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Holy fucking shit. I just went to my first Java class at uni (3 1/2 hour long one at that) and I havent felt so damn irritated in a while.
Some background:
So first, I only had about an hour of sleep last night and a full day of work before this class so I was more cranky than normal.
Theres only 7 students in the class, 6 others plus me. I am the only one with any resemblence of programming experience. The teacher also claims to be a linux developer.
This is a three part course series. Java 1, 2, and 3. All taught by the same teacher.
The fuckery:
-teacher spends 48 minutes talking about text editors. Not even IDEs. Just talking in depth as fuck about notepad (notepad. Not notepad++ )and atom and textpad. Those three only though, nothing on vim or emacs or ACTUAL IDEs. 48 minutes.
- I briefly mentioned learning node.js on the side and am now the "javascript girl" to my teacher. I'm probably less experienced with js than any other thing i ever practised or studied.
-professor saw linux on laptop and asked what distro. When I said arch he said "oh no you shouldnt be using that Its not really for beginners" ... Uhh what makes you think I'm a beginner to linux? Or does he not think I should be using arch while learning java? Either way its really ridiculous and irritates me that he would discourage anyone from using any software/OS/anything, regardless of what it is or skill level.
-teacher moved a bunch of content out of the course because theyre either "concepts that are never implemented anymore" or "arent critical to know to master the language". These particular topics that were removed? Multi-dimensional arrays, scopes, and exception handling. EXCEPTION HANDLING.
-he writes a hello world program and displays it on the board, proof of it working and everything. He tells the class to write the same program, compile and run it. Never did I guess we would spend the remaining hour and ten minutes of class struggling with fucking hello world programs. Especially when the correct code is on the fucking projector.
And I get it guys, everyone starts somewhere. People have to learn from square one. But these kids have no fucking interest in this. One of them literally admitted to pursuing this degree for the "lavish life" that comes with the salary. Others just picked programming because they didnt know what else to choose to get into the school. It fucking saddens me. I hope that one or some of them end up caring and finding a passion in this field, otherwise I feel fucking sorry for them having to spaghetti code their way through life to get a paycheck cause they couldnt be bothered to put in the effort. I feel even more sorry for any devs they work with in the future too.
The other annoying bit is that I can't test out of this class!! so it looks like for either 7 hours a week ill be bored out of my fucking mind with these beginner concepts or ill be helping others fix really stupid shit in their code (like putting quotes around hello world so it would actually print the string).
Fucking hell. Waste of a semester class.48 -
So im colorblind and i just recently found out that most IDEs use color syntax and it sounds like such a good idea.16
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Github education: You get a bunch of cool free stuff if you are a student.
Intellij: You get all of their IDEs for free if you are a student.
Adobe: You get a discount but you still have to pay 20€ per month as a student.
This is why I love programming and the whole community around it.11 -
I helped my friends in my C programming class set up their IDEs today.
Them: Do I need the JDK?
Me: We’re writing in C, not Cava
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This week I quit the corporate life in favour of a much smaller company (60 people in total) and i never felt so good.
After 3 years in 2 big corporations, I began to hate coding mainly because of:
- internal political games. It's like living inside House of Cards everyday.
- management and non-tech people choosing tech stacks. Angular 4 + Bootstrap 4 alpha version + AG-Grid + IE11. Ohhh yeah. Not.
- overtime (even if it was paid double). I never did a single minute of OT for fixing something that I caused. I spent days fixing things caused by others and implementing promises that other people made.
- meetings. I spend 50-60% of the time in pointless meetings (I tracked them in certain time intervals) but the workload is same like I was working 8 hours / day.
- working in encapsulated environments without access to internet or with limited access to internet (no GitHub, no StackOverflow etc.)
- continuously changing work scope. Everyday the management wants something new introduced in the current sprint/release and nobody accepts that they have to remove other things from the scope in order to proper implement everything.
- designers that think they are working for Apple and are arguing with things like "but it's just a button! why does it take 2 days to implement?"
- 20 apps installed additionally on my phone (Citrix Receiver, RSA Token, Mobile@Work Suite etc.) just to be able to read my email
- working with outdated IDEs and tools because they have to approve every new version of a software.
- making tickets for anything. Do you want a glass of water? Open a ticket and ask for it.
- KPIs. KPIs everywhere. You don't deserve anything because the KPIs were not accomplished.
The bad part of the above things is that they affect your day-to-day personality even if you don't see it. You become more like a rock with almost 0 feelings and interests.
This is my first written "rant". If anyone is interested, I will post different situations that will explain a lot of the above aspects.13 -
Honestly, after using sublime, atom, brackets, WebStorm, and so many other IDEs/Text Editors, VSCode outshines all of them ❤️
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Anything with Jetbrains on the cover, IDEA, Android Studio, Clion. Can't imagine how I'd work if these IDEs weren't doing half the work for me.12
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As a developer in Germany, I don't understand why anything related to development like IDEs, git clients and source code documentation should be localized/translated.
Code is written in english, configuration files too. Any technology, any command name in a terminal, every name of a tool or code library, every keyword in a programming language is written in english. English is the language of every developer. And English is simply a required skill for a developer.
Yet almost everything nowadays is translated to many other languages, espacially MS products. That makes development harder for me.
My visual studio menus are a mess of random german/english entries due to 3rd party extensions.
My git client, "source tree" uses wierd translations of the words "push" and "commit". These commands are git features! They should not be translated!
Buttons and text labels in dev tools often cut the text off because they were designed for english and the translated text is bigger and does not fit anymore. Apparently no one is testing their software in translated mode.
And the worst of all: translated fucking exception and error massages! Good luck searching for them online.
Apple does one thing damn right. They are keeping all development related stuff english (IDE, documentation). Not wasting money on translations which no developer needs.19 -
I have what seems to be an unpopular opinion about buying software as a software developer.
First off, I support open source all the way. There should always be free and open tools for people to use if the need or want to.
Second, if you underpaid, broke, unemployed, or a student then this doesn’t apply to you. You keep pushing forward!
With that said, let’s get to the meat of it all...
I pay for good software. Even when it is expensive. Even when there are “workable” free or open source solutions.
I do this for a number of reasons...
1. They are better, hands down.
(Tower > GitKraken, SourceTree, GitHub Desktop) (Kalidascope > every other diff tool) (JetBrains IDEs > Atom, Brackets ...)
2. I’m no longer a broke student. I make enough money to buy them.
3. Most important: I’m a fucking professional software developer, not a fucking joker.
- If I was a carpenter then I could always hammer nails with the back of my work boot. It’s free and paid for and will do the job. Instead I would buy a good hammer because I’d be a professional and not a fucking joker complaining about the price of the tools to do my job.
4. I use a Mac, sometimes Linux and NEVER Windows. Which means I have a platform that actually has useful apps built for developers who are willing to pay for it.
5. I don’t get caught up in developer circle jerks about how all development software should be open source and free.
————
So there you go.
Does this offend you?
Good!
Come at me bro
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Use SSDs.
It's not hard. They've been around for a while, small ones are cheap now and are more than enough for at least 90% of developers. The rest can probably afford 2TB NVMe.
Why waste 60$ on a worthless 500GB HDD that will load the OS in the time that's enough for you to make scrambled eggs?
Instead, use 60$ on a 128GB SSD. Sure, it's smaller, but if speed is important for you, you can forget a bit about saving all of the porn you see online, or about installing every free game from Steam.
SSDs are cheap already. And the performance advantage they give is ENORMOUS. You can have a core i9, 64GB of fastest RAM bla bla bla, but if you don't have an SSD, a Celeron with an SSD will seem faster.
Get one, and NEVER again cry about long loading times of IDEs, unless you feel like 30 seconds for the longest load time is too much. If your time is THAT valuable, then you can afford NVMe SSDs in RAID 10 (which can be done easily in software with btrfs if you're on Linux).
Seriously!
Every day I see posts like "Visual Studio is crap because it installs for 6 hours", or "Android studio starts in 30 minutes", or "Visual Studio Code sucks because it loads for too long compared to vim".
It's as if you only have access to budget 10 year old computers.27 -
Uninstalling literally everything in my laptop including IDEs and tools. It summed up to 94 programs.
I then wrote a simple C# console app that automates the process.
It is running 28/94 currently.
I love being a programmer.9 -
There was a time when the programming gods starting creating IDEs for their languages. And all obeyed that whenever the dev presses enter on an intellisense menu , the grace of the programming gods would help the dev. But VB rebelled. It was too much for him to spoon feed the dev, so he said to himself "NO MORE SHALL THEY PRESS ENTER AND HAVE THE GODS MAKE MAGICAL TEXT APPEAR! NO NO, TAB IT WILL BE, AND I'LL WATCH THEM BURN WHENEVER THEY TRY TO USE INTELLISENSE ON ME". And since then, VB has seen frustrations of devs beyond count.4
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My friend loves Dreamweaver... And continuously says that he doesn't understand what people see in it that is so wrong... It does the job right?...... Fucking blind...
Uses a bootstrap plugin which generates HTML code for bootstrap.
I did not know this at the time.
Comes to me the night before submission.
He: Dude i need help quick! I've got the presentation tomorrow morning and bootstrap fucked up the links to my style sheets or something, my page is broken and won't work. I should have done what you did and gone for Foundation...
Me: Yeah, because the bootstrap framework definitely affects the style links...
He: help me out man, please! I can't do this anymore!
I had my submission the day after him to prepare still...
Me: Teamviewer. Now.
Log on to Teamviewer.
See what he's using to code...
Dreamweaver..... Niiiiice....
I go through the code. There are empty divs with &nbsc; in them everywhere.. some HTML elements haven't been closed, no comments, indentation seems to be completely random. All the usual shit storm of a novice web designer.
The only thing is, this guy I know knows how to indent, I've seen his previous work. Why is this so horrible then???
I ask what the hell happened, it looked like a nuclear explosion happened!
He: Yeah I'm using this great plugin for Dreamweaver which lets me click and it puts in Bootstrap elements! It's great!
........ You're blaming the bootstrap framework for affecting your links to your stylesheets, you're using an elements generator, you're not checking what the FUCK it puts into your code, not fixing the indenting, not checking the standard HTML rules are followed AND YOU WONDER WHY IT'S BROKEN???
Kill me now.4 -
It bothers me that IntelliJ IDEs and Documents on Google Drive don't require Ctrl + S to be pressed to save a file.
That's like my birthright taken away from me!8 -
Got a new monitor
1. So big. 21:9 ratio, can put two IDEs at the same time, and it is more than enough.
2. My phone's camera is not working, so I can't post a pic of my workspace......
But here is the picture that can give you the feeling
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I've found sites like Udemy/Khanacademy/Codecademy/Brilliant/Edx to be very useful — possibly more useful than expensive education.
But they still need:
1. Better correction/update mechanisms. Human teachers make mistakes and material gets outdated, and while online teachers are rectified faster than classroom teachers, the procedure is still not optimal. Knowledge should be a bit more like a verified wiki.
2. Some have great interactive coding environments, some have great videos, some have awesome texts, some have helpful communities. None has it all. In the end, I don't want to learn a new language by writing code in my browser. It could all be integrated/synced to the point where IDEs have plugins which are synced to online videos, with tests and exercises built in, up to a social network where you could send snippets for review and add reviews to other people's code.
3. Accreditation. Some platforms offer this against payment, but I think those platforms often feel very old school (pun intended), with fixed schedules, marks and enrollments. Self paced is a must.
4. Depth is important. Current online courses are often a bit introductory. We need more advanced courses about algorithms, theoretical computer science, code design, relational algebra, category theory, etc. I get that it's about supply/demand, but we will eventually need to have those topics covered.
I do believe that for CS, full online education will eventually win from the classroom — it's still in its infancy, but has more potential to grow into correct, modern education.10 -
Allright, I'm pissed.
Warning: more than 4k characters written by a non native english speaker ahead.
Legend:
Storytelling
> Short summary of the current situation
> "Something being said"
> (Something being thought)
* Actions *
-- Background --
In an attempt to reorganize my desktop I accidentally deleted a folder I called "development". In there I stored links to all my IDEs (Not sure how you call these in english), but also some workspaces like unity (Not much stuff there, processing (just some hobby stuff) AND Eclipse (FUCKING EVERYTHING RELATED TO SCHOOL WEB DEVELOPMENT). Now 3 days have passed and I realized this important folder was missing. Cleared that windows trash the instant I deleted the trash on my desktop.
> Shit, Regret
Install a file restore programm. Do every possible search. Nothing found.
> Big shit
Deadline was in like 3 days. Week was fucking rough so:
> "Screw this, the teacher nevet corrects the assignments and also fuck JSP"
Fast forward 2 months to last week. Teacher starts checking assignments.
> Fuck
* Sees pattern: Only students with missing or bad marks are checked. *
* Feels save *
Teacher approaching me while working on current projects.
* Doesn't feel save anymore *
> "Well, I'ld like to see your THAT programm"
> Well fuck
* Tells the truth *
> "Well that's unfortunate, but I must write a mark. Do you really have nothing to show?"
* Remember that I worked on the school pcs when I started *
> (Better than nothing. Gotta try it)
* Teacher checks programm, not pleased *
> (Fuck me, but at least it's over...)
> Nope
* Teacher calls me over *
> "With the mark I had to write today you can't reach that good mark even with a good examination, what are we gonna do about this?"
> "Well, there were other assignments that were never checked. Could we replace that mark with one of those?"
* Teacher agrees *
> (Srly bless this guy for that support)
My best choice was an Android app we had to develop during December in pairs. I did the front end (90% of the whole work) and my partner the backend (10 %). I also did 30 % of these 10 %, because I had to review the shit he wasn't able to debug himself.
> brainlogic.exe provided by windows vista
This distribution was partly my fault since I overestimated the work needed for the backend, but also the fault of that fucker. I mean, he didn't tell me the professor already provided 90 % of the backend...
Rest of the week was really busy (always 1 or 2 things to study for each day, workout and family stuff).
Yesterday (It's past 12 already) I arrived at ~9 pm in the dorm I could finally start reviewing my code.
Internet gets shut down at 10 pm.
Gotta hurry.
* Opens project *
* Sees half a year old code *
* Fights urge to puke *
> (Alright I gotta do this. For the mark!)
* waits for gradle to index files *
* Remembers the fact that I haven't opened Android Studio in the last 2 months *
For those who don't develop with android studio: This is an equivalent to ~10k windows updates waiting to be installed
> (Well, gotta work with this kinda old version)
"gradle sync failed"
> ( Ok, just restart it. You're fine )
* Android Studio doesn't react anymore and/or renders *
* Waits 5 min *
* Restarts laptop *
* Android Studio is reacting again*
"gradle is synching"
9:45 pm: gradle is done and I can finally compile my app
> FML
* Sees App launched on phone *
* Almost pukes again *
> (This was the assigment for the UX chapter, so design doesn't matter)
UX is decent. Proceeds with testing stuff. Save paths work, but some bugs can be caused by going of it
* fixes as much as possible *
* Takes quick look at backend *
Date date = new Date (GregorianCalender.getInstance().getTimeInMillis());
C'mon, I asked you to be the backend. You got 90% of the methods already written by the teacher and had 2 months to write the interfaces to my Front end AND you come up with shits like that.
Note: this example is a minor example of brainlogic.exe
I did what I could to make improve my situation. Hopefully he doesn't discover the bugs. And If it's a backend bug then I could't care less, since that was not my job!
Wish me luck for today!9 -
I really don't get people that use their IDEs with white backgrounds. How do they manage to keep their eyes from frying?!10
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Sometimes I feel like a freak. So many rants are about things that just never seen to happen to me.
I've been using Windows 10 since release, never had an update while I was working.
I've never gotten a virus from an ad, abs don't use AdBlock.
I've never had a crash that lost my work, I save neurotically or the program automatically saved.
I've never had trouble with typing in any language, static or dynamic.
I've never had issues with semicolons, IDEs or compilers tell me the issue explicitly.
I guess I'm just weird or something :/15 -
When you've gotten too used to Jetbrains IDEs that you start pressing enter before finishing any word in Sublime and everyone looks at you like you're a retard when you type
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Not just another Windows rant:
*Disclaimer* : I'm a full time Linux user for dev work having switched from Windows a couple of years ago. Only open Windows for Photoshop (or games) or when I fuck up my Linux install (Arch user) because I get too adventurous (don't we all)
I have hated Windows 10 from day 1 for being a rebel. Automatic updates and generally so many bugs (specially the 100% disk usage on boot for idk how long) really sucked.
It's got ads now and it's generally much slower than probably a Windows 8 install..
The pathetic memory management and the overall slower interface really ticks me off. I'm trying to work and get access to web services and all I get is hangups.
Chrome is my go-to browser for everything and the experience is sub par. We all know it gobbles up RAM but even more on Windows.
My Linux install on the same computer flies with a heavy project open in Android Studio, 25+ tabs in Chrome and a 1080p video playing in the background.
Up until the creators update, UI bugs were a common sight. Things would just stop working if you clicked them multiple times.
But you know what I'm tired of more?
The ignorant pricks who bash it for being Windows. This OS isn't bad. Sure it's not Linux or MacOS but it stands strong.
You are just bashing it because it's not developer friendly and it's not. It never advertises itself like that.
It's a full fledged OS for everyone. It's not dev friendly but you can make it as much as possible but you're lazy.
People do use Windows to code. If you don't know that, you're ignorant. They also make a living by using Windows all day. How bout tha?
But it tries to make you feel comfortable with the recent bash integration and the plethora of tools that Microsoft builds.
IIS may not be Apache or Nginx but it gets the job done.
Azure uses Windows and it's one of best web services out there. It's freaking amazing with dead simple docs to get up and running with a web app in 10 minutes.
I saw many rants against VS but you know it's one of the best IDEs out there and it runs the best on Windows (for me, at least).
I'm pissed at you - you blind hater you.
Research and appreciate the things good qualities in something instead of trying to be the cool but ignorant dev who codes with Linux/Mac but doesn't know shit about the advantages they offer.22 -
- Hey, have you heard of devRant?
- Look I have been a developer for more than 20 years; new IDEs, editors, languages or whatever that is, appear every week and they all just die. I'm sticking to my guns and nothing you can say can convince me to even look at this devCrap or whatever it is.
- Oooooookay...
#devCrap4 -
Most Irritating moment
When u gonna edit any webpage and want to open it using Notepad and
By mistakenly u presses
"Open with Microsoft Visual studio or Android Studio"
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I found a new hobby: coding in many text editors (or IDEs) at the same time, because "I want to find out which one is better" (I don't know why I'm actually doing this, but I can't stop)
Wait, it's not a new hobby ... I already did this with C++ with using atom and Visual Studio at the same time, then I installed Clion too and VS and Clion were both running along with atom ...31 -
Mood:
- Currently coughing my lungs out, I'm not working tomorrow to keep my colleagues safe
- Cat is purring on my shoulder
- Listening to some dope ass synthwave
- Updating the JetBrains IDEs so that I can work on something to busy my mind
- It's 3:45 AM.5 -
I hate that trend of making things more lax in terms of implementation quality while writing it off with a simple but stupid "oh computers are faster now, users have the RAM, yadda yadda". Yeah but back in a day things were actually running pretty damn fast in comparison while doing it on hardware that is totally potato in comparison to what's used now. This trend eats away ANY gains we get in terms of performance with upgrades. It deprecated the whole notion of netbooks (and I kinda liked them for casual stuff), since now every goddamn one-page blog costs you from several megabytes and up to tens of megabytes of JS alone and lots of unnecessary computations. Like dude, you've brought in a whole Angular to render some text and three buttons, and now your crappy blog is chewing on 500 MB of my RAM for whatever reason.
Also, Electron apps. Hate them. Whoever invented the concept, deserves their own warm spot in Hell. You're doing the same you would've done more efficiently in Qt or whatever there is. Qt actually takes care of a lot of stuff for you, so it doesn't look like you'll be slowed down by choosing it over Electron. Like yeah, web version will share some code with your desktop solution but you're the whole reason I'm considering your competitor's lack of Electron a huge advantage over you even if they lack in features.
Same can be said pretty much about everything that tries to be more than it should, really. IDEs, for example, are cancerous. You can do 90%+ of what you intended to do in IDE using plain Vim with *zero* plugins, and it will also result in less strain on your hands.
People have just unlearned the concept of conscious consumption, it seems.30 -
1. Slack. Pretty good chat app for dev companies, I use it to prevent people standing next to my desk 40 times a day.
2. Unit testing tools, especially when fully automated using a git master branch hook, something like codeship/jenkins, and a deployment service.
3. Jetbrains IDEs. I love Vim, but Jetbrains makes theming, autocompleting & code style checks with mixed templating languages a breeze.
4. Urxvt terminal. It's a bit of work at the start, but so extremely fast and customizable.
5. Cinnamon or i3. Not really dev tools, but both make it easy to organize many windows.
6. A smart production bug logger. I tend to use Bugsnag, Rollbar or Sentry.
7. A good coffee machine. Preferably some high pressure espresso maker which costs more than the CEO's car, using organic fairtrade hipster beans with a picture of a laughing south american farmer. And don't you dare fuck it up with sugar.
8. Some high quality bars of chocolate. Not to consume yourself, but to offer to coworkers while they wait for you to fix a broken deploy. The importance of office politics is not to be underestimated.1 -
Hate being forced to jump back and forth between mutiple projects that use different languages, syntax, and IDEs. Feels like I'm juggling chainsaws and kittens.
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Bind's top {number} dev tools to make your 2018 easier!
//note 0: feel free to add your own
//note 1: no ides, only stuff thats useful for everyone
0) vscode, it got significantly better after the latest updates and is very versatile
1) gitkraken, now i use sourcetree because of the jira integration but kraken is available for linux too so
2) scaleway, they provide really cheap servers for whatever you want, easy to install images (docker too)
3) protonmail, an encrypted mail service that works a lot better than gmail (tutanota is a close 2nd but has a weeb name)
4) telegram, if you can, tell your team to ditch slack, because telegram is a lot more lightweight and even if you dont, just the channels make it worth giving it a shot
5) steemit, a blockchain based website where the users write the articles, you can find some good reads there (and photography if you like that stuff)
6) a dildo because it wouldnt be a bindview content without out of context penile objects16 -
Why is starting a C++ project so overly complicated and annoying?!
So many different compilers. So many ways to organize the files. So many inconsistencies between Linux and Windows. So many outdated/lacking tutorials. So many small problems.
Why is there almost no good C++ IDEs? Why is Visual Studio so bizarre? Why are the CMake official tutorials literally wrong? Why can't we have a standard way to share binaries? Why can't we have a standard way to structure project folders? Why is the linker so annoying to use?
Don't get me wrong, I quite like the language and I love how fast it is (one of the main reasons I decided to use it for my project, which is a game almost comparable to Factorio)... But why is simply starting to write code such a hassle?
I've been programming in Java for years and oh god I miss it so much. JARs are amazing. Packages are amazing. The JDK is amazing. Everything is standardized, even variable names.
I'm so tempted to make this game in Java...
But I can't. I would have a garbage collector in the way of its performance...12 -
I finally moved to Fedora Silverblue 30 which is a really awesome OS.
Silverblue Edition unlike the standard version, runs a immutable core. That means the entire FS is not writable except for certain parts that are mounted to /var. While this is limiting, this allows for atomic updates, which is the whole point of Silverblue.
Now this also might throw off even myself, because I might need to run VSCode in the host and I might need C++ libs. Fortunately there's a tool named toolbox that allows you to use standard DNF inside a OCI container. Now the thing is, now you need to tell your IDE to use it after installing it.
I wrote a little helper script to do just that. I wrote it primarily for VSCode but it should also work for your IDE if you happen to want to try to use Silverblue.
Helper script: https://t.co/sXYOgcwLBg?amp=1
Also if you wanna try Silverblue for yourself, here's some notes:
* To install apps, you need to run flatpak. Make sure you also have the flathub repo listed.
* don't use the Flatpak version of the IDEs. If possible, use the RPM versions. Silverblue allows you to install traditional packages (to some degree, not everything works in this thing because of the immutable design) in the host. So as much as possible if you need dev libs, use toolbox for those.
* Silverblue also comes with podman and buildah installed (aka what if Docker had no daemon and was more secure?)
*Do your updates via rpm-ostree upgrade, or turn the auto updater on if you're lazy
All in all I like this environment, I've used this kind of workspace before (Chrome OS), so its pretty easy for me to get used to.
What do you think guys, think you'll give it a shot?
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My best case "Deploy Bittersweet Pipeline":
Prep a bunch of carrots, cucumber and tomatoes for day snacks. Roll & cut some pasta noodles, cook stock with fresh veggies & mushrooms, add some droopy soft boiled egg(s) to the broth, drizzle in some black garlic hot sauce. Enjoy that breakfast with an unsweetened Australian flat white and a half-liter cup of chai spiced green tea. Watch some science/tech/woodworking/cooking YouTube videos while feeding my Bittersweet Jr girl.
(yeah my mood is determined for about 90% by food)
Fire up docker compose & IDEs, and start refactoring code and migrating/fixing old databases.
My worst case "Fatal Incident Bittersweet Repair & Recovery Process":
Stuck while refactoring the worst kind of trash code since 9am.
Pour a glass of Tawny Port at 9pm. Pour a glass of cognac at 11pm. Unwrap 3 chocolate bars and break them into chunks in a bowl. Look at IDE, get nauseated, not from the booze or chocolate, but from the code.
Can't fall asleep because code is too broken, that crap should simply not exist. Take some LSD and amphetamine, can't sleep anyway. Start splitting several 10k-line-long files into smaller classes, type until my fingers have blisters. Empty two bags of Doritos, order a large Falafel with extra garlic sauce at 4am.
Fall asleep at 5am with my face on my keyboard, wake up at 9am with keyboard pattern on my skin.
Cook some hangover noodles.
Call work that I'm taking 3 days off. Feed Bittersweet Jr while I watch some YouTube channels with her. Bittersweet has successfully rebooted.1 -
Although I see how powerful Vim (with all its variants) is, I still don't get why people are so into it.
I mean, it's 2017, we have IDEs and some of them are very good, such as VS for C#, Eclipse for C++ and so on!
* grabs popcorn *...11 -
Fucked up the Ubuntu partition while upgrading to 18.04 . Lost data. Fucked up the system further by doing random stuff and seeing what happens. Had to reinstall. Redo the customisations. Install all the ides and softwares.
That was fun. 🙂11 -
Ladies and gentlemen.
Back in 2009 when I started coding, some dickhead told me to not learn Vim because professional developers normally use IDEs for shit instead of text editors.
Being the kind of person that I am, I shrugged him off as the cocksucker that he was and decided to learn Vim anyway.
Fast forward to 2015 up to 2018
I
Use
That
Bitch
Religiously
At work. For fucking everything since it is what you have when you ssh into a server and lemme tell ya this:
I you guys thought being a Vim master ain't dropping no one's panties....boy u wrong af.
And nano is fine too, but why settle for less when you can be a complete vim black wizard?38 -
I have become so lazy that I write things like
int reservations = getReservations()
and then use the IDEs quickfix to change int to Arraylist<Reservation>
Saves me roughly 15 characters but its always worth it :D6 -
Can ppl stop bitching out about their ides not running smoothly with 8gb+ ram? I mean 8gb ram wise is enough, unless you have 20+ browser tabs open, watching some casual porn, downloading some more porn in the background and maybe running some benchmarks just for the sake of not letting your dollars go to waste...15
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Developers created IDEs with intelligent code completion and languages provide users with an annotation syntax to document their methods.
And then there is Python, nuking all the efforts of our ancestors by dynamic typing. And they are smug enough to call this laziness duck typing. "If it squawks like a duck, swims like a duck, walks like a duck its a duck".
Shit no, it ain't a duck because a fucking goose does all the same but is a mean bastard compared to a duck. You might pet a duck but only the craziest will attempt to pet a goose.
Fuck python and undocumented methods in particular!5 -
alright let me pull someone out of this dark theme disillusionment. Setting your IDEs or editors theme to dark does NOT improve your skills at all, it does NOT make you a better developer and it does NOT mean that you are better than someone who likes a light theme. And it does NOT make you a hacker at all. The only real benefit is increased productivity for you only (because you prefer it) . Other developers may be more productive on a light theme.
So next time I see a silly dark theme comparison I'm down voting it, peace ✌
FYI, my devrant is dark, my editor is dark and I like batman 😂😂16 -
I am using VS Codium instead of VS Code to see what kind of things change when you scrape the Microsoft out of it. Apparently some tools for dotnet core like debugging are locked down and only allowed to run in Microsoft made IDEs.
I hate the sneaky Microsoft API lockdown nonsense and will be steering future projects away from any dotnet core development. I thought this was dead in VS Code but they managed to sneak it in.
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I noticed my co-worker has been using Atom editor for everything (we do Java/Scala). I asked, "So are you using the new language servers? How are you doing code completion?"
"I don't use code completion. I turn it off."
O_o "Do you not use screwdrivers? Like do you tighten screws in by hand?"
I've know people who code Java/Scala in emacs and vim, but they still had completion, type-lookups, etc. They was a higher learning curve in knowing all the keyboard commands, but all the tools were still there. I don't get people who refuse to use tools. It's reflected in this guys works too when looking at the code reviews.
When all you have is a hammer, everything is going to look like a nail.4 -
Close all IDEs.
Then...
if (needs_music) {
open.production("fl_studio");
} else if (needs_engine_roar) {
open.game("fsx");
} else {
open.systemapp("Task Manager");
kill.all("processes");
computer.shutdown(5000);
}6 -
So today installed this plugin on all my compatible JetBrains IDEs:
https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugi...
Especially as an Android dev I look at Gradle build progress bars about 99% of the time, so better make them look great while I'm at it.7 -
It is time... to rant about macs!
No, seriously - I had such a different experience about which not many talk in real life or pretend that it never happens....
Model: 2015 mid MBP 15" with second to highest specs (don't have dedicated gpu).
Rattling fucking toy.... Yea, it rattles! If you shake/move ir sit in trait/bus - it non-stop rattles as a fucking toy. Worst part? It's confirmed issue by apple and it manifacturing issue that they are not keen on fixing!!!! WTF? We have 4 macs in our office - all of them fucking rattles... God help me how annoying that is. (Lose LCD control panel that unsticks from glue. Replacing it solves the issue for 1 month if you carry it anywhere).
Constant fucking crashing/updates.... Every morning I wake up and don't have an app that requires confirmation for restart - it's restarted. YAY, turning on all apps once again.... Why you may ask? Well, because if you tinker with software in any way - it fails to update it and hell breaks lose. It's been a long time since High-Sierra came around and the issue is still there (not running Mojave as it conflicts with soft I have... Woo!). Tried few times - updates fail. Resolution? Reinstall OS!
OS conflicts with applications - damn... People told me it works out of the box.... Yeah, as long as you don't upgrade the OS - then it breaks. Why? Well, because.
Piece of shit power supply. With 4 of our office power supplies - 2 of them failed twice withing warranty and once afterwards... Really? Not to mention that all 4 are starting to shear the sleeve or already did (mine is just wrapped with white electrical tape to give it a support... lol).
Bluetooth - who the hell needs that in mac, right? Well, people do. To start with - it conflicts with 2.4GHz wireless network - you might have one of those and not both at the same time. Next thing is using a device that needs constant connection (mouse, headphones, keyboard - non apple branded) - shit... They can't stay connected for more than an hour without any issues... Constant battle to re-connect it, to re-pair the device and all due to smart apple bluetooth settings. Hell, my mouse (logitech MX master) was even printing random symbols in some applications if moved. All of the issues went away after using a bluetooth dongle... WOO!!!!
Xcode... Ahh, you may never prepare your mac if you don't download 17GB of fucking xCode libraries that enables some tools to be installed/runned as you can NOT get them in any other way and you have to install full xCode software in order to get them... YAY! 17GB wasted on my 256GB SSD that I can't upgrade. GREAT!
OsX applications - ah, don't get offended but if you are using them and you are fine with them - you are probably a monkey that loves being told what to do. You can't customise any actions, you can't configure it the way you like - either you accept their default workflow or go kill yourself. Yep... Had issues with calendar, mail, iMessages, safari... None of them fit my needs :)
Resolution scaling... Fucking hell, the display is 2880 x 1800 but all you let me to use is 1440x900 without scaling? Am I blind to you? Scaling the resolution means that you are fucked if some applications don't support scaling very well. Looking at you Jetbrains - your IDES suck at scaling and slows down the pc to a potato....
Now the pros - keyboard is way better than the new ones, trackpad is GREAT - no need for mouse (using it on external 4k displays only), the battery life is great - getting around 6h of continues development time, 8 if using sublime instead of phpStorm and well, that's about it...
To clarify:
I've bought this device due to the fact that at that time mac and windows pc's with similiar specs costed the same while windows pc sucked with their quality of the device and trackpad... Now the situation is better and when time comes for a next upgrade - it's going to be one of these:
Razer Blade 15, Dell XPS 15, Lenovo Carbon X1 series.
And of course - LINUX. I've had enough issues with windows, and had enough of retardness of apple ecosystem, so switching it is a must for me.
Disclaimer: I might be an unhappy customer, a bit picky but I'd like my device to be setted up as I like and continue to have that until I don't like, not until the company decides to break it. Not to mention that paying almost a yearly salary in my country for one device - I'd expect it to be at least reliable and work without issues....
Rant over.
ps. You can disagree with me, this is my personal experience with MBP over the last 3 years :)10 -
Applies to: instructions, signs, traveling to new locations, arriving on time, etc.
1. Always read the documentation before asking questions.
2. Ask for clarifications as soon as possible.
3. Never underestimate the complexity of a task even when it looks simple. (traffic)
4. Always test the current application before adding a new feature. (shortcuts, baggage, companions)
5. Never trust everything the previous developers say about their code. People forget. See for yourself.
6. No, you will not remember what this part does. Take notes, write comments, docstrings, and give objects reasonable names. (that hookup has a name and is someone's child)
7. Get things working way before the deadline. (check-ins)
Applies to: talking to people, being precise, etc.
8. Don't turn the method definition into an essay.
9. Break things down into smaller pieces, if possible.
10. Avoid misspellings. The computer may not get confused but the next developers will.
Applies to: communication, relationships, etc.
11. Be considerate.
12. People in higher positions make mistakes too.
13. Communicate. Don't expect people to read your mind and don't assume you have all the information you need.
Applies to: utensils, sex toys, compatibility, sexual preferences, etc.
14. Don't do random hacks just to make something work. If it's not the tool for the job, use something else. Wasabi doesn't make a good lube.
15. Product owners and users don't always know what they want. ;)
16. Stop being an asshole unless you have lubes and da hole tyt.
17. Be assertive, not aggressive but spank and choke me anyway.
18. Consider each sprint as a sport. You may have almost killed each other during the game but keep it civil after. (violent love-making)
19. Don't burn the bridge when leaving. Someday, they can refer you to a better job or you can refer them and get money out it. (hookups and prostitutes)
Applies to: beliefs, religion, obsessions, hobbies, etc.
20. Programming languages are not cults. Same with IDEs, tech stacks, etc.
21. Use linters. (check yourself)
22. Be aware of your own bias especially when testing and debugging your own code. (reflect)
23. Being antisocial does not make you a better developer. Stop romanticizing it. (delusions)
Applies to: life in general
24. Be patient. You'll get out of the maze. You always do.
25. Stop blaming inanimate objects for your code not working. Behind every inanimate object is a person responsible for the failure. Most of the time, that person is you. If not, talk to the person and solve the issue.
26. Take breaks.
27. Keep learning new things.
Applies to: negotiation, transactions, relationships, etc.
28. Always send documented proof of requirement changes. (50 shades of grey contract, ew)
Applies to: sex
29. Write tests. Test your tests. Testes. Testicles. Tentacles. Testicular cancer.
30. Hostility never results to productivity. Wank it out, get back to work, and stay calm. (doms in BDSMs are gentle creatures)5 -
Goddamn, why is Android SDK setup such a stupendous pain in the ass?
"Wah wah, can't find JDK!"
Wtf are you talking about you stupid fuck, JDK is right there, all IDEs find it, environment vars are set, it is the right version and is used on this machine for a billion development purposes! Stop being a useless cunt!
And this is everytime. Had to setup up Android SDK four or five times by now on different machines and it has NEVER gone smoothly. There is always a plethora of different issues and you end up wasting all day going through fucking dependency hell!
Read a book on ergonomics, you colossal android fucks. Just because you got JetBrains behind your IDE and they actually know what they are doing, doesn't make your setup process any less of a braindead nightmare.
Fucking hell.7 -
So I was told why a bash with Git isn't allowed in my company.
The people that built the development kit (IDEs, tools, etc) estimated that Git wasn't necessary since integrated in Visual Studio.
They clearly never tried to do a pull request or a rebase then. Good to know.
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After using so much VIM and VIM key binds in other IDEs, a piece of me dies every time I have to code without them.
Am I the only one?4 -
I wanna meet the dumbass that decided it was a good idea to teach scratch, basic, java, or even python as a first programming language course in college.
I’m so sick of seeing developers out of with shitty code structure and practices, and absolutely no understanding of what is going on behind the scenes of the IDE when you push run.
In order to be a good engineer you MUST know the basics, the root level, bare bones, bare metal shit.
I fear the future, less and less software engineers are comming out of colleges, the majority today is script kiddies, and folks with some basic java experience.
Who the hell is going to be writing firmware in the future then?
It’s insane the lack of foundational skills these students get in college. If they would get a strong foundation in C, and C++ they can easily attack at problem in any language, but missing the foundation, and relying on IDEs.. you will never be-able to go from a knowing only a high level languages and scripts to Lower level problems.
RIP the future of Software Engineering
Welcome to the hell full of script kiddies28 -
I get angry every fucking time when I see such method signature:
method(int, int, int, string, string, string, string)
Sounds scary, doesn't it?
Nah. That's the reason our IDEs are so complex. So, I change this and put proper data value/struct class instead, just to make this much readable and understandable for everyone.
And, every time there is a fella that asks this utterly stupid question:
What about performance impact?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa fuckyutitititiigig
And. I. Have. To. Run. Performance. Tests.
Because noone understands performance and computers so I have to prove there is nothing to worry about.
I know when I will go somewhere else I will have to again prove some fuckwit that web applications are so complex already, so adding a new data structure doesn't impact its performance.13 -
>Learning programming at university for a couple of years
>Get introduced to lots of IDEs
>After hours of tweaking things one by one finally perfect settings of said IDEs
>Hear about devRant
>Browse devRant
>Whats this Vim thing they all love so much?
>MFW so much wasted time setting up all those IDEs
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I swear GNU/Linux is the pure definition of a badly designed OS/Kernel
1) The separate file system. Of all things, all the set standards Linux uses exFat which can only be read by Linux. Not NTFS, not FAT32, you know, the common ones.
2) Unintuitiveneness and inefficiency of workflow. Linux is extremely inefficient, especially the cli versions, where one cannot perform several tasks simultaneously.
3) It's MESSY. The use of a Terminal is incredibly uncomfortable, because the text is tightly spaced, and in monochromatic in root. When looking at a large chunk of text, my eyes hurt on a deeper level than physical.
4) It's the most retarded way to handle drives. Why not assign drive letters and names? Why is it dev/sda1 dev/sdb1. If I have two drives of the same capacity, I cannot differentiate between them. How am I supposed to know which is my system drive and which is my portable hard drive that I'm formatting? And this stupid disk utility fdisk. What the fuck is that? Why is the command o wiping the device? Why is t selecting a partition? What the fuck?
5) Stupid naming system. Most CLI commands have deliberately stupid and hard to remember names. Also the prefixes to them such as -x -c or -v, say nothing to me. Reading through the manual in white, tight monochromic text is impossible.
6) Error messages that don't make sense. How am I supposed to know what "Error! [err=/dev/null, arch="27xE39Tmx849D" result="success"]" is supposed to mean? A search will cut down the error and I will find nothing.
7) General hype towards it being "focused on developers". It's not. It's really not. As a developer myself I find it absolutely painful to write code on Linux. It's sluggish, requires it's own set of IDEs and software packages.
People say "Oh you can't write and compile code on Windows". Yes you can. Windows has the exact same set of compilers as Linux, like gcc and gpp. Windows has a versatile and powerful command line. It's hidden from a regular user, because its actually user friendly, and is made for people, not aliens. The fact that you have to download a package manager first to access new ones is what flies over many peoples heads.
Go on start a wreck in the comments35 -
Master/Slave
Fuck you guys. Honestly most of the rants i've read concerning python and their abolishme t of sait terms where fucking butthurt. "What virgin suggested this", "people shouldn't be offended, it's just a name" and so on.
I do agree with every one saying a name shouldn't matter (readability is a different story! However parent/child or producer/consumer IMHO preserve that). So why are you fucking offended when it is changed to parent/child or produver/consumer? Does it affect you in any way? You know there's the `sed` command, plus IntelliJ (and most other IDEs) have a quite good support for renaming/refactoring stuff.
By reacting this way, by beeing offended all you do is proving the point. Words can offend people. I personally don't care how it's called. So far I always used master/slave and didn't think twice about it. But then again if someone of my coworkers or friends would feel threatened by these words, I try to avoid them. Naming diesn't matter to me, nor the compiler. So fuck, if it makes people happy or feeling save then lets change it.
What the fuck do you gain by sticking to those terms anyways?19 -
I have a confession. I have always used IDLE because I love it. It's slow, lacks a number of features, and is just all-around outdated.
So today I went and I got rid of it. I tried PyCharm in the past but it was too complicated for Python. I like JetBrain's IDE for Java, but not for Python. Instead, this time, I opted for Spyder. I tend to get quite excited about new IDEs, and I do like this one a fair bit. The editor offers a dark theme but the UI surrounding it does not. This is offensive, but acceptable, for the time being. Here's a screenshot. Any thoughts?
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Primarily IntelliJ IDEs.
I'm using IDEA for Rust & Kotlin, PHPStorm, Datagrip (DB), and sometimes PyCharm CE.
IDEs can feel a bit dirty with how heavy they are, and the lack of customization/control. But at the end of the day there's just nothing that can measure up against IntelliJ's inspections, integrations and project indexing.
My ideal product would be one universal IntelliJ IDE, but combined with the openness of VSCode/Atom, having everything transparently configurable through stylesheets and scripts.
As an editor though.... I use Vim for LaTeX, Markdown, plain text and Haskell code... but not so much for other programming languages.
Vim was my first editor when I moved from C64 to PC development 25 years ago, and while you get used to balancing keybind vimgolfing with being actually productive, i've always found maintaining plugins and profiles too cumbersome -- the reality is that Vim is an awesome TEXT editor, but it's really awful as a CODE editor out of the box.
When you want to try out a new programming language, you don't want to have to mess around with your Vimrc and Vundle and YCM for half a day just so you can comfortably write "Hello World" in Rust or Elixir... you just want to click one install button, press F10 to compile and see if it flies.
Oh, and I use Xed a lot for quickly editing files... because it's the default GUI editor on Mint desktops, and it's quite good at being a basic notepad.1 -
4 years ago
Me: you probably shouldn’t use an IDE, you would learn a lot more about the language if you did things manually.
JavaFriend: Nah I’m all good
Me: alright you do you
4 years LATER
Me: *gets text* oh it’s from JavaFriend. *opens text*
JavaFriend: “dude so I decided to stop using my IDE’s and start doing things manually and I’m learning so much”
Me: ...
Me: I know. I’ve been doing it like this for a reason.
I know IDEs are helpful and good to use but personally I like to work without them and I feel it helps you learn the language more of you go without it.
If you have opinions on the topic in general lemme know.26 -
People complain about the high RAM usage of IDEs in general, particularly Jetbrain's one.
... They have never experienced Google Chrome ...
Greetings from vacation btw ^^4 -
Visual Studio Code - ever since the beta.
VS Code is... amazing. There's no words to describe it. It's just amazing.
VSCode since the inception was just this tiny version of Visual Studio that you can transform into your own little IDE. That was the whole point of VSCode - it was a extensible editor. For many years I've used it and never looked back, I still use VS from time to time but Microsoft really nailed this one.
Most of the editors I knew lacked good auto completion and good linting, which IntelliSense was good, and it became even greater once support for languages started piling up. Themes also were top notch, I still remember you can't theme the entire window just the editor, nowadays you can.
And last but not the least is the Remote integration. I didn't need to leave my OS just to do work from another, I just need a SSH agent and it works. It's very straightforward and easy.
Overall Visual Studio Code is a editor that is more about choice and your own style - which makes it unique from IDEs, its fresh and its definitely earned its place as one of the most sought after tools in development.3 -
Why is working with Java such a pain in the ass? All Java-oriented IDEs eat up gigabytes of ram, have unusable interfaces with millions of switches and options and input fields, are slow as shit
And all the cli tools like gradle or whatever is used are also incredibly slow and wasteful in resources like why can I run a build, have breakfast and take a shower, and come back to it still not done???
Why do people still use this piece of shit language and not move on17 -
Is it so hard to comment your code?
I work on collab projects here and there and both the comments and documentation are both awful, nearly always, there are some exceptions.
This is a plea to all those who teach anyone to program. "This performs a loop" is not a helpful comment, nor is "This sets variable x to 1" where the line below is "let x = 1".
The last piece of code brings me on to my next point meaningful variable names. If x is a variable that stores the age of a machine call it ageOfMachine or age_of_machine. Not aom, not x but what it actually is, modern IDEs and text editors will fill this out for you.
Finally documentation, a good friend of mine sent me this quote a while back, I can't find the image but "Documentation is like sex, when it's good, it's great. But when it's bad it's better than nothing." Your documentation should be good, a good pattern to follow is the Node.js documentation, it tells the function, what it does and what parameters it takes.
Anyway rant over; and I'm sure that this applies to people outside of this community only.5 -
ARGH the next person to tell me how X is the best toolchain is getting their fucking head cut off! Holy fucking shit, this is even more annoying than the whole IDE debate. At least with IDEs everyone has a favourite one and they hate others accordingly, with build toolchains there's always a huge group of fucktards sucking each other's dick by adding new features, and they're always too busy wanking their sparkling features for small projects to realise how fucking inefficient their polished dings and dongs are for any bigger job.
For the millionth time, no, we're not switching to this popular toolchain just because it gave you a blowjob with your pet project (although that would indeed be a tempting offer), so stop talking how fast and flexible it is. Until you can show how it compiles a 500 MB project faster than our current setup, I don't give a shit how many people jerk on that nookie.3 -
I'm crying-
And idk if I'm crying from it being so funny or so sad...
Forwarded to me by my boss, found somewhere on the internet, creds to who made it
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Canoncal.. buddy.. pal..
We need to talk about the content on the server image's login screen.
Now, I get that lots of developers will use the server image out of a desire to keep their environments minimal.. but at the same time, is the same server image that will be deployed on thousands of VMs all over the world really the place to be talking about "great IDEs available on Ubuntu" complete with smiley faces?
I'm dead serious I log in and there are fifty seven lines of crap on the screen. I don't need links to your docs or support pages, I definitely don't need cutesy links to "hey look at this cool stuff you can do on Ubuntu!", and I absolutely don't need advertisements for your paid services.
This is some of the tackiest stuff I've seen outside of Gitlab shilling for GKE in the paid enterprise version.
Stuff like this turns actual users off. Sysadmins, the ones who are going to be seeing this stuff since it's visible on SSH shells only do not care about your cutesy IDE advertising.
Grow up.
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!dev
I hate it when people ask me questions that are easily googleable. I'm sorry but, please, don't waste both of our time on asking things like how to make a screenshot on an iPhone...
1. I have an android
2. Hey, you know this magical thing called Google?
3. You do know it? Oh my, good for you! Now try using it, thnx.
Unfortunately, I can never say this out loud. I just silently Google for them and send them a link. Perhaps, I need to grow some balls :D
Okay, never mind, said it once in a more polite form, and the dude replied with "fuck you, you female developers are such arrogant bitches", then he unmatched me. Good story, fun times.5 -
I started writing code at a young age, nodding games, building websites, modifying hex files, hacking etc... I started my career off tho in highschool writing embedded code for a local medical robotics company, and also got tasked with building the mobile app to control these robots and use them for diagnostics, etc.... this was before the App bubble, before there was app degree and that bullshit.. anyway graduated highschool, went to college to get a comp sci degree.
Wanted to teach for the university and research AI...
well I dropped out of college after 3 years, cuz I spent more time at work than in class. (I was a software consultant) in the auto industry in Detroit. I wasn’t learning anything I didn’t already know or could learn from books or a quick google search.
I also didn’t like the approach professors and the department taught software... way none of the kids had a good foundation of what the fuck they were doing... and everyone relied on the god damn IDEs... so I said fuck it and dropped out after getting in plenty of arguments with the professors and department leads.
I probably should have choose CE .. but whatever CS imo still needs a solid CE/EE foundation without it, 30 years from now I fear what will become of the industry of electronics... when all current gen folks are retired and nobody to write the embedded code, that literally ALLLLL consumer electronics runs on. Newer generations don’t understand pointers, proper memory management etc.
So I combined both passion AI and knowledge of software in general and embedded software, and been working on my career in the auto industry without a degree, never looked back.2 -
My internship is about to end in two months. I was under the impression that I'll start looking for a job towards mid August and then decide what to do. I didn't expect my company to offer me a position so early before my internship ended.
Initially I had liked the place. The work was pretty relaxed and I had quite a bit of freedom. Soon enough, I proved my worth and my team started respecting my opinions and suggestions. They even consulted me on multiple occasions.
The first thing I noticed on the downside was the company, despite being resourceful enough and having a decent turnover and important clients, was quite stingy in terms of employee welfare. There was no coffee. There was machine but you had to buy the capsule for yourself. And that sucks. I know I don't need to say more but the other problems were there was no enterprise subscription (or any subscription) to PhpStorm even though our team handled so many PHP projects. I know IDEs are personal preferences but not having any professional IDEs is not something to let slide. The lead dev uses NetBeans (and not because he loved it or anything). Even though I worked on WebDev and front end, I had no option to ask for a second screen. I had one display apart from my laptop. Usually most companies in Paris provides food tickets for internships and this company did not even give me that. And worst of all, there wasn't really anyone I looked up to. As much as I enjoy responsibilities and all, I don't think I should be in an environment where I have nothing much to learn from my seniors. For some fucked sense of security and certainty, I was willing to overlook all this when they offered me a position. But I recently had my interview and the regional manager, a fuck face who still makes me wonder how he reached his position, made a proposal for some quite a small amount of salary. What infuriated more than his justifications was his attitude itself. There was absolutely no respect whatsoever. It was more like "We'll give you this, I think this is more than enough for you. Take it or do whatever you want". I asked for more and he didn't even bother negotiating. I declined the offer.
Now this would have solved all the issues. But my manager and my lead dev like me a lot. Both of them are pretty nice people. They both were bothered with the fact that I had turned down the offer. My manager even agreed that the offer was too low and had already given me tips to help me negotiate. But after I turned down the offer, she went and discussed the issue with the regional manager and he offered me a new proposal. This time it was decent but still under my expectations. I'm pretty sure I can do better elsewhere. I said I need time to think about it. I get multiple advises from people to take it atleast so that I get my visa converted to a work permit. For some reason, I want to take the risk and say no. And find something else. But today my lead dev called me aside and asked me if was going to say no. He really tried to influence me by telling me a lot of good things about me and telling me about the number of different projects we're going to start next month and all that. Even though I'm fully convinced that I don't want to work here, just the sheer act of saying no to these two people I respect is sooo fucking difficult for me that I can already imagine me working here for the next one year. The worst part is I can clearly classify their words and sentences into stuff they say to canvass me, stuff they're bullshitting about and flattery just to make me stay. Despite knowing I'm being taken advantage of, some fucked up module in my head wouldn't stop guilt tripping me. I don't know what to do. If I only I could find a really better job.
Pardon the grammatical errors if any. I'm just venting out and my thoughts branch in 500 different ways simultaneously.5 -
IDEs are a bane on programmers and entice you with sweet autosugar into habits and religious beliefs on style that have no grounding elsewhere than your little bubble.63
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So I'm about to buy a laptop, and as any good developer Im already thinking on what are the first things I'm going to do with it, so far I've this list:
1- Enter BIOS and make sure everything is right.
2- Boot and configure all the crap that Windows asks
3- Download and install chrome and uTorrent
4- Download Fedora
4.5- Format the HHD
5- Partition my SSD and install fedora
6- Configure my dev environment, IDEs, runtimes, git aliases etc
7- Install Windows in another partition.
I'm I the only one with a routine?11 -
I finally turned my MSI laptop into a fully functioning dev machine. I just activated Windows Linux Subsystem, and got XCFE4 to run, then installed some Jetbrain IDEs ontop of it. And I'm straight up in business. Now I don't need to go out and buy the new shitty Macbook pros for $3k11
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I started using vim today
Not sure if I'm gonna ditch GUI IDEs and editors completely, but I think I'll try using only vim for a day or two, see how it goes9 -
Visual Studio 2017 (RTW)....
Hmmm..
You are not there yet, but I trust you.
If anybody can be best (among IDEs), it can only be you.
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I've reinstalled android studio five timed… today. on a chromebook, 4gb, ram. but 16gb ssd. it has no regard for storage whatsoever.1
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There are a lot of things I don't understand in life, but the fact that I need to press tab three times in xcode to select the item in the popup tooltip is just ... I don't know fucked up?
I have a var called: isItemSelected, I need to press tab three times for it to use this option while in all other IDEs I used if it is highlighted then one FUCKING PRESS ON TAB BUTTON SELECTS THE HIGHLIGHTED SHIT !!
Fucking Apple shit -.-1 -
Too noob to actually use a text editor for all prog languages. I use IDEs depending on the one I'm coding.2
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We've got a new CS teacher this year, and she wants to teach us how to use a step debugger. But, instead of using eclipse or IntelliJ, she thinks we should all use BlueJ, which is just as bad as fucking JCreator! Why do schools, particularly highschools, use these shitty ass IDEs? IntelliJ has a free community version. And I'm pretty sure that Eclipse is just free. Why the fuck aren't we using either of those?!5
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Stop whining about slow IDEs. If the IDE is running slow its because your shitbox computer is pissing it's pants. Get rich and buy decent hardware or use notepad and imagine the syntax highlight you cheap hook-nosed fuck. Fucking degenerate.8
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A weird one..
I spend a few hours every day simply walking in the nature. I'd like to use that time for coding. However it's easier to light fire under the sea than write code on a phone :)
then there are tablets. Not powerful enough for compilation nor does it have powerful IDEs, but it could be quite handy to vnc to a decent computer and do the stuff-stuff :) but tapping a screen ain't something pleasant. A physical kbd would be much nicer
So before I purchase a tablet with sim slot - are there any other, more suitable solutions?10 -
I'm so used to using IDEs that I'm expecting double tapped words to highlight other instances of the same words while browsing the web 😅1
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At the core, alongside repositories and IDEs, the trusty pen + paper is best for seeing bigger picture and fast note taking.
Although my chicken scratch handwriting isn't one to rave about.
It's changed from cursive to curseive over time...
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No Rant:
I guess I will start a religous discussion with it but I want your opinion on what tool I should learn.
Vim or Emacs (or stay with my IDE)?
For all of my programmer life I used IDEs... From Eclipse over CodeBlocks over VS to IntelliJ.
But now I realized that I want to be one of the cool kids. And using plain IntelliJ is uncool. No matter how much I love this tool.
So now I want to invest some time into learning. I never managed to do much in Vim since all code-completions sucked ass, feedback on syntax errors was bad and I never saw how I could be any faster with that shit compared to what IntelliJ does for me.
Will Emacs solve all those problems? Will Emacs make me code 1000 times faster and make having a mouse useless?
Or am I just too dumb for Vim? Can Vim itself do what my IDE does for me? Will it make me look as cool as I want to be?
Or should I stick to IntelliJ and just install Vim bindings?
What is your opinion on Vim vs Emacs vs any IDE?10 -
IDK why our teachers make us write code on paper when we have cool, fancy IDEs with auto correct 🙃 I think they are preparing us for job interview coding rounds from class 12 onwards😂😂
F for those who miss a semi-colon and the teachers gives a round zero😂5 -
!rant
To all the hardcore Vim users:
Why do you prefer Vim over IDEs ?
Are you faster/more efficient using Vim ?
What are it's main benefits/drawbacks in your view ?
I'm familiar with it, but nothing more than that. Usually use it just for quick and dirty edits, but that's all.
I'm seriously considering making the change to Vim and I can't explain why. Read an article once why Vim is still relevant and some features as to why that is, but I'd like to get more opinions on it.22 -
I go to the reddit programmers pages, here, the holy stackoverflow and github and it seems like everyone has 2 or 3 languages they know and love... Then i look at job applications and those fuckees want you to know several fluently... :/ ready to uninstall all IDEs
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I probably have a dozen IDEs/editors installed. And I used to use all things JetBrains for their specific language.
But for the last year or so, I'm incredibly impressed by how little I open any of them anymore because I can do everything with VSCode. It's just that flexible. -
Anyway, so I've been learning the basics of Python and Kotlin since a week, I just wanted to ask if I could get IDEs and resources for both of them.
Also I know more IRL languages than programming languages, just saying.4 -
My 2 cents on IDEs: they are wonderful and make development speed outrageously quick but for junior developers, I think some of them can be too large of a handicap. I have been using php storm with my symfony framework projects for two years now. I've recently started using vs code and I can't believe how much more I'm actually having to understand the structure of my program to get things done. I've been so use to the highest degree of auto completion that I have not even bothered truly learning the inner structure of the apis I'm using (google, fullcontact, office 365) cause I'm so use to putting something like $calendarevent-> and getting a list of everything I could ever want. It might just be me but actually looking over my apis structure and my projects structure to decide my next approach has made me think more and learn so much more about what I'm actually working on. Also I think ide git tools are a major crutch and junior developers should learn to utilize gits command line and all the options it offers.3
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Today was a rather funny day in school. School starts for me at 13:40 because our timetable planners are so qualified for this job.
First 2hrs: Physics, fine its good
Second 2hrs: Discrete Maths (however you want to call it)
Goal is to write a text (30 pages, 10, etc all those standard settings). Teacher prefers Latex over word, but we can do it in word if we want. We could choose a topic, I took primes because it looked the best. I decided to use latex because I'm a fetishist and it simply looks better in the end. A classmate was arguing with our teacher about ides: texmaker vs kile. And I'm like "I use vim". So my teacher is like kk
Later that class, when we actually started doing stuff I started the ssh session to my server because I don't know any good c++ compilers for win and I'm too lazy to get a portable version of cygwin (or whatever its called). So in my server I open vim and start coding my tool for Fermat Primes (Fermatsche Primzahlen, too lazy to actually translate). And this teacher seriously is the best teacher I ever met in my life. Usually teachers are like " dude r u hakin' the school server?" and I'm like bruh its just vim and I'm doing it this way because I cannot code on your PC coz I can't install a compiler. And this teacher is like "oh hey you actually use vi, all cool kids used it in 2000. I first though u were kidding and stuff..." And we continued talking about more of stuff like that and I have to say that this is the first teacher that actually understands me. Phew
Now I'm going to continue writing my 30 pages piece of trash latex doc and hope it'll end good1 -
You know what the best invention is for devs?
It's not JS, not C++, no IDEs, not VIM, not VSCode, not Linux, not Apple, not a computer (🤔).
It's coffee :) hmmmm....2 -
My eyes don't feel comfortable on some dark-schemed IDEs or text editors. But when it comes to Sublime & Atom, I like them dark.4
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[rant]
From the bottom of my heart I swear the thing that frustrates me the most in this industry is over complicating simple things. Making simple ideas overly convoluted makes me cry.
I mean why have a dedicated Windows server, that you login to via Windows Remote desktop, just to edit a Word document in a bespoke program that is running running Microsoft Word inside it anyway. Why not just just Word? Why spend a year developing such a system for a problem that simply doesn'y exist.
I asked what benefit this has over me just editing a Word file myself on my laptop. In short, their answer was none.
The other apparent benefit to the system was the ability to jump to specific parts of the document. Well after showing them how to do a table of contents, they saw no need for their existing system.
I'm amazed sometimes how simple ides get discussed to death, unnecessary mammoth systems get built, that ultimately solve a problem that does not exist.
[/rant]
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Anything from JetBrains is top-tier. Those guys just rock! Their IDEs and programs are just fantastic. Made by developers, for developers.
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So, this is my first actual rant since I joined devRant and I am not saying I am perfect either. Here goes nothing...
1. I honestly hate it when people use spacebar instead of tabs
2. People who have a bad indentation or no indentation at all (even though almost all IDEs have auto-indentation). The bad thing is when a person asks me to have a look at their code I always end up wasting time fixing the indentation rather the actual problem.
I love a properly indented code and that's one of the major reason I usually recommend Python to most people.
3. Lastly, people who leave lots of unnecessary empty lines. E.g.,
public class HelloWorld{
public static void main(String[]args){
System.out.println("Hello world!");
}
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Dark theme or Light theme??
Some ranters here become fanatics about dark theme. and this subject turned out from a personal choice to a standard, and people start calling light theme "garbage", "crap" etc...
First of all, for the grand range of people the light theme is healthier and more clear, some researches were made on this topic and found that ark characters on a light background are superior to light characters on a dark background (when the refresh rate is fairly high). Also, with a bright display (white background) the iris closes a bit more, decreasing the effect of the "deformed" lens; with a dark display (black background) the iris opens to receive more light and the deformation of the lens creates a much fuzzier focus at the eye.
Like I said, it's a personal choice, so stop being lame and pretend that dark theme is the slogan of developers. Don't get it wrong, I use dark theme for some IDEs too, but I will never ever call people using white theme with some lame words..
And finally, grow up, it is not about the theme, it is about the quality of what you deliver3 -
Why the fuck does android studio freeze on every 7th deploy. I just want a world where jetbrains can actually create useful IDEs please.4
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To all my people who don’t like to code emails (the sane people): there is MJML. It’s an easy, quick and overall the best way to create emails nowadays. You won’t need to learn quirks, you can learn MJML in a day and make pretty much any email you need.
There’s even a vscode live preview plugin, don’t know about other ides though but I’m sure there is something.
LONG LIVE MJML4 -
I love, that most of the standard shortcuts of every single software I've ever used don't work on a German Keyboard layout :(
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While everyone is going crazy over Eclipse today, please remember there are other IDEs also.
#EclipseToday1 -
*launches devrant: * almost everyone talking about types of IDEs to use, while I sit here with just a text editor in my own farts contemplating how much different will my workflow be.4
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Context: New to typescript. Writing a thing, doing it for work, good opportunity to stretch my dev legs. Using a propriety lib, alternatives not an option.
Rant begin:
SOOOO, who the fuck thought THIS was a good idea:
1. Lib has minified react in dev (because closed source) meaning no downstream errors AND the entire premise of the lib is that a widget is a react component, so I'm writing typescript react the entire time without downstream errors
2. SHIT docs. By that, I mean there's an API reference page that's so sparse there's literally a set of CRUCIAL interfaces that only say the word 'Interface' on them. That's it. that's what i get. It's an interface. NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK, what the fuck is it though? What's its purpose? Is it an interface for a dog? A dog that has a 'shit' property? or a cat? or a cat eating dog shit? Nobody fucking knows - the docs sure as fuck don't care.
3. No syntax highlighting - editors, IDEs (i've tried a few) can't even find the lib inside this environment, so Code and everything else thinks I'm importing shit that doesn't even exist - so no error prediction, code completion based on syntax of the library, none of that.
4. There are some EXTREMELY basic samples - these samples exclusively use React classes - no function components, no hooks, nada - just classes and even perfect replicas of the sample code display erratic behavior like errors about missing props, so that's mostly FUCKING USELESS
5. And this... this is where the straw breaks the fucking camel's back... there's no... there's no hot reloading... Do you know what that (in conjunction with the previous 4 fuckups) means?
When I write anything or I fuck up (which of course I'm doing every time I write half a line because how the fuck?) I have to restart the client and server EVERY FUCKING TIME and manually test to see if the error (THAT ONLY GETS REPORTED IN THE LOCAL UI) is gone or different.
Then, once I see the error, it isn't an error: it's the minified React error-decoder link and guess what? It isn't really clickable a link OR copyable, meaning that every FUCKING time I get a new error, I have to MANUALLY TYPE A FUCKING 50 CHAR URL TO FIND OUT A GENERIC REACT ERROR MESSAGE WITHOUT A LINE NUMBER OR ANY FUCKING CONTEXT. I HAVE TO DO THIS CONSTANTLY TO SEE IF ANYTHING I'M DOING EVEN WORKS.
6. There's no github to complain to the maintainers or search for issues because it's NOT FUCKING OPEN SOURCE so there is literally nothing to be fucking done about it.
This is due in a week and a half, found out about it last Friday. How's your day going?
PS: good to be back after a long respite from dev ranting.1 -
Things which make me feel badass tester (and dev too) are: dark themed IDEs, using command prompt/ terminal (still as exciting), and when my code actually works lol5
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I might be pushing my 4 years old macbook pro too hard with 2 IDEs, 1 instance of datagrip, and tons of open browser tabs, all on 4gb of RAM..6
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I am insecure about using graphical user interfaces. E.g. IDEs, COTS systems, cloud tools, and ERPs. If I don't know what is happening inside the box I don't feel like I know what I'm doing.7
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I always choose light theme in all my IDEs and unable to answer whenever some one asks why. Mind to share some of yours?9
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Don't get a Linux system because most pro devs use them, stick to a windows system and focus on things like your programming language, framework and IDE.
P.S windows has one of the best IDEs4 -
I'm preparing slides for my "Vim in an IDE world" talk right now. Do you use vim emulation plugins inside Intellij-based or any other IDEs? What do you think about them? What can you recommend to the beginners?12
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I'm considering going to Linux for my main operating system since windows 10 is bugging the heck out of me. Although, my main IDE is visual studio 2015. What IDEs are out there for .NET development in Linux and what are their pitfalls compared to VS 2015, if any? Are you still able to create all the things in that as in VS? I'm usually working in MVC and ADP.net forms and maybe the occasional console app in C#.3
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I feel like I know what I shouldn't know. I know a little about using jQ and JS (mainly little plugins) but I can't code js from scratch.
I use vanilla html and css and my environment is notepad++.
I feel like I should know SASS, Pug and use Webstorms or some other professional IDE. And learn js.
Which preprocessors do you prefer? Which IDEs and which point to start learning js from scratch?8 -
is there a google docs for ides? like, real time editing where you can collab while you are?
i think that would be cool.
anyone else?5 -
Hi everyone my name is Dylan, but people call me solario eh im an empty web developer! no ideas in my head about what i should create next, the only thing that helps is InnerText in this senario i found my first application on school computer!!! no more web based glitchy ides i have the perfect one right here =D,
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I know this topic is tired and this isn't supposed to be a pure "REEEE SPACES BAD" kinda rant but I still don't understand why people would ever use spaces over tabs for indentation. I'm genuinely curious so please give me your arguments in favor of spaces because I just don't understand
So here's my position:
Tabs are objectively better than spaces in every single way
(I know that IDEs also do some of these for spaces, more on that later)
1. They are typed with one key press
2. They can be removed with one keypress
3. They allow for individually configurable width (some people prefer 2 and some 4 width)
4. They take up less memory (kinda irrelevant, but still)
5. You can properly navigate your code using the arrow keys which is much faster than using the mouse while typing
6. You don't have problems with accidentially having one too much or one too little
7. You don't have problems when copy pasting or moving code around (e.g. refactoring)
8. Code is much easier to select with the mouse, and
9. it's much easier clicking the right spot with the mouse where you want to continue typing, which is often at the start of a line
Apart from specific alignment, where spaces are fine (but which also almost never comes up), I just can't see a single thing where spaces are better at. So much so that most IDEs have to *pretend* that they're tabs when typing and removing them. It's so ironic yet people still defend it and big companies still use them.
I feel like I'm going mad 😨56 -
I used to not care whether I used light or dark themes, so I mostly used the light theme in IDEs. But, seeing as all of you like dark theme so much, I decided to only use dark theme.
Now my eyes burn when looking at white surfaces.7 -
!tech (maybe)
just having a stream of woke moments and thought i should share.
1. about IDEs. When someone tells you "you are wrong" , you ask them why. But when someone tells you "You are wrong, here's the correct way to do this" , you might not be as tempted to ask them why as to just accept their solution without much research.
in the latter scenario, you will end up like a robot with just mugged up knowledge base of things being fed to them .
Sometimes i think jetbrains have understood it and they are more and more trying to make me their robot bitch , when it highlights my code as yellow and wants me to change. Thus its very important to research and not just say "because my IDE gave me a warning for writing code like that"
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2. About governments : I like cold fusion videos, and recently saw this one on huawei vs usa : https://youtu.be/HExhxPDOewE
Just having this thought that country government treats themselves like some billionare family elders and their companies like their children. They think that we are rich because of our children doing great business at home and outside and give motivational talks /leverages to their children (as in china giving tech talk about wanting to be world's most powerful by 2025 amongst its companies) .
They are equally jealous of other countries gaining power and don't wanna see them rise. Like USA thinking "I am giving business to china's son huawei. how come that china threaten my power by the money i gave it to them" and so it attacked china's child huawei.
The reason could be either being jealous/scared of other country's growth, being protective of their own country , some genuine concern or any other thing, but they would just make small scale wounds like this, not a direct blow or total cutoff.
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3. about life. Every system is broken. Every person/place/thing you think you can rely on is unreliable. There is no certainty of anything and probability rules the world. You can either whine about it or adjust to it for your own personal growth.
I have always whined about how shitty my college is and how the teachers suck and not doing their jobs. That's a small part of reality : In actual, no one whom you expect to do you good is doing it correctly : government is super corrupt and ain't doing their job of keeping people safe and healthy, your parents might not able to provide you a stable future, your college might not teach you beneficial stuff, your partner might not give you as happiness as you want, NOTHING. keep whining about it and keep losing
But another point of view is redefining the expectations . YOU ARE A HUMAN WITH AN ABILITY TO HEAR ,THINK AND ACT . so that's what you should be doing. the whole world , your parents, your teachers, your government, everyone around you is supposed to give you directions and small tips that you are supposed to hear , research, think and act on them.
In that manner, everyone but you is doing their job correctly: For me, My college gave me shitty teachers, but they would provide labs with internet and books with buzzwords, and seniors with good paying jobs . I was supposed to use them to find a path in my life that would be interesting and paying .
The parents are not supposed to create an empire for their children, rather support them in their endeavors
The government um... i guess is supposed to be shitty? So that native small scale companies can grow, provide employment and let people generate revenues. Can't think much about that, woke moment is over
(Peace)9 -
Windows 10 insider preview had a critical bug like half a year ago where most browsers would freeze the PC. I've reported it multiple times but my feedback didnt get any attention. The bug made it to production months later...
Now, the story is repeating. I've discovered a bug. Everytime there's a software update for apps that with a built-in updater in the main .exe (JetBrains IDEs, VS etc.) the updater fails, program is corrupted and needs to be reinstalled. For instance, there's a minor bump in Android Studio version, if you try to use autoupdater it will corrupt your Android Studio and you'll have to reinstall.
Been trying to reach out to them but the only "real issues" that are highlighted are "no CPU temp in task manager" or "pls improve automatic problem resolving"
Why the fuck do you even have a feedback program if you're ignoring the people who are reaching out to you, you pieces of shit4 -
Visual studio code
I usually use IDEs and am in love with everything made by Jetbrains. I am also to lazy to setup dual boot on my pc, so I live with windows 10. After one of the recent downgrades Microsoft distribute, they shipped this lightweight text editor called visual studio code with it.
It lied to me, that it's a good editor for coding C. It even tells me that I can compile and execute the code from inside the editor, similar to vim. I went to the settings and found a dark theme, for the best best feature this "editor"has to offer.
I give it a try by opening a source file with a normal double click. Editor gets focused, but the code is nowhere to be seen. Retrying conforms my, that this piece of shit is literally not able to open files UNLESS you drag and drop them into the editor. HOW FUCKING USELESS IS THAT?
Next I want to compile the program. Guess what, that functionality was not given or at least I could not find it (same goes with the manual)
Even with dark theme it burns my eyes to use this editor. There are almost no useful shortcuts. The functionality is not even comparable to vim. I always thought eclipse was bad, until this shit was installed.
It might work well for other people. Maybe it has functions, that just don't work on my pc, but from what I've seen: visual studio in general and especially that editor feels like Microsoft trying to replace the toolet paper with sandpaper.8 -
This is starting to get out of hand...
We shouldnt be makig more IDEs we should be eliminating them.
Like Ryan Dahl once said:
“We should not be supporting more programming languages. We should be killing them. All these bullshit projects are confusing people.”
Same with fucking IDEs...
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So i was commenting on a rant by some user where we had this conversation about IDEs and editors...
Point: Intellij has an option to set a background to the whole ide which gives coding a unique experience instead of the pale dull solid color background.
Go to Settings > Appearance > Background image is in the main appearance tab click and set the image, position, transparency ... And voila u have a background image on your editor.
Alternative way just go to settings and search for background image12 -
That’s IT!!! I’m throwing in the towel, I’m sick of IDEs crashing and bloating up Code, zero transparency. And tired of shitty incircuit debuggers breaking.
Going old school again, give me a text editor, terminal, a scope and a com line, I’ll be fine.
Fuck the text editor just give me a terminal, OSC scope and com line.3 -
The past couple of weeks I've been struggling with my laptop. It regularly ran out of memory and when that happens everything runs in a snail pace. I always thought 8GB would be enough for developing software, but I was terribly wrong.
So I ordered another 8GB and installed it yesterday. Later at work I looked at the ram usage and noticed that it was up to nearly 13GB!
I have no idea how I managed to get by with only 8 for so long. 🤔
FYI: I usually have 2 to 3 IDEs and a gazillion chrome tabs open 😅7 -
Anyone have any good suggestions for Java IDEs/Editors? I'm using Eclipse right now, and since I'm a student I can get IntelliJ Ultimate free, except I can't figure out why the run/debug buttons are greyed out...
Also would be cool to suggest good dark themes for whichever program you guys mention. And which OS would be good to use? I'm thinking Ubuntu right now
Plz don't hate for these dumb questions, I'm only a first year xD8 -
I freaking hate slow IDEs, especially ones made in Java.
I used to use an IDE/text editor called geany, and it was great, you could do almost every language in it and it worked great. It was fast, and efficient, it was a no-nonsense editor. That was when I was a kid, but I got in univ and got a job, so I had to start using big boy """""enterprise""""" IDEs like eclipse.
Eclipse, netbeans, and intellij (basically every Java based IDE except BlueJ) are exactly what is wrong with IDEs. They are clunky editors that frankly would be better off gone. They are slow, eat RAM like crazy (like most Java software). You just CANNOT have eclipse open for extended periods of time, because it WILL take up too much resources and get slow as heck. Android Studio (based on intellij) is a nightmare to work with. It just does not want to cooperate with you (I will agree they have improved a lot though).
I cannot believe I am saying this, but even the electron based IDEs like atom and code-oss are better than them. They are very easily expandable, something that Java was supposed to be, but is not. They have tons of plugins. Even if its not there, you can make one without having to spend a lifetime making the plugin! They look good. I never thought that going from IDEs with """""enterprise""""" UIs to something modern like code-oss would feel this great. Its ridiculous, I don't want to create a darn project for every single file that I want to edit, I just want syntax highlighting for a single .sh file that I want to edit right now. A project is just a way to logically define what is one "unit" or a "container for multiple files", you know what else is that? A simple directory.
Also I don't want 9 billion .xml files for the IDE to store its crap. Just make a .vscode like folder to hide your shit.12 -
So, I recently switched from a windows laptop (XPS 13) to a macbook pro and my friend has been bugging me about whether I'll ever go back. He is a wannabe frontend developer and wants a windows laptop. No matter what I tell him, he seems to have tunnel vision. What are your thoughts on this? And what is your personal experience with Windows vs Apple for development?
(Pls don't kill me, it's my first post on devrant, thnx)16 -
I mostly can’t see properly on dark themes. Thank you light themes for existing. I use slightly dark themes for IDEs though (One Dark)
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Just found out that my project bought intellij idea's licenses just for two of the laziest devs while the rest of us are stuck with open source ides6
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So what Text Editors do you guys use at your jobs? I'm in high school but I would like to know which Text Editors/IDEs programmers in the field use. I use sublime, VS Code for my programming and for HTML and CSS I use Brackets.
Side note.. this update for devRant is pretty nice c:16 -
just installed deepin linux, man this shit is sooooo beautiful! it's based on debian in the new version (15.4, formerly it was ubuntu based). It has its own store where you can find sublime, vscode, most of other editors and even IDEs.9
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IDEs vs Text Editors? Wanted to get your opinions.
IDE- code suggestion(auto completion), easier to configure build options
Text editors- minimalistic and...?12 -
We had this teacher in uni that was teaching several lectures and one of them being mobile computing ( actual name, but it was just android dev).
So on the first lecture he started to add a single button on the screen and trying to add an onClick functionality. But once he started to write the code he got errors (didn't include Button) and said to everyone:
"Ok, this is normal and now when I click on IDEs save button this will go away" ofc it didn't go aways.
So after 5 minutes of trying to write the full code from head he just opened another project and copied the code he need and tried to run the app (it crashed).
So after about 2/3 of a lecture I stopped laughing and went over to his desk and just hit alt+enter to import the lib and built the project without errors :D
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How to put dark theme on Windows?
Do not suggest using Linux, I am a gamer and dual boot is a pain.
I already have dark theme everywhere, Chrome, IDEs, and even my phone... its just Windows that hurts my eyes. :-/9 -
Am i the only one having a strong tendency for afternoon sleep?
It's 5.12 in the morning now, and i am still awake because of this stupid , holiday routine that unknowingly happens on every damn holiday.
I wake up with a sound 10-12 hours sleep at 12 noon or 1 pm, eat some breakfast (or "brunch" , you say) , turn on some youtube or web series, watch it till 2/3pm, then try to study/ code , and then... Zzzz am asleep..
Usually am on my bed full time: eating there , studying there, watching movies there... so maybe that's the reason, but i sincerely don't understand where this sleep comes from?
And then i wake up at 9 or 10pm, eat some more on the bed, back to binge watch till 12 or 1 in night , then eat some more, then binge watching some more , and then when my mind seems to drift back to sleep, i realize i haven't studied anything and then i start at 4 or 5am..(that is , now)
Every fucking holiday ever. maybe these web series and other diversions that messes my brain, but even if am not watching any web series, i am in front of youtube tutorials , stack overflow, twitter , my IDEs,... for almost an equal time.. and the sulking extra sleep routine still happens.
I am starting to think that its somewhat related to being in front of laptop for full day than what am watching on it. whatever this is , I only want to be able to work on my usual holiday afternoon, like i would do, when am in college or some coaching centre5 -
!rant Everybody blame guys for using different IDEs, languages, tools or libraries. But what we all have in common is the feeling of perfection, when you code a function of 30, 50, 100 or 200 lines of code and it runs without errors on the first run 😍1
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Intellij / vim
I primarily use intellij(-based ides) or vim.
Jetbrains is doing an awesome job with the intellij platform.
If its GoLand, IDEA, Pycharm, Webstorm, Rider or DataGrip.
Once you have indexed your project it works flawless. The autocomplete is EXTREME fast and very good. You got quick actions, refactoring and barely need to use your mouse.
Everything works fine. And if there is something missing there is an plugin for it. And if there even doesnt exist a plugin already, you can code one!
The price is relatively high, but its worth every damn cent!
For light editing and ansible stuff i primarily use vim.
Its good to go and i am pretty sure i am using not even 1 percent of the features. Although i am learning new stuff about it every day.
Its cool if i just want to code distraction free and dont want to leave my sweet $HOME. Yeah i am a linux & bash fetishist, although sometimes its driving me crazy.4 -
One thing they do not prepare you for in computer science nor distributed systems: having 5 IDEs open, writing integration between all five of them so that new features will talk amongst all platforms with ease.
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js developer during the day, python developer at night. The constant switch is almost impossible to adapt to and I see myself up to 2 times per functiin/merhod wondering why this block won't run, just to realize, that implemented a feature from the other language. IDEs provide much less support for script languages than typestrict languages. The choice of libraries is nicely overfitting all your needs and most of the documentation reminds me of my teachers, because they also like to simply force their logic on you, without explaining the backgrounds.
Script languages are fun2 -
Language targeted IDEs no longer serve as much of purpose in a space where most of us are working on client applications alongside a backend and whatever fleet of other services required. I’m not gonna run phpstorm alongside webstorm and pycharm. If they want to stay relevant, build an all in one with optional extensions. Charge per language extension if you must.18
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Oh god why!?
Somehow I decided that it would be nice to have a proper spell&grammar checker in VS Code for me and my friends to write our reports in Latex with.
Decided I wanted multiple language support, so I turned to language tool.
GOD is this thing slow as a very unmotivated snail!
3s to process 9 phrases!? And then add one second to pack the results in a JSON string!? An option that I'm still very grateful exists, but why the fuck would you disallow line-by-line processing, which you expressly recommend for IDEs, and which cuts processing time by 30%, when JSON output is asked!?
Well, serves me right for thinking for even a second that a Java program could have decent performance...
This whole thing is starting to look like it's not gonna be nearly as fun ss I anticipated it to be.2 -
Spent half a day creating my CV, some time ago and today it was time to upload it to my site.
Unfortunately, swapped the first and second arguments of the tar command, so the CV file got overwritten with the tarball...
After about ten minutes of panicked searching in my browser cache, I realised that the jetbrains IDEs have local history 😀
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Why so many people complain about Vim? Just drink Nuka Cola.
Anyway, my first scripts were done with edit, in MS-Dos...
Anyone who can't learn how to use a tool... Well there are so many IDEs...
Just use something else1 -
I've been a user of NetBeans IDE for PHP for quite sometime. I use it both at work and at home for personal projects. Lately I haven't done many personal projects so I fired it up on my Mac only to find it utilising 100% of all my CPU cores. This has always been an issue with NetBeans for years and it just seems like they can't be bothered to fix it.
So now I'm on the search for a replacement. At work now I use PHPStorm, but the $200 yearly license for small personal projects is a bit much. So for the time being I'm going to be trying out Atom with the ide-php package. It's a shame really as NetBeans is one of the good IDEs out there, but it's such a resource hog that I'm not sure how people can do any work on it.4 -
I basically hate anything that IDEs aren't smart to fix typos.
- JavaScript, but usually not TypeScript
- Python
- SQL, mostly.4 -
What baffles me is how despite being on version 3 of Swift, Apple still havent updated Xcodes refactoring tools to support it. All I want to do is rename a variable or function but oh no. "Xcode can only refactor C or Objective-C code". Yet they are plowing on with new features in other areas like the interface builder but completely ignoring the tools that make IDEs useful.
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Im trying to learn vim in my spare time. Obviously, I am fumbling around and am nowhere near as productive coding than in the IDEs im used to.
For you vim masters put there, how long do you think it will be before I would be productive enough to use it as my main editor, assuming primarily learning in my free time outside of work?6 -
Sigh...this is kinda stupid.
I'm getting a new ThinkPad at work after 4 years. At first I was like "oh yeah...a new machine!". But they are replacing my quad core T540p with a dual core T560. The T560 CPU has a 30-40% less multi core benchmark score (surprise).
So...dear IT: We are not a small 50ppl company that builds some console apps or small shiny hipster web sites. We are developing fucking large business applications with dozens of projects. Our IDEs and our compiler platform are benefiting from raw CPU power and multiple cores. So can I pls not getting A FUCKING DOWNGRADE AFTER >4 YEARS FFS? THANK YOU!
(before anyone asks: keeping the current notebook is not an option because of warranty/support contracts)5 -
Folks
I need your input on the following
how important do you think having high core count in CPUs in your daily workflow?
I'm planning on buying a new ryzen 5000 processor, while I am going to game the hell out of it I'm also planning to run wsl2, a ton of chrome tabs, maybe have multiple IDEs for developing random stuff, maybe some virtual machines for some experimentations, some docker containers for some selfhosted software and lastly open demanding games while having everything else open.
Will a 6 core 5600x be enough? or do you think investing in a 5900x will be worth it down the line? (lets say for the next 7 years)
Assume that the GPU will handle the games im going to play and the RAM is going to be 32gb for now12 -
Why is it that everything looks so ugly in Ubuntu? By everything, I mean the IDEs (Eclipse/Intellij), editors (sublime/vs code) and even the web pages. They look more clean and pleasing in Windows or Mac.
Is there a extension or plugin that'll make things look "pleasing"?
Sure, I can edit the font to be anything I want in vs code, but it is only for the editor. The sidebar and the menu still is in default system font (I don't like Ubuntu font)4 -
Well i need to get a laptop but i can't sort out what to buy.
I'll be using visual studio 2017 at uni and I'll be working with different IDEs for fine tuning my web skills.
I might use it for photo and videography related work and making models and mods for games...
I'm a pretty confused man who wants to try everything to get a taste ....
What do you guys suggest?
// No Macs please !3 -
I'm currently taking an intro to Java programming class and the Prof is suggesting we use Jgrasp. He's open to us using other IDEs. What are some good ones y'all use?10
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Wanting to see if I can build a full web dev stack on my phone, any ideas?
So found I found a not so helpful terminal emulator, a programming keyboard, enough IDEs to make your head spin, and a few rooted apps if rooting was an option right now. I'm half tempted to setup ssh and ftp on a cloud server such as Google cloud.
I'm doing this to see if it's possible and able to be used during work, although I am beginning to doubt the idea will make it into my development cycle.4 -
Now that I know I can plug vim emulators into most of the IDEs, the idea of mastering the keyboard flow seems a lot more viable.1
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Do you use any other IDEs as Android Studio or Eclipse? I dont wanna use Eclipse and AS is to buggy :(. I only search an good ide for Android dev (using java)13
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My brain, my hands and a computer. Oh, and one of them JetBrains IDEs, depending on the language I use.
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Have you ever loved (or admired) a company because of the quality of their branding but never used (or tend to use) their products?
In my case is JetBrains... beautiful company website, UI of IDEs, etc., but I find them unhandy.
It's strange because I follow them on socials, read news about them, etc., as if I was excited about them, but never actually use them... a platonic love. Am I crazy??20 -
Fuuuuuuck my country. Like seriously, in what kind of dynastic Era are these people living in. Outdated manuals, outdated IDES. old fucking references. What's the point of going to uni when I'm going to have to update all that info into new standards. UGHHH!!!
And your choices are all narrowed down to ONLY informatic engineering. This is BLASPHEMY. DEBAUCHERY.9 -
IDE: JetBrains IDEs with Material theme (Dracula)
Editor: VS Code
They are fast, amazing and beautiful while I write code.2 -
I can't find a good theme for my jetbrains ides. Can you please recommend some color scheme, font or theme?4
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I'm having a laptop which is powered by i5 3230M with 6G memory (1 x 4G and 1 x 2G). Sometimes I can feel the lag while I'm working on multiple IDEs. So, how much more memory do you guys suggest?
(2 x 4G) or (1 x 4G and 1 x 8G)20 -
Is passion overrated?
I've met devs who started out passionately but after a long while they say that they couldn't even stand the sight of their IDEs but then they had gotten into a consistency or a routine which is what drives them and that the passion that they started off with burned off along the way.5 -
BlueJ for Java and the IDLE for Python.
No big difference to coding in NotePad.
Just don't understand, why IDEs for learning purposes are that feature-less.
"Hey, you want to learn to code in that specifc language? It would be a shame, if you have to do almost anything by yourself."4 -
Anyone had experience running IDEs on the new pixel books? I'm specifically thinking of using it with Android Studio and JetBrains' Products
I'm specifically thinking of getting the i7/16gb ram/512gb model.1 -
IDEs should be more transparent as possible. The code you see in course editor should be exactly what we see when inspecting via browser tools.
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After start reading on devrant I noticed that somehow people are using vim and emacs quite a bit. Why are you using them m? Are IDEs or Editors like Atom/Sublime not far more sophisticated than CLI Editors?11
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am I the only one switching between dark and light theme in my IDEs depending on my mood and the outside temperature?
today definitely light!
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I have learned most of the keyboard shortcut for the IDEs i use. My favorite keyboard shortcuts are VS's.
Let's not forget about snippet -
So I'd like to see some opinions on different editors and IDEs.
I personally use Atom, and I really dig all the functionality and packages it has available. What do you use and why? Hear a lot of suggestions for VSCode and the like... and it looks cool but does it do anything Atom can't? They all seem fairly similar to me in the long run if you take the time to set them up the way you like.14 -
I hate VCS integration in IDEs. No I do not want to add the new fucking file to Git, IntelliJ. Urgh6
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In order to make PRs/codebase more readable and 'arranged', I introduced common formatter in team since people were using different IDEs.
Still, there were missed PRs coming. Turned out people aren't used to formatting. So I created macros for different IDEs, to format on save, when keypress 'cmd+s' happens.. Found out this is common practice in many places.
Still, PRs are coming messed up...
Turned out people don't use 'cmd + s' at all... they use IDEs' auto-save support.
Now I'm out of ideas... Any help?2 -
The absolute worst experience i have ever had with a dev technology was a mixture between notepad, pgeLua and a PSP.
Back in 2010, i coded a game called "ReapeR ValleY" for PSP (homebrew). I had no idea what an ide was and i have never really coded before that.
That resulted in a 1500+ line code that in a single file written in notepad. The performance was horrible since it just ran through the same lines of code over and over again with arrays filling up and flowing over with data.
The entire game was written in pgeLua (a supposedly more game friendly version of Lua) and ran on the PSP.
The PSP needed to be overclocked in order to run the Game smoothly. I had to restart the entire PSP when the game crashed and i already installed a custom bootscreen that basically shortened the time to boot.
You can still find the game online hosted on various websites. It was my very first and unexperienced attempt at coding, but it worked.
Moral of the story: you can code with just about anything, but when you don't inform yourself about IDEs, frameworks and such, it might be painful.
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I hate Java. I was using PyCharm for all my python development. I wanted to extend it, but I hate Java. So I looked into other editors - Atom and VScode. But when I found out I would have to extend them with JavaScript, I realised what I was better off with PyCharm again.
Yes I know I could use sublime, but I hate its licensing.2 -
Java, what a wonderful language, I'm happy that I won't use it anymore, and I'm thankful that I learned C++ before. Everything about Java is bad (okay, it's good to write once, run it everywhere [only if you have a VM]), anything with Java on it is the devil (JavaScript I'm looking at you).
A wonderful example of well-done software done with Java is IntelliJ IDEs family, I can't even look at them without feeling dizzy and disgusted, sometimes I cry in the night, thinking about what could be if they were written in C++.5 -
My favorite tools:
IDEs : Jetbrain's IDEs intelliJ, pyCharm, ...etc.
The only exception is Visual Studio for C++ ( for no reason but I haven't tried Clion yet)
Text editor: atom
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Short Story, !rant:
I'm a java dev looking into php and laravel to be able to contribute to webtrees, an online genealogy software.
Feels odd, because last time I had contact with PHP was 4.x.
But nice to see similar concepts, eg handlers instead of controllers, conventions, decent IDEs like phpStorm.
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Guys I need your help.
Im a guy used to java development, so used to nice assisting IDEs.
Turns out my boss has a very complex and not very organized server written in Dlang which im supposed to add a semi-complex functionality in.
So far I have a Linux-Mint VM running a docker container able to build the system. Now I'm really not used to editing code without an IDE and all IDEs I tried on windows or Linux dont seem to work (maybe due to minimal knowledge in Linux and D).
Furthest I got was to get Visual Studio set up with Visual D, but it wasnt able to import the dub
project giving weird unsearchable errors.
Is there anyone out there able to get me started with an IDE? The server is on a github-repository, is a dub project and has a few dependencies.
I'm just totally lost.5 -
!rant
Ya boy is now officially an intern! I'm starting next week, everything is sorted except one thing: we have to bring our own computers and basically get to use whatever software we want. I've got a fresh install of Mint and was wondering what IDEs or editors everybody here uses (and recommends), since I only really have a bit of experience with Atom and Netbeans, and I don't think I'll be able to get away with coding in Notepad++ or Gedit here.15 -
looking to move away from jetbrains products as i will be finishing school soon. what ides would you guys recommend? i do quite a bit of python but i would like it to be able to be expanded to other languages.4
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I always thought J2EE was like a completely different thing from general Java. It has features like Enterprise management beans, special packages and has it's on Project type, structure in IDEs.
But it seems like it's not actually that different? If you use Spring, Hibernate, custom library annotations and build a Servlet, web server with @POST, @GET or use Serialization... And maybe use JDK instead of JRE, Maven, Ant... apparently that's considered J2EE?9 -
Anyone using TabNine—especially the Pro version?
Impressed, or meh?
What language/IDEs have your tried?6 -
Why can't Eclipse save non-project-specific customisations somewhere centrally? Why do I have to customise my editor fonts, colours and hotkeys again every time I open up a new work space? Why would they think I could want different editor fonts, colours and hotkeys on every different project I work on?
I so hate Eclipse!
I so hate IDEs!4 -
My favorite code editor/IDE are the IntelliJ based IDEs (GoLand, Rider, WebStorm, ...)
There are nice to use, have many features that help developing -
I really love JetBrains IDEs and I use them all day. However now the unit tests in the IDE are broken and cannot be run anymore. Please fix asap :( I can't work like this.2
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I am confused.
I've been using nano to edit stuff for quite a while (mostly bash scripts)
I'd like to use the terminal for more stuff and move away from IDEs
I mainly write C++, should I learn vim or emacs? Pros? Cons? I won't use nano since I feel like I need something more powerful but... which one??9 -
Curious to know what devRant thinks about a macbook air (newest model) with i5 and 8 gb ram for a developer.
Usage consists mainly of running jetbrains IDEs, like IDEA and CLion, maybe some front end using sublime text.
I know it would work now, but I'm curious if it would still be decent in, say, 2 or 3 years. Thanks!2 -
MPLABX, eclipse and netbeans are biggest pieces of shit software in the world, fucken a I can’t stand this slowness, over bloat, locking up, and the unable to resolve bullshit,
(Porting a suppliers project and build script over to a simple makefile, and so the project can open and build in sublime or vim rather these other bullshit IDES9 -
I was just curious about this: how many of you guys uses emacs/vim? Is it your main editor or just for quick editing? Any specific reason besides familiarity?
I ask this because I'm a late adopter of emacs. It is my quick editor (I use jetbrains IDEs). Fell in love with mu4e and twitter-mode, but org-mode was the deal breaker.3 -
Call out to all web developers out there... what IDEs is everyone using?
I started with notepad++ a few years ago then moved onto atom... I’ve tried a few others but never really got attached to them. Is there any other, anyone thinks is better than atom?10 -
!==rant
Are there any good cloud-based IDEs that:
1.) Supports C# (ASP.Net Core / MVC)
2.) Would work on a Chromebook3 -
Guys I need some input.
So me and my coworker discussed IDEs and I told him about this comment I read on StackOverflows blogpost about the developer survey of 2019.
Here's The link: https://stackoverflow.blog/2019/02/...
And the comment mentioned that he/she wanted more choices when it comes to IDE themes.
That got me thinking, what other than light/dark would be Nice to have. And why?
And why arent we given more than two to choose from?8 -
What do the new ARM macbooks mean for developers who don’t exclusively work with Apple platforms? Will they be able to run all the current OSX software like IDEs and Docker?6
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Honestly? The environment... I have different styles in different languages and IDEs, for example I started Java with NetBeans that defaults brackets to same line, so when I use Java I default to same line brackets, C# on the other hand, Visual Studio defaults to brackets on their own line, and so do I.
You could see me write same code on different languages/environment and it would be styled differently. Yes I know, I should be burning in hell,I am THAT kind of guy xD3 -
I have a laptop with 8gb ram, 1Tb HDD, i5 7th gen running windows 10 and Ubuntu. Right now I'm using windows 10 as my primary OS, I'm simply addicted to the gestures especially the four finger swipe to switch desktops. I have been thinking of adding an SSD to the mix and my budget only permits a 120gb M.2 or a 250gb normal ssd.
The advantage with m.2 is that I can keep my HDD and boot my OS from the ssd and maybe install my IDEs on there but with the other ssd I'm gonna have to take my HDD out and use it as an external.
I read somewhere that 250gb above SSDs are the ones worth spending money on and that the 120 and 250 doesn't justify the price or life.
So my question is, should I go for an SSD? and if I do which one to go for m.2 or the normal one?3 -
I really like Linux but it makes me mad when apps I use, like Adobe XD, are available for everything but Linux.
I'm not even going to start with HBO not being able to load streams on Linux. I payed money to stare at a black screen.
I tried to use PlayOnLinux for Adobe Creative Cloud but XD doesn't even appear there.
I also hate dual booting because when I'm using Win or Linux for a bit I tend to make different desktops for different programs/IDEs/browsers and I like them to be open at all times for easy access when I want to do shit. Dual booting means having to open all this again
VMs are even worse in that they tend to be very slow and when I see choppiness when moving windows I immediately "nope" out of that shit
I can't put up with Windows's bs anymore, but not being able to use the software I need is even worse.
I don't know what to do3 -
I hope I never again have the misfortune of having to get projects for Eclipse-based IDEs building in an automated headless way.
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TL;DR
I'm looking for a good cloud based python IDE. Let's hear suggestions...
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My employer provides me with a MacBook to use at work, however they use a custom OS X image that has whatever security configuration they decided was essential. Something about the configuration prevents me from running third party Python packages.
During those times that I'm "waiting for work things to compile", I'd love to tinker with a little Python project I'm messing with. Does anyone have any suggestions on cloud based IDEs for Python?
Yes I've Googled it, plenty of results. But anyone have suggestions based on their own user experience?
Thanks ahead of time!6 -
Fuck powershell.
How in the world can one lang have so much problems with date conversion, and chars like üöä. Its so funny how they get through just fine sometime when u specify encoding utf8 but other times it has no ides wha5 these chars are.
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Hi devs
What's the title on your IDE?
As the image below shows, mine is "{Project} - Microsoft Visual Studio"
I'm basically looking to see if most (if not all) IDEs has their program name in the title.
Thanks
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How do people do anything with JetBrains IDEs? They're all soooo incredibly slow! I'm sick of waiting seconds after a right click.7
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