter a job related to programming without any need of a degree. It's always good to know there's still a backdoor even if everything goes to hell.3
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Classmate ( 7.5+ GPAer, probably 8+ ) asking me (<6 GPAer ), how to fill form of TCS ( IT giant ) for campus placement.
Asked me to choose 3 "Field of interest" for him 😑. I Suggested him options, not of much importance ( IOT and IT were on the list too ). When he asked me what are these, I replied him to search on Google.
His brain thought of asking me first them to google about.
Can't even choose what are his field of interest ....Damn 😑14 -
Day 2 at the new gig, my first developer position. Reading thru ColdFusion documentation as fast as possible.
It still feels surreal that I was able to land this awesome job without a true CS degree.4 -
I only finished my CS degree last year but while I was a student and after I got my degree I went for a few interviews and none of the companies really asked me what degree I have or didn't ask at all, some just asked what I was studying. All of the companies asked what I can do and what my skills are. If I can do it, they were happy to hire me even if I didn't have a degree.
So to answer the question, a degree is not useful if you still don't know how to program (for example) or if you don't know your field well. If you are good at what you do, you will earn crazy money with or without a degree.
I know a few people that don't have a CS degree but their programming skills are crazy good...probably much better than a uni graduate with a CS degree.3 -
Before I went to college, I knew a computer science degree was kind of useless. With enough experience and self-taught skills, you can do way better than someone with a degree.
I went to college anyway because that was required to get in the door for some places, and without forced structure I get easily bored and don't do too well with tutorials.
While in school, I got an internship for the company I'm at today, and I learned more my first summer there than I did 3 years of school before.
And after gaining that experience and being bored and not challenged in school, a degree seemed even more pointless.
Then, in the final courses (the hard ones [allegedly]), a degree seemed even more unimportant. To the point where I almost regret school altogether. So many of the people in those classes failed at understanding the most basic concepts. So many of them had no capability for critical thinking. And yet they still graduate. So many of them should have been filtered out in the earlier classes, but due to easy grading and the school not wanting people to flunk, they still got a degree. The same degree as I have. It makes it meaningless. All those loans I have to repay, to be considered at the same level as them. It's insulting.
I'm luckily at a place that values my talents and ensures I keep my skills up and challenges me. It's still disheartening to think about what came out of my education.8 -
Can I get a job without a degree? I'm so sick of studying like this in India. Argh. I already know a lot more than the average computer science students and I'm wasting my time trying to learn why friction opposed the tendency of slipping. Idiots.21
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Getting my Bachelor's degree in Medical Informatics and landing a full-time job in the pharma industry ⚕️👨🏻💻
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Tomorrow I have my colloquium (the final examination) of my bachelor's degree in Business Informatics. Wish my luck.3
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To the one who did a degree:
How mush do you use the algorithms you've learnt in the college/University?14 -
I’m realizing with each passing day that, even with a CS degree, I don’t know squat about programming. I’m looking to change that.3
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// Publish atleast 1 academic paper
// Complete my master degree
// Get accepted for PhD in Computer Science program with full scholarship/fellowship
// Open my own grill & bbq restaurant3 -
That feeling when you think your workflow is bad and happens to see"Professional" Degree level team of coders writing crap code with even crappier workflow
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lecturer teaching us ASP.NET in the final year of degree: Are you guys familiar with a foreach loop?
(we've been studying C# for the past 3 years and are advanced students)
me: -facepalm and leaves the class-2 -
🤔 Weirdly, since I moved to research I have none.
I hope I can get another job? 🤷♀️
Oh, also be nearly done with this degree, with high enough grades.1 -
I really wonder what degree I would've been working towards now if I never got hooked into programming in 2012.3
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Love Squirrel Girl, the super hero with the powers of a squirrel, and a degree in computer science.
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Why in 2017 it's still so important for companies that their candidates have a motherfucking CS degree?
Most people I know with a CS degree are less skilled and knowledgable as I am in technology, and they tell me that all you learn in CS degree is a lot of irrelavant math and a lot of theory, with some rare places actually teaching you relevant courses.
What's more prefarable to a company, someone with a diverse tech experience or someone with a CS degree?13 -
So out of curiosity, does anyone here with a computer science degree actually use any of the non-programming classes you had to take for your degree?
All those damn hours studying calculus and discrete math (ugh, I hated induction).. Not to mention biology, organic chem, history... Ugh11 -
Rant at teachers being payed like shit. I've graduated with an engineering degree and would love to rather be a teacher...not about that poverty life tho4
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Studied for 9 years in a degree, decided to quit because the math related subjects were to hard for me. Got a job anyways. TL;DR; a degree doesn't really atleast. not if you find the right company.7
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Hell yea, gotta finish my prep project for my bachelor's thesis so I've been coding every day since the beginning of the holidays.
To be perfectly honest with you I love it! It's like a 9-5 job, no classes at uni, just work and coffee breaks and I even got to go back to my parent's house for two weeks which is wonderful.
I wish that uni could always be like that though, gotta make the most of those two weeks1 -
I find it odd that so many people find CS easy and spend so much time outside while still scoring well. I struggled a lot in my first and second years and finally adjusted to the amount of studying I needed to do in the third, and finally performed well.
I'd like to ask, do most CS people find their bachelor degrees very easy?11 -
You know what's bullshit? CS Degrees as a requirement, even for the shittiest dev jobs.
Sorry fuckers, I don't feel like killing myself over fucking math bullcrap for 3 goddamn years just to work as an intern slave for some rich CEO who prefers to hire some guy who doesn't know shit about actual working with computers but has a degree.
And this horseshit happens only in dev jobs. Why. Are devs some fucking nuclear scientists or something? I work as sysadmin and they didn't ask me for any shit degree and I earn more than the average code monkey where I live.
Goddamn HR fuckers. May Allah take you to hell.4 -
Fundamental knowledge really allows you to see patterns behind common solutions and changing them if needed.
Fundamentals are the thing to step up from tutorials to creating your own software architecture and being able to implement anything, from micro controllers and low level performance algorithms to cloud stateless apps.
Even though universities provide you that knowledge, it’s not secret and you can pretty much educate yourself and be just as good if not better because of more modern technology available right from the start.
(I have a cs degree tho)2 -
When your site was developed by someone with a programming degree from the 70s and has no API docs....wheeeeee1
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Have you noticed:
• Those who didn't take a CS degree hate those who have?
• Those who have never used that programming language in-depth, hate that programming language?15 -
Bootcamps get you up and running in coding quickly. If you are a programmer, companies are only interested on how quickly, error free and cheaply you produce marketable output. Bootcamps enable this.
More or less you are not more than a former assembly line worker putting parts on a car platform. Your value is not very high as you may be exchanged at any time at their will.
Nevertheless, you can earn money quickly. You trade in your youth and time which might be a dead end in the long-term. Trends go to machine learning, artificial intelligence. They will not need Bootcamp people and code workers.
It is better you set up Bootcamps and sell them versus absolving this. Like selling shovels during the gold rush, but not working in the mud of Alaska by yourself.
Your choice is: Making quick money, which fades anyway; or striving for the long-term future proof career.
C/S degrees from Technical Universities of reputation give to you the right direction under a strategic consideration. Companies which pay well, or freelancing with a solid acknowledged background, will always look for top graduates. People from Bootcamps are just OK for hammering assembly line coding. Even worse with SCRUM in one noisy room under enormous team server pressure controls, counting your lines of code per minute, with pale people all around. And groups of controllers never acknowledging nor trusting your work.
To acquire a serious degree, a Bachelor is nothing. Here, in INDIA, Bachelor now is what a former high school grade was. You must carry a diploma or Masters degree combined with internships at big companies with high brand recognition. This will require 4–6 years of your lifetime. You can support this financially by working part-time freelancing as making some projects front- or back-end web, data analysis and else.
Bootcamp people will lose in the long-term. They are the modern cannon fudder of software production.
It is your choice. Personally, I would never do Bootcamps. Quality and sustainability require time, deep studies and devotion. -
Post BA Phil degree pre CS degree
My parents - oh cool
My extended family - 'I thought you were going to go to law school, wow how many times are you going to change your mind?' 'who is going to pay for another degree, oh yeah your parents, kids these days' 'so what are you going to do with that Philosophy degree?' 'What are you going to do when mommy stops supporting you?'
Post CS Degree, employed doing what I love, paying off my loans
My parents - yay
My extended family - sweet f*cking silence, and the occasional 'oh so you are working on computers now?'
HA1 -
The shit code I wrote before my cs degree is marginally better than the shit code I write now. The lack of of improvement is related to the shit job I got after my degree. Cs degree did teach me a lot of good oo concepts and design.... That I rarely use due to shit legacy code I maintain.1
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I work as a software engineer in research. We develop open source projects.
So in a place like that, besides your loaded github a BSc/BEng is the least you are expected to have to be considered as a junior.
Do I need the knowledge from my degree? Fuck yes. That abstract shit and maths helped me solve pretty fucked up problems several times.
Studywise, right now, I'm finishing my MSc thesis and will be starting a PhD later this year.
So no regrets, no complaints. Degree worth it for me. -
Interns have degree's in 'Computer Science'.
I do not, Just a microsoft crash course on C# and SQL.
They are 3 - 4 years older than i am, yet they don't know how to use CSS.
I wonder what they learnt in that 4 years?17 -
Relative: What degree did you finish?
Me: Computer Engineering
Relative: So what do you do?
Me: I currently venture into software dev, networks, and firmware.
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In my university days, when I used to spend time elsewhere than curriculum classes : "You're not getting anywhere if you don't get a degree in whatever you want to work with in your life."
Today I earn more than all the cousins of my age combined. No more rants from anyone, anymore.
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Going back to school to get my degree for Network Security/ Administration.
Which I'm doing right now -
Everytime I consult with senior devs on how to transition from my sysadmin job and get my first dev job they always tell me to get a CS degree.
Look. I will get that fucking degree eventually. But I want to build up dev skills and learn from a company before killing myself over math crap for 3 years. But it's like a vicious cycle. Every junior position I apply to rejects me because I have no degree.
I'm fucking frustrated and depressed.
What should I do? I want to break from the IT meme and get a dev job.
In the meantime I'm doing small projects and freelancing in my very little free time. But I feel I'll never truly be a developer until I work as one professionally.4 -
Having a degree in math helpes immensely with programming. Abstract reasoning, calculation simplification, sussinct data representation, nice things to have.
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I kinda started when I got my degree in CS, but later I realized I never really understood programming. So I basically learned from the internet and peers.
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A guy (who is ending the same master degree as me) just launched his personal website saying he is webdesigner but used a very common bootstrap template. The future is good for this one 😂14
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Is it worth getting a computer science degree after you are already in a senior role?
Or... should I just complete an open courseware course to fill in some of the gaps?2 -
I code. I'm not a network or security admin. Did you even read my resume before hiring me? It says "math degree then data analysis then programming degree" Subnets, firewalls and security certs are not my areas of expertise. Given enough time, could I stumble through? Probably. But I'd probably come up with something worthy of mocking on networkadminrant.
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Not taking university seriously.
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I know it's quite soon to think about it, but: next year I'll graduate in cs and I'm still not sure about what to do after:
- I could just stop studying and start working
- study for another two years on a specialistic degree in Italy
- go take a two years master in machine learning, data science and ai in Finland
Which of these makes more sense?10 -
When you spent 2-3 years in college to become a developer but there are apps like sololearn and udemy 😂😂😂😂😑😐
P.S. not me but damn ik it hurts
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Reading all your rants really gets me thinking if it'd be better to stop studying and start working :/5
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I teached it myself while still going to school. Today I have a pretty well-payed job and still no degree in coding1
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My facebook password is so secure...I made it so complex to the degree that I couldn't recall anymore!!😂
Thx God my phone is still logged in !5 -
Sitting inside on a 3 degree day, wondering why I haven’t moved yet. Anyone in Seattle? How do you like it?2
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If you would have a decent/good degree in IT, would it be easy to find work in a foreign city like London, Berlin or Tokyo?5
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Let's get a thread going..
>Age
>Job
>Country
>Favourite language
I'll start off..
>English teacher (might start my CS degree soon)
>Malaysia (Russian by birth)
>JS & Python
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Yes, or no (and if you want to, why): Is a degree required in order to become a game developer?
I have my own opinion, but I want to see what the community thinks.22 -
Question for those who are in or have gone to college. Were you there to actually learn things? Or just get a degree?6
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!!!Question here!!!
I am enrolled in a full time course (bachelor of Engineering, Computer Engineering), currently in second year, will be in third by June 2017, and I have a job offer from a Japan Based Company, so it legal to do the job while being enrolled in a full-time course? Also, if I drop from the course and focus on job, so will that be good?
The package is really good, but the degree is important (at-least in India), I want to know about other parts of the world also.
I am inclined towards joining the job, but then it frightens me as the culture here is (degree is important, talent is not!), but I have faith in myself, after watching many motivational videos on youtube, I feel like following my passion, but then I need to be practical as well.
What to do, what not to do? I need your help, please let me know what are your views?4 -
Ok please guys I need a little help here.
So I'm in my second year of my Computer science course and all subjects except one went well.So I failed my first year maths module so I decided to redo it and study much harder.Low and behold I worked really hard towards passing the exam but it was still extremely difficult.So I haven't gotten my mark and all but if I do fail it again I will not be able to continue in this University.I do not have a plan B at all and I really don't know what to do.I live in South Africa(if that's relevant).So basically if I pass I'll continue with the course but the question is what do I do if I don't pass.should I start working or try another degree at another University which will be another 4 years.PS I'm heading for 20 years old in a few weeks time.I appreciate anyone who gives any feedback.9 -
When you hate your school cuz the degree was completely useless but now they encroach on things you like.....
MY EYES, THEY BURN!!!!!!! SO DOES MY WALLET.....
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1. Solving problems gives me orgasms
2. Code allows me to be extremely creative
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Actually my degree helped me a lot, I owe my teachers most of what I know, I learned so much, I even learned to love programming with one of my teachers and now I can't think of myself doing anything apart from programming. It got me my first job, and soon I realized my formation (and my college partner's) was among the best in my country, I was soon able to solve problems that no one else in the team could, and could learn new stuff faster than them, all the graduated from my same college usually had better projects and instant good reputation because they knew we were well prepared.
So YES, my degree helped me and my friends a LOT and I feel I couldn't have chosen a better thing to study or a better place to do it. -
Of course, it was! I needed my bachelor's degree to enter the United States for a master's degree. The master degree, on the other hand, was fucking worthless!
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This is pre-dev but whatev. I got my cs degree from OSU. After I graduated I realized that I had to fill out a form (by hand) and a mail a 25$ check to them in order for them to send me my diploma. Naturally I never got around to ordering it. Then about 2 months post grad I get this package from OSU which I open up to find this freakin metal engraved business card holder and a letter congratulating me on my degree. A) business card holder??? B) why couldn't they just mail me my diploma instead -.-
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So I have question about my resume.
During my college time, I have done two projects related to politics:
One is to analyze the bias of media. What I did is scrape news covers for Trump and Hillary during election year and get sentiment analysis. The result is not surprising that among NY Times, NBC, Fox, Eashington Post, and CNN, Fox news is clearly favoring Trump, since Fox news is a republican news site.
The other project I did was to analyze the speech complexity and sentiment of the election. One of the observation we made was that Hillary and Trump are almost at the same level regarding speech complexity. However, Trump has a more positive sentiment in the speech, which is true consider how much he loves to say make America great again.
Now the question is, when I gave my advisor my resume, she said that I'd better not put those two projects on my resume since they are related to politics.
But, I am applying for a data science master degree. Seriously, I was just collecting the data and the data speaks for himself, why should I take those projects off my resume? I'm very proud of those projects I did as a matter of fact.
So here is the question. Shall I take off those two projects on my resume because they were political or I should leave it thereawarreally need some professional views. Please.1 -
Would a CS degree be a better option than a Web specific degree even if web is a passion?
Web modules, I feel can be self taught.4 -
Trying to find a summer internship. It's mandatory for my degree, so I need to find someone who wants me. 😓 Suggestions?4
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I got associated degree, it helped me to get my first job. From there I learned everything at work.
Associated degree and bachelor degree here are just titles, education in computer science over this country is not so good tbh. Far too few colleges are competent enough to give you a grasp of the current state of development world from the last 15 years.
So I'm not planning to get bachelor degree, it's expensive and has enough math to not like it(I had to see some math in my associated degree and haven't used in the last 9 years). I'm not in the machine learning, researching or that stuff field, so I'm not need of that. From what I can learn getting a bachelor degree, I think I can handle from my own to get the food on the table. Currently planning to start a startup -
Hello devRant family 😬
So I completed my Bachelor (Honours) of Computer and Information Sciences, yaay 🙂👍
So now that this is done, I would like to find out from programmers with years of experience (possibly web developers) if studying my masters in computer science is worth it and if it will be beneficial to me?
My main focus in my career is web development. I already have 2+ years of working part time as a junior web developer and as I mentioned above, I am wondering if studying masters in computer science will be worth it for my career?
Your opinions and feedback will be really appreciated. Thank you 🙂10 -
Finish reading Speaking JavaScript and intro to algo by clrs.
Get Google Certified Mobile Web Specialist cert.
Start my part time degree in Computer Science.3 -
So I have a friend who recently has been forced to graduate with an ordinary degree even tho he was on track on achieving a 2:1. This is Scotland, so it's for 3 years ordinary degree. Do you recommend a transfer to another university with 2 more years to get honours, or start applying for jobs and forget about honors?3
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I have working for software engineering for the past 8 years without any degree at all. However, in my latest job interviews one of the things I mainly lacked was understanding and applying the algorithmic concepts. As I hadn't maths since I left college, what would you recommend me?
I was looking for some kind of a course (it is always better when you have someone with whom you can discuss with), but such a specific one doesn't seem to exist in Portugal, and taking an entire degree because of algorithms is not an option to me.
Ideas?
PS: I am currently working, however I do understand that a new algorithmic thinking would help me in my daily job.5 -
Didn't know how to program but enrolled in a master's degree that needed that. So I attended the programming courses of the bachelor's degree that gave me just enough knowledge and just in time to save my ass writing a Hadoop MapReduce program! And I actually did well. All Java though.
These days I am banging my head against the wall learning Rust.1 -
Anyone pair up their CS or SE degree with a second degree as an undergrad? What was it? Was it worth it? What made you decide to add a second degree?
I’m currently an undergrad and I’m really liking philosophy and English literature and enjoy the writing and critical thinking/discussions that comes with the classes, but I’m not sure if it’s worth getting a degree in it or not. If I do pursue it I’m definitely leaning more towards philosophy.2 -
To all Canadians here,
Looking to study computer science in university. For those of you with jobs in computer science, did u get a bachelor's degree and went straight to a job? Where did u study? Did u get a master's degree? For those not with a master's degree, would you recommend getting one? I'm lost 😭 I really want to try to go to University of Toronto to study computer science, but it's so competitive and I don't know if I'll even get in. Did any of you study there? How did it help in your career?1 -
!rant
After a year and a half of semi-depression stuck in a Master Science in SE (while I'm a CS student in machine learning and don't give a bloody fuck about java plugins), I finally decided to switch to a CS major.
No more research money but damn, did not feel that relieved in one year !
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Well studying for it made me stop working fulltime (in a cs field), so for my bank account it's not useful at all. And for myself, it feels a bit like a waste of time.1
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A-level results lads out tomorrow, got an A, B, B & C in Geography, Maths, Chemistry and Physics, think it'll be good enough for a CS degree at Edinburgh or Queens?6
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Working towards a computer science degree at a university that bundles it with engineering.... Should I continue, or should I escape this math infected hell hole for another university, or type of degree?6
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So yeah, Java 9 got delayed by another 4 months...
I'm going to get my CompSci degree before it comes out, and I have two more years to go!!!
http://mail.openjdk.java.net/piperm... -
My biggest dream is to study at CMU, but I already have master degree and I'm not in US. So the chance is very rare.😖1
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So I'm close to my degree after 7 years (university minimum is 4) and some personal hardship and I am on my final assignment. A warehouse management system for a hospital. In NetBeans. An easy job with little to none challenge.
I wonder what's it like elsewhere. What kind of assignments did you have?4 -
I haven't observed college to be all that effective at teaching CS. CS education is mostly acquired at the University of Google.com/search?q=%s
Question: exactly got how necessary is a degree anymore for programming positions?7 -
It is finally something I am actually enjoying amd what I am looking forward to do as a fulltime job when I get my degree.1
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TLDR: need advice about CS degree, worth it or not?
Already for some time I have been thinking about getting back to studying and finally for once get that fucking bachelor degree.
I have tried to study already 2 times. Both had quit not even after single year of studies.
First time was CS in my origin country, quality was really bad, so I quit during first semester.
Second time I moved to the Netherlands to study AI. Liked it a lot, but it was quite too much for me, I wasn’t ready for commitment to learn all parts of brains, all neurological diseases and stuff like that. Quit during 2nd semester.
Also, I have been in industry for 4 years now, working as php web developer. I am 22. Have a well paid job.
I want to study CS again, with specialization of cyber security, but in NL (same uni I studied AI, so I expect good quality). Also, as I already know programming, and a lot of other cs stuff, I expect I will need invest less time, and so I can also work in some company part time or even full time.
So in my consideration following are pros and cons of my this decision:
Pros:
- I will be forced to learn basic cs stuff like memory management, how processes work in low level... And so I will be able to write better quality software.
- I will satisfy my parents wishes and also will be only one in my family with bachelor degree and I want my parents to be proud of me.
- I will meet like minded people, new friends, connections and will have higher probability to find a girlfriend.
- After getting degree, I will have possibility to work for government institutions, but I think this one should be in cons.
- No serving in military during study period (mandatory in my country for 9 months if you were called. till age 26 only)
Cons:
- minus 9k euros
- minus 3 years of my free, undisciplined life
- a lot of sleepless nights
- possibility of getting depressed and questioning the meaning of life (but working in industry has the same effect)
Well, can’t actually think of something else.
I would like to hear your opinions on this, especially of people who had positive study experience. Thanks.6 -
So I heard to get a job as a programmer you need a degree in computer science. I looked it up and apparently computer science includes alot of math courses. I'm not good at math and as far as I can see complex math is not needed to be a programmer. Is there any other degree I can take to get a job as a programmer that doesn't require as much math as a computer science degree does?14
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Finishing my IT degree at the end of this year, any information/guidance to where I can utilise my degree here in Australia.
I have been applying for alot of Graduate Programs but still feel more inclined to open as many doors as I can to kick start my career. Any feedback appreciated1 -
Goals for 2019:
Finally get my CS degree.
Find a job.
Complete at least one of my side projects.
Travel with my gf at least once.
Start a master degree in CS if job allows me.
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Finishing thesis, Passing degree, Work in a new professional environment, starting Master studies ^^
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Am I wasting my time doing a Software Engineering degree when my main interest is Web development? (we study nothing related to html, CSS, JQuery, JavaScript, Ruby etc) it's mainly C++ and C#8
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can t wait to get my degree and get back to coding - bitching about designers who merge layers is more fun than bitching about circular definitions in the textbooks
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As I am a year and a half away from getting my bachelor's degree, what are the pros and cons on pursuing a master's degree in comp sci? Will I have a better shot at more pay?4
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Systems/IT person here-am very keen on learning code again. (Got CS degree long time ago). I'm nervous to switch careers but would love to try DevOps! Any advice?1
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What are the repercussions of doing a bachelor of information degree instead of a computer science degree? It seems rather programming originated in the course structure yet I feel for employment, it's considered lesser from the employers.4
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!rant
hey people, I'm trying to get the difference between computer science and computer engineering at an university, trying to decide which course should I take, but I don't get the practical difference between the two, thanks in advance for helping :)1 -
So last week, I struggled to loop through an an array on HPSM JavaScript... I felt like garbage. I have a computer Science degree BTW.1
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So first, I haven't finished my CS degree
Currently working in CS position ( didn't lie... degree was pending told them as such, still hired me)
Currently getting offers from other companies.... Kinda want to transition but scared to get turned away for lack of degree.
Basically completed portion of degree, but have grown disinterested in completing ....
What do you guys think? Still finish?? Or use my current experience to move forward??3 -
1) learn react native
2) finish my masters
3) use Linux full time
4) start my post-grade degree
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Is BSc degree enough to to get a decent job in tech with enough opportunity to grow?
I am talking about software engineering and business & it.
What about going for certification instead of doing masters?3 -
* work on python and javascript
* dive into devops
* grow my own agency
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I just got accepted for computer science .wow.this is going to be a good year. hopefully they let me do all my practical programming assignments in java.and hopefully a cs degree in South Africa holds up in other countries.
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!rant
So I've come to a crossroads and I'm trying to work out what the best way forward is and I have a question for y'all.
Is a university degree still worth it in this field? Should I go for it and get my degree or spend that time learning myself? How does this effect getting a job? And if you could go back, what would you do.
Thanks in advance.4 -
When you have a degree in computer science, certifications and the non-developers know you as the Design Guy/CSS Guy 😞😞😞
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I can't say how a CS degree helped me since I dropped out, but in all of my tech related jobs we turn down candidates with a CS degree left and right. Turns out showing up for class and managing to pass doesnt give you real world experience, passion, or even knowledge. I used to be a floor factory worker and my team lead was a CS degree holder.
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I'm just wondering how much a cs degree from a South African university holds up internationally ,different opinions all around1
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The access to knowledge online is really good. You can pretty much teach yourself everything you need to get a job that would need a degree.1
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A quick question, is the numbers in the degree matters for working as dev? Student here. Big thanks ✌️7
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I don't have a cs degree (my degree is in aerospace engineering). However, I think the question is valid for any degree. The answer depends on the field. When sitting in on interviews over the years, the type of degree for programming jobs never seemed that important if there were experience involved. So, if the job description required 2 yrs exp. in X, then that experience trumped the degree type. If the job was for a junior dev right out of college, then degree type becomes one of the most important factors. So, for that first job, it's important that you've got a degree (any degree) because it shows that you can accomplish that chunk of work. Having a cs degree at that point does provide a distinct advantage over those with medieval romantic french poetry degrees. That's the game, and don't fret if 95% of the material you study in college you never use again. The point of studying it wasn't to use it immediately (go learn a trade if that's your bent), it was to both test you and to expose you to specialties that you might want to do later.
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ive had my degree for almost 6 months. still working for the restaurant i started at 4 years ago to get through college, while all my friends have development jobs. im feeling left out. :/8
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i think i am the only person who quit coding to go back to school and get a political sciences degree... i am such a hipster
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Which degree should I go for, Computer science and Electronic Engineering or Computer Science and Physics?3
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Is it normal to feel extremely annoyed with having to do maths when doing a computer science degree?3
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If I am getting a math PhD, and want to pursue data science, how important is getting another formal degree in DS to get a job?1
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Thinking about moving a lot lately. What cities would you recommend? Versed in asp.net, JavaScript, Angular among other things to a lesser degree.2
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Working on CS degree, just wondering...any tips for learning calculus outside the classroom? Because the classroom materials on calculus are lame ;)
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Once again the department head fucks up my degree plan!
I'm getting my associates degree in Cyber Security. So we have to take networking courses and what not. So my institution recently became a Cisco certified teaching establishment or something along the lines of that.
The department head said that everyone who was enrolled in classes before the upcoming fall semester would have to take the new Cisco networking classes and not switch to the new degree plan. (We would take 3 Cisco classes instead of the new degree plan which is 5 or 6) so we planned and register for those classes.
Now he comes back and says we don't have to take those new classes. So it just fucks up the whole shit.
Switching to the new degree plan would add like 3 semesters to my total semester count and I'm supposed to graduate. August 2018
Fuck this new shit. Even tho I need Cisco.
I plan on taking The Cisco classes after I graduate with my associates degree while I'm going to a university for a dual degree in Software Engineering and Cyber Security
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