Been looking around ways to improve devrant's user experience a little, Idk whether you guys like it or not.. Just a suggestion 😂

Started working in a company as an intern, they want me to do everything whether I know how to or not.

When WhatsApp is not sure whether you have messages or not😂😂

That moment when you haven't had any server issue notifications when you wake up and you're starting to wonder whether your server issues notification thingy is actually functioning correctly 😅

!rant
A programmer walks into a bar. The bartender wonders whether to keep a tab or 4 spaces...

My non-dev boyfriend installed Python via the command line and ran a server to render a map of Pokémon in his neighborhood. I don't know whether to be impressed or scared 😂

Testing in production??

Don't know whether to laugh or cry!!😂😥

Sometimes I wonder whether it's unhealthy for my desk plant that I explain her my code.

Code is reflection of your soul. Consider whether your soul is shit.

Attack is the best defence! I read my emails in the morning and figure out whether there's some action for me. When I go and get my second coffee, I drop by the PM's office and have a short chat with him.

Where I am in the projects, whether there's stuff from other tasks or unexpected actions, how long that might take, whether schedules are still OK, whether I need him to take care of some customer communication, these things. Usually less than 5 minutes.

The kicker is that he mostly doesn't interrupt me because I instead interrupt him - unless he is highly busy, in which case he just says "sorry, later", same as I would do.

It's a win-win because I can schedule the interruptions while he enjoys that he doesn't have to ask around.

The ideal whether for coding

When you have to figure out whether it's better to transfer 85GB of data via internet or to load it onto a harddrive and drive it 600 km/ 370 miles in your car.

So Class, today I want to tell you a thing or two about UDP but I am not sure whether you'll get.

I enjoy coding. Whether it's a language I know or learning a new one. The problem is that I can't actually focus on a language to master or decide on a career path.

Committing is always a hard job. Whether it's Relationship or GitHub.

Stop bitching about having to write comments, they are important whether you like it or not. Trust me nobodys code is "that good" 😒

Had a heated argument on whether HTML’s a fuckin programming language or not and he claims to have 8 years experience...

Fuck bro, that dense? Everyone knows its a fuckin markup language

Let me see his code and I'll tell you whether he learned or not!!

Half of the time I open Google is to check whether my internet is working or not.

:/

ALWAYS make a backup, or at least save your files every 5 minutes (or turn auto-save on).

You never know whether your parents will click the X button and clicking No in the save confirmation.

My manager is so obsessed with machine learning that during a discussion today, he asked whether we could use ML to find the distance between a pair of latitudes & longitudes. He is a nice guy, though.

Not sure whether that's a good thing or not...

I once asked my database teacher whether he is certified on any database system or not and he said if I was then why would I be a teacher !!!

When your client still need your work to be tested in IE7....next, should I ask whether I need to test it in Netscape?

People who email you then immediately walk over to check whether you've read the email yet

My dad only cares about how much I make... And whether I have an office. I have been working remotely lately, and to him it seems like I am lying about having a job

My son has started learning javascript at school, but he is complaining that all the $ signs are ugly! Yep, they're teaching the kids with jquery.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry 😱😱😱

I don't know whether PHP or getting friendzoned is worse, but I have to deal with both right now. What a lovely Saturday evening.

Got fired for taking the initial steps for higher studies . i.e. Writing an entrance test..

Not sure whether to be happy or to be sad..

"Hey would you like to subscribe to this hammer? It's only $10 a month whether you use it or not." -Jetbrains

Subscriptions for tools and IDE's is bullshit.

In the spirit of true randomness, I like to speculate about aliens. What’s your favorite theory about them? Anything’s fair game: whether they actually exist, methods of propulsion, origins, exobiology, exopolitics, eyewitness reports by credible reporters (pilots, military, air traffic controllers, high-profile political leaders, etc.) whether abductions are real and, if so, why they do it, etc. If you’ve had an encounter, I’d love to hear about it.

Anyone wondering whether to go to university or not, here's my commits from summer and when uni started...

One of the best way to judge a JavaScript developer is 'whether he used === or ==' 😎😋

I've seen people posting their own convoluted ways to find out whether or not a number is even, so here's mine. :-P

How do you know whether a person is a Vim user? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

So people here are complaining about StackOverflow being rude and unfriendly to noobs.

Post a link to your question and people here will judge whether it's a good question/answer.

We will see whether it's the network or your questions being just bad.

Can somebody confirm whether this thing actually compiles? CD

I design logos too.

My new client wants to know whether I have sent him a logo with a transparent background or not. Because everytime he opens the png file there is a background behind it :|

The best part about home office isn't that you can fart without co-workers getting annoyed. It's that you can even use a lighter on the fart to see whether it will burn.

Boss argued with me over whether CRUD create adds data or updates it...

What do you mean you no longer want the feature? We have developed the feature, we have tested the feature, we have sign off for the feature. You are getting this feature, whether you like it or not!

Sitting with a group of artists arguing whether it's GIF or JIF when we really had to be working on an advertising campaign

I tried to crochet a pusheen.

It didn’t turn out the way I envisioned. “Maybe googly eyes will help!”

…. I have had mixed comment on whether it makes it better or worse. 😅

Wonder whether that was added proactively or reactively...

I don't know whether to say windows or Linux is great. But as always Microsoft stands separate with their business strategy.

The year is 2088, and I still haven’t figured out whether to bill per hour or project.

Help...
Please...
No?
Okay 👌

Here, you are able to see a Windows installation in its natural habitat. This particular specimen is confused whether an internet connection exists or not.

(The internet was working fine on that machine btw)

My greatest skill?
Not to explode when the client asks something so utterly stupid that I dont know whether I should cry or laugh. Maybe both?

When the developers are told to implement the given design without questioning whether a design makes sense at all
...

My coding style is influenced by how drunk I am and whether or not anyone else has to look at it.

I always wonder whether @dfox and @trogus work together in an small office or work remotely...

Did someone noticed that IBM celebrated the International Programmer Day with HTML???
I don't know whether to laugh or cry 😂😭

When people ask you to speed up their old crappy device, whether it's a phone, laptop or tablet (even though I'm a web developer), all I say is:

"Buy a new one, that isn't cheap and nasty"

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you are, or are not, appreciated by your boss or peers. 'git log' tells the truth. The only truth that really matters.

Martial arts. Learned to think calmly under stressful situations. Whether that's deadline or a fat fuck laying on top of you trying to choke you out.

Just realised I can guess your main programming language by whether your nickname is in lower/camel case 🤔

That moment when you are just testing a web framework, you type some random text, open in browser, and Google asks whether it could translate it. Yea sure... go ahead! 😛

Today I learned that the big-endian and little-endian naming comes from Gulliver's Travels, where Lilliputs argue over whether to break eggs on the little-end or big-end!

I wanted to see whether Windows 10 is worth my time... Guess not.

When you your first developer job... Time to find out whether it's imposter syndrome or if I'm just stupid.

When you meet people without a digital footprint and start wondering whether they might be ghosts.

Please realize that whether I say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, I don't really mean either.

I asked one of my engineering classmate which processor they had in their laptop.

Ans : 3GB.

I dont know whether they dont know a shit about computers or they are too bad at english.

Police: We use artificial intelligence to determine whether an image has been photoshopped or tampered with.

Code:
metadata.date_created != metadata.date_modified

"In software, we rarely have meaningful requirements. Even if we do, the only measure of success that matters is whether our solution solves the customer’s shifting idea of what their problem is." - Jeff Atwood

I can't be the only one who zooms into random pictures on the internet containing a monitor(with an IDE open) in the background to see what language they're using and whether it's a legit snippet of code.

Someone recommended me to a Company as a web designer.

After the entire project briefing, they asked me whether I knew Python as I would be needing that to work for them -_-

In two days, on 28 June, I'll know whether I'm going to enter the path of becoming a software dev or if I have to try again next year. Wish me luck fam.

When I see a coworker is having their anniversary at my company, I don't know whether to congratulate them or give them my condolences.

when a client asks for FTP access and you don't know whether to cry or panic....

Cant decide whether to talk about how TeamViewer banned me because they think me helping my girlfriend all the time was commercial use,

or when she saw my porn while abusing my computer's GPU for training her model

Weather Report: Thunderstorms and heavy downpour

Stuck at office wondering whether I really hate tab more than spaces that it wore out OR is it that I use it way too much.
PS: Currently fixing the tab button

When it's midnight and all you can think about is whether to deploy a personal project in a language/framework you know well or to take advantage and learn something new...

Who doesn't love bugs, we all love them, they provide the help needed to sleep, whether they were IRL bugs or program bugs

Who doesn't want to know the weather in the good ol' Middle of Nowhere?
Wondering whether or not it is a joke by the devs :D

Think my brain is drowning in my nasty thoughts.

I wasn't sure whether boobstrap or bootstrap for seconds.

Worst fight with another dev was whether a textbox should have a height of 24px or 28px ... It lasted 30 minutes to resolve that

People: You're creepy
Me: can't determine whether I shd feel good or bad.

Ok so I'm creepy. Thanks.☺️

suggestion:

by adding nsfw to your tags it should prompt a user that visits your rant with a confirmation screen detailing that this post contains mature content and whether they want to view it or not

Please, please for the sake of your born/unborn child, check whether the names of the entity attributes are not valid sql keywords.

While scraping web sources to build datasets, has legality been ever a concern?

Is it a standard practice for checking whether a site prohibits scraping?

To code or to rant--that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler on mind to suffer the bugs and errors of outrageous source code or to post them on devRant

"It doesn’t matter one damn bit whether fashion is art or not. You don’t question whether an incredible chef is an artist or not – his cakes are delicious and that’s all that matters." - Sonia Rykiel

They asked to me build corporate website with Registration, Social login, API integration, Maps, Distance calculator, Weather, Currency convertor, etc. Using WordPress.
I don't know whether I am f@#*ed or doomed or something else.

People who tell me they hate PHP, though when I ask said person whether he's used PHP all he can answer is "maybe once".

Don't hate on a language if you have barely even used it

Summer: when I wake up automatically at 6am but forced to decide whether to work from home or commute to the office

... because I want nice food and to go outside at lunch time

When the graphics team at the NY Times fails to test whether there are any votes reported before placing a win indicator next to Trump or Clinton

It's terrible how my mood is greatly dependent on whether my code works or not.

Feeling like shit at the moment.

Life is a constant battle of not knowing whether I want to quit programming forever, or if I just need 8 hours sleep.

Sometimes, I ponder whether I am jobless or freelancer without work .

My boss started contemplating whether to start using styled-components for react.

I showed him Vue: "oh well, so we're basically recreating Vue within jsx?"

I'm not sure what problem we're solving anymore

I was wondering whether you pronounce it 'sudo' or 'sudo'? 🤔

It's not always certain whether we do a morning standup, so usually someone asks "su?" in our Slack chat around 9:15

I'm _so_ tempted to send the flag of the Soviet Union every time someone asks that.

lol,my mom just called me to check whether I had lunch or not. I was working and forgot what time it is!

I wonder whether I use software one of you has written, without knowing it (obviously) ..

"The question of whether computers can think is like the question of whether submarines can swim." - Edsger W. Dijkstra

Started doing Java because i thought it had much better libraries than C++ .Now after doing it , still not able to decide whether to stick with Fucking Java or with that Fucking C++ LOL.

when you check your mobile each 5 min to see whether you have new up votes/comments on your latest 'rant' and you're like 'just checking the time' 😅😅

Decided it was time to grit my teeth and actually bunker down and learn a bit of C++...

Im 1 hour in and hinestly am not sure whether I hate Pyton or C++ more at this stage .-.

after 21 years today was the day i let go of my personal homepage.

still don't know whether this is just a depressive short circuit action or at least reducing channels of unfulfilled socialisation.

Entered a demake game jam and can't decide whether to demake DOOM (2016) or Skyrim...

Hmmm, choices and choices, anyone else have suggestions?

I hate being in program purgatory. You don't know whether your program froze, or the CPU is hustling to crunch out those numbers. To kill or not to kill. That is the question. Q.Q

Anyone have the devrant font file
.ttf
Is it open to the public? I saw one in github but i cannot believe whether it os legit or fake

Whether you think you can or think you can’t you’re right

So today I have to give my defense which will decide whether I graduate or not! Wish me luck!

Some rants are so relatable, that I doubt whether it is my colleague or not.

A coworker asked me about a specific tool because he "had heard" that I had some experience with it, whether that tool would allow a certain use case, and whether there was some documentation.

Wait, in which project was that? None of mine anyway, hmmm... ah that one, from a few years ago. Who wrote the reports back then? Can you guess?

THAT MODDAFOKKA!

How long do you guys stay at a job before switching? Whether due to pay reasons/lack of interest/etc?

Asked someone at University whether he has an account on GitHub. He replied: 'I have a git account but that's the same.'

If you get into a fight that concerns whether Android or iOS is superior, you’re not using technology... it’s using you. And it’s sad.

that's convenient...

IDK whether I should be happy it crashed or should I be worried because it knew where I was going and pretended to crash

When you look back at your shit spaghetti code you only wrote 3 days ago, and you don't know whether to laugh or cry.😆😢

Are you planning on entering politics?

Because your documentation is dishonest, doesn't mention side effects and is not meant to be read humans workout a law degree.
Your code on the other hand makes me question whether you try to troll us or whether you are actually unable to understand what you were supposed to do.

I can now say I've stayed up until 1am debugging. Don't know whether I should be proud or disappointed

How do such people even breathe???

Does somebody here know whether comments of this kind can be generated by an IDE?
I have to assume they used PhpStorm due to some hints in some files.

I remember making a site for a client, where whilst registering an account you would get a checkbox for whether you want to signup for the newsletter or not.

But I never added any functionality to that checkbox.

So, whether you check it or not, you would still get the newsletters. 😁😋

I bet there are many other sites, who do this.

My local government made a website where you can check whether your registration for covid vaccination has been successful because the bureaucrats keep losing people's applications.

Yeah so I quickly hacked stuff together. Why make it beautiful before I know whether it will actually do? Hack now, refactor later!

Yeah and then that moment in refactoring where main() gets under 700 lines and I don't know whether what I'm feeling is joy or despair. Gaaaahhhh!

At least I have also written automatic tests so that I can see when something breaks.

Because my work is remote, whether I’m in the office or remoting in via VPN, it’s still the same. I just don’t have to spend an hour in traffic each way. If anything, things have been busier.

How I decide on whether to update drivers: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

When your CTO asks whether or not its CMD + or CMD - to make things "bigger" 😂

I feel like an imposter sometimes but then I look at some of my colleagues. I'm not really sure whether that's a good thing or not.

2020 will be either the greatest or the worst, depending on whether the newly elected government in the UK decide to continue to shaft freelancers and Contractors

Anyone else get neck pains due to sitting at a computer all the time? Not sure whether it is that, or if I have not been sleeping properly 😟

"Good design at the front-end suggests that everything is in order at the back-end, whether or not that is the case. " - Dmitry Fadeyev

Serverless will become increasingly prevalent.

Javascript will become even more prevalent than it already is.

I make no comment on whether I think the above are *good* evolutions, however.

There is a pretty large blackout going on.

At one of our customers a 20 years old sun was running. Backup power didn't suffice.
We will see whether the drives spin back up once power is back...

“The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim.” (Edsger W. Dijkstra)

Make up my mind on whether to stay alive 🙃

Just a quick thought...

If you are storing files in your Windows computer, you are giving data to them for free.

Who knows? Whether they have "root:" access to computers all around the world. Same with macOS.

The 2 worst days of my life has made me to think whether i have made the right career choice..

Switched from Chrome to Vivaldi. Gotta say experience is much more pleasant. Interface is beautiful and customizable to my liking and not such whether I'm imagining it but my laptop battery seems to drain much less

Anyone here knows whether this is valid?
This is the default code for a new Visual Studio C++ Console Project.

Trying to decide whether or not to learn Node.js, I have been using PHP for the past 4 years and I feel that I am not up to date with the changing Web Development Community.

"Whether you think you can or whether you think you can’t – you are right." - Henry Ford

Wondering whether there will ever be a day where I will not have to google for "how to auto format code in [some IDE]" 😌

What's the worst thing that happened to you today?! 🥲 😕

For me, it is, accidentally putting my node_modules folder into antivirus for scanning!! 😭 😩

I don't know whether I can use my antivirus ever again ... 🥺 😞

! Rant
Today I realized that someone can roughly determine whether or not a laptop belongs to a coder just by observing the keyboard carefully.
Just look at this " { " lkey on your keyboard.
Even the most used language maybe.

Dear programming languages,
If you had to be case sensitive, then why the fuck can't you settle on whether to use an S or an s for a
S/string declaration.

When you check whether Carphone Warehouse stocks the phone you want to buy. Well, bloody undefined! 😳 Some other weird shit is going on with this UI. 🤷‍♂️

Heh, I'm curious... Before you ++ someone, do you glance at how many ++s does the person already have? Does this influence you choice whether to ++ or not?

And how about comments? Does ++s count affect whether/how you coment on one's rant/comment?

I've caught myself clicking ++ only bcz I saw the uswr already had >10k. I wonder why is that :)

edit: I'm not proud of it

When shit breaks and you don't know whether to be depressed because it may be your fault or mad because poor decisions and seniors refusing to offer help may have made the problem worse. It's a fun Friday.

😣

A non dev has no right to pass judgement whether a dev is good or not. Be it engg manager or a product manager or any other manager

!rant

I don't know whether I am too late to discover focusmusic.fm, but the song selections there are just too good. There isn't any song I haven't liked. It perfectly sets up the environment to work in.

Not sure whether to tag this as a rant or a joke, because it feels like equal parts of both. So fucking disappointed with Australian government.

Just saw this at T-Mobile...

As a php developer, I don't know whether to be proud or sad

Has anyone heard whether the new iPhone X comes with a cracked screen or do you have to pay extra for that?

Overhearing discussions/arguments about whether it's pronounced "su-doe" or "su-doo". Come on guys, it's just a matter of preference, it's not a religious battle.

Programmers wise thoughts:

Programming is solving a puzzle. Whether you have to piece something new together or change a wrong piece

Huh... Seems like my company is going to implement flexible office/home hours even after lockdown is lifted.

Not sure whether they're trying to rip us off, because we're going to use office space less and they will pay less accordingly, or whether it is really a an improvement because allegedly many people here responded that they would like to have such a flexible option rather than being glued to the office space.

Scrum master sends a team wide mail and Apple Mail thinks it’s from a mailing list. Ummm.. wut? How come? What’s the algorithm to deduce whether a mail is from a mailing list or not?

I have only read negative things about slack - can any of you give me a good list of reasons for why people don't like it and whether that's accurate

I discovered @media(hover:hover){} today. Needless to say I have a bunch of animated cards with “Hover over me!” or “Click me!” rendered based on whether there’s hover support.

Writing code and then testing whether it works... This was pretty badass, until it wasn't.

New job. They asked me whether they should give me a new laptop or will I be using my own

Although Im more comfortable using my own, should I accept the company laptop? (It's the same laptop I currently have)

CORS in Web Development: useful Bastards

I don't know whether to hate or love them

6 months of procrastination whilst trying to decide whether it will be worth doing, and whether I actually have enough skill to do it

Books, tutorials, documentation and reading/understanding code; whether it's mine or not.

My biggest annoyance as a front end developer is no longer knowing whether to do something in PHP or JavaScript anymore.

Seems to be creeping more towards JavaScript these days.

#kotlin
when you don't know whether you are writing code, or is it a comment.
doing #java for couple of years has its effects.

When you realise they are using computers and AI to estimate your level of humanness before deciding whether or not you are human enough [to pass the capcha].

Our humanity is up to machines already

Uncle Bob, Martin Fowler, Kevlin Henney, Doc Norton, Allen Holub.

They have all taught me great things about software development, whether through books or superb conference talks.

The moment of decision whether to hardcode something or keep it dynamic ...cause knowing your clients ...they're definately gonna come back with more requirements

I'm conflicted on whether it's worth the time in uploading my app to the google play store. What do you guys think?

"I want to create an app that rates other people. That way law enforcement officials know whether or not to trust them"

I once had a heated discussion with another developer over whether AngularJS is backend or frontend. For some reason he believed it's a backend framework.

Security starts as soon as the project starts. Every decision you make needs to be one that considers whether you will compromise on security - but human beings fail to do this for one reason - bureaucracy.

It's quite difficult sometimes to understand whether I am tired, sleepy, bored or just frustrated about doing the same things again and again and again...

I had a friend who asked whether the floppy disk virus could have been from his sweat #collegedays

The moment when you just recompile your code to check whether the compilation errors got fixed automatically.

I just work without thinking about whether I want to do it or not. The more you think about it, the more you don't want to do it. Just get to it.

Both team members quit on a hackathon 2 days before the deadline. I was more curious whether I can do it than desperate, but I spent those 2 days coding. Didn't succeed though.

Guys, do you agree that C++ is getting overly complicated following the updated versions?

At times I wonder whether I should leave C++ and jump to python as my goto programming language.

when I meet strangers I don't know whether to tell them programming is my hobby or profession

Whoever uses "status" as boolean in responses to indicate whether error happened (true) or not (false)??????!!

Every time I read something on computer (which I haven't previously come across), I can't figure out whether it's a l ( small case letter L) or a I (capital case letter l). Worst case is working with passwords. :(

this project is so ridiculous at times that IDK whether to laugh or to cry :D :D

Frankly, I don't even know how to compose a rant about it.... :D

"Whether the task is writing, design, or hanging a picture straight, it is obvious that we do our best work when healthy, rested, refreshed, alert, and eager to do the job for its own sake." - Jeffrey Zeldman

fucking internet explorer asks whether to save the json response sent by my api a bug in it.
can't change the response to text/HTML can lead to xss.
why why do clients have to use ie

Hello Guys, I am in a dilemma whether I should update my Laptop to Windows 10 Fall Creator Update or not. Any honest opinions or recommendations from Devs?
(posed to Windows Users)

"We always give feedback whether it's positive or negative usually within a week." said the guy who interviewed me 3 weeks ago.
Is it so hard to send me a simple fucking e-mail?

My colleague got cycled. I asked him whether he had any previous experience with MVVM in C#. Response went something like: What is that? Another model view view view......controller? I sent him for another cup of coffee...

I don't get it.
The job listing is for a developer. I applied as a developer.
Why do they ask me whether I'd be willing to do tech support? What's their motive?

Is SVN still acceptable and how much worse is it compared to git? I was just transferred to a team which still uses it and I am debating whether I should just comply and learn it or to push for git.

Whether I care to admit it or not....

My most prolific teacher has been compiler error messages (oh, and intellisense).

Write 5 pages full of relevant information for a 15 mark question in the Human computer interaction exam but the teacher chooses to give me 2 marks , why? Because I didn't write everything that was given in the words exactly ( I had written it in my own words) . Don't know whether today's engineers are supposed to know how to use their brains or whether they must just know how to copy paste some shit.

Whether you're a newbie or a programmer with 10+ years of experience, you'll always go to StackOverflow and GitHub 🤣😂

Made a plugin for wordpress, simply to tell me whether my site is in production or not.

Buying crypto just feels like gambling... The only thing I'm doing is looking at the charts and deciding whether it prolly go up or down... Hit a peak....

I seriously can't decide whether I'd rather be a front or back-end dev...

Her: and they were roommates
My autistic ass, picking my belly button while contracting my neck muscles on the left side, trying to balance the tension in the precise spot between regular and uncontrollably cramped, singing “One” by U2 in my head, keeping my eyes completely relaxed to focus on those little blurry floaty thingys, knowing full well that when you focus on them, they disappear, assessing whether it is time to trim my nostrils' hair, focusing on feeling the surrounding smell, wondering whether I can figure out whether it is time to change my bedsheets without getting closer to them to smell them properly (do I feel the smell? I don't feel it, but is that because bedsheets are fresh, or because I'm too far away to smell it?), thinking about whether my T-shirt is exactly centered and whether one side has more fabric than the left, thus weighing more, so I have to readjust it, also thinking about whether “text/pain” is a good enough name for my book: please continue

(I know that the answer is “oh my god they were roommates”, but I want to socialize and not appear as a smartass, all while thinking about whether it's authentic or not)

That moment when security web analysts ask you whether navigator is a technical term or something that we made up.
Job description: js developer.

Some guy posted an issue on my repo asking about my license and whether he could add my app to F-Droid, does anyone have an experience with that?

This popped up when I was searching for SimpleHTTPServer in pip.
`pip3 search SimpleHTTPServer` and I don't know whether its good or bad.

Debating whether to be the guy that posts deep slash depressing shit on here. Or let my other personality of a meme Lord handle my devRant

What are some good uses for the Raspberry Pi 3? I'm debating whether I should get one to tinker with.