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What advice would I give a new dev?
"Learn COBOL"
No one specified that it had to be 'good advice'7 -
>Building advertising platform
>Life is good
>Fire up the dev server and open in browser
>No assets
>What the fuck
>Check code and config for like an hour it's all good
>What the fuck
>Try incognito browser, it works.
>What the fuck
>Oh yeah. Adblock. Fuck.4 -
> be me
> want to write troll "viruses" to fck arround with frieds
> write batch files
> shit everyone can see what I do
> google 'how to make exe'
> install VS
> google 'make exe with vb.net'
> spend 3hr/s copying the Internet
> send friend exe
> blocked by antivirus
> write other bullshit
> actually learn stuff
> shit I'm kinda good at this
> keep going
> 4 years later
> be system administrator / devop / web dev / app dev / desktop dev
> get paid
> inb4 wants to troll friend - finds dream job instead7 -
Manager: This button is too dark, you need to lighten it. Have you no sense of design?
Dev: …
Dev: Hows this for an adjustment?
Manager: Wayyyyy too light now, jesus you need glasses if you think that’s good.
Dev: …
Dev: How about now?
Manager: It’s close, make it just a little more dark. God why does this have to take so long, do I have to hold your hand through this entire process!
Dev: …
Dev: There that good?
Manager: Yes that’s perfect! Send me a PR immediately so I can approve, we need to get this out ASAP, it’s critical!!
Dev: I can’t.
Manager: ????
Dev: There’s no diff, you had me gradually adjust the colour back to exactly what it was originally.
Manager: THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE IT LOOKS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. HOW DARE YOU INSULT ME LIKE THIS, I HAVE A MEETING I NEED TO GET OFF TO BUT WE WILL BE HAVING WORDS LATER ABOUT THIS INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR.
Dev: …16 -
!dev
Knocked over a beer bottle with my hand and caught it mid-flight.
Felt like a fucking ninja.
No clue why I'm sharing this but goddamn that was good.4 -
"This dump is taking forever" - things that sound strange outside of a dev environment.
What are some other good ones?34 -
Recruiter: This is a 100% remote position
Dev: Good! That’s what I’m looking for.
Recruiter: But the company does require you to come into the office “on occasion”
Dev: I live 5 hours away from your office so that would be not a good fit
Recruiter: And once covid is over the ability to work remotely will be getting reconsidered. You’ll likely need to move cities in order to continue your employment with them.
Dev: Yeah I’m looking for 100% remote work
Recruit: This is 100% remote! Just with the need to come into the office sometimes now and potentially more later.
Dev: …15 -
Oh boy!
Time to apply for dev jobs!
Good thing HR is fair and just!
*submits résume*
"I'm sorry but you're not qualified. The programming language we use is listed last on your resume."
Welcome to HR Hell ladies and gentleman.2 -
So I have implemented all the features required for the current release. Carefully reviewed my code several times, but no testing.
Tester: everything passed green. Not sure whether you're a good dev or I'm a bad tester.
Me: let's call it a draw.10 -
Interviewer: So are you familiar with our company and what we do?
Dev: I looked at your website, looks like you build tools for managing restaurants.
Interviewer: No. That’s not even close.
Dev: ?
Interviewer: What we do is create an ecosystem of integrated data centres all orchestrated for immediate stakeholder utilization.
Dev: But the product itself…. it’s a user interface for tracking inventory. Of like…. burgers…. and bottles of wine.
Interviewer: It’s not a product! It’s a data……habitat!!
Dev: …
Dev: So does that make your users animals?
Interviewer: 😡. Unfortunately it looks like you do not see our vision and would not be a good fit for this role.
Dev: Agreed.27 -
Interviewer: For this next code challenge you will not be allowed to use the internet, or an IDE.
Dev: …
Interviewer: OR a keyboard OR a mouse. I will be verbalizing the code to you and you need to memorize it and tell me where the bugs are.
Dev: …
Interviewer: We must do this exercise to know how you are as a dev without any performance enhancing “aid”. This way we can understand where you are truly at skill-wise, and what you are truly worth from a compensation perspective.
Dev: …
Dev: If I get a job with you will I be allowed to use the internet and an IDE and a keyboard/mouse?
Interview: Of course you would! Getting anything done without those is just about impossible. We just need to evaluate you without them to see how good you REALLY are.
Dev: …20 -
Fuck any dev who thought playing sounds automatically on a webpage or on a mobile app without user's consent is a good feature. Especially when you don't even include a setting about it.
Yes I'm directly swearing at any devs from Instagram.10 -
Applied for a student JetBrains account, i got accepted in less than 12 hours. Thats what I call great customer service!14
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GUYS I GOT MY FIRST JOB, I'M SO FUCKING PROUD OF MYSELF (not a dev job, but I'm still in high school so anything's good enough for me)15
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I just got handed a legacy php web project... Full of vulnerabilities... And it's using only mysql_ functions... Not only it's not OOP, there is not even a single class...
How good it's coded: User profiles are created manually by the frontend dev as htmls, and then the past php dev implemented them as links etc in the current page.
This is how I feel:
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Conversation I just heard
Manager: How's everyone doing?
Dev: I'm actually really tired. I've been having trouble concentrating and reading. I think I need a vacation.
Manager: Oh but that's good. You see, the brain is like a muscle. Today you lift 30kg, tomorrow you lift 40kg. So you will be able to handle more and more stress as you progress. That's great.
Dev: ...19 -
Recently found so many 299++ and I gave them all the last one for the stress ball. Enjoy it fellas3
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!dev
First night at a camping: waking up a gazillion times at night, everything hurts and I've got a headache.
Good morning to you too 😑9 -
So I’m working on an app with a friend who is designing it and I spent a week building a custom segment control as a menu bar. He said that it looked nice but he got inspiration to make a tab bar instead 😑
Cheers to the dev life
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**at daily standup
Dev: and along with a push to production that is what I’ll be doing today
Manager: Good good, alright, nice….. ok who else hasn’t gone yet? Dev how about you go next
Dev: …I literally just went
Manager: What? Well what did you say then? Hey when is that push to prod happening? I feel like there should be one happening sometime soon.
Dev: …8 -
The good thing about devRant is that everyone here respects each other just because everyone here knows or likes the dev world, we're all a family here. Not like those Stack Overflow bastards.10
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Interviewer: We keep having devs take off for other opportunities after a short period of time. We need someone loyal who will be sticking around for the long haul. Oh wait, you only have one dev company you’ve worked for on your resume? Yeah that’s not good, we only hire devs who have worked for lots and lots of companies.
Dev: …9 -
Recruiter Email: We need experience in Doker!
Dev: I could potentially be interested, what is this new technology? I've never heard of Doker!
Recruiter: It's not super new, it's the traditional Doker! You know, good ol' Doker!
Dev: Like Poker? Or Joker? 🤡
Recruiter: What?
Dev: What?9 -
Project Manager: Hey Gid, we need to start migrating project-A to the new Server.
Me: Okay, I will inform Dev-Q.
Project Manager: Please do and treat as top priority!
Me: Hey Dev-Q, we need to migrate project-A to the new Server and we need to get it done asap.
Dev-Q: But I'm currently working on some critical bug XYZ which PM wants fixed before COB.
Me: I dunno maybe you want to speak with him.
Dev-Q: I was told to...
Project Manager: Yes! we need that done right away.
Dev-Q: What about the critical...
Project Manager: No! treat this as top priority the client just called.
Dev-Q: Okay.
Me: Any update yet?
Dev-Q: Yep but it seems like the database is quite large and the migration may take a while.
Me: Okay take your time.
Dev-Q: {hours later} Pheww done! All files and database migrated successfully.
Project Manager: Good good. So the critical bug XYZ was also completed and migrated to the new server right?
Dev-Q:
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Couple years ago, in an Indian web dev company I worked at, the management decided it would be a good idea to ask all employees to "justify their salary" and submit their answers via email.
(You read that right)
70% workforce submitted their resignation the same day, resulting in the HR (who came up with this idea) getting fired on the spot.
Good times.8 -
Beating https://regexcrossword.com/ felt good.
But I have to admit: I could not beat the last one without breakpoint in the validation JS code. ;)
Being a web dev actually proved useful - free hinting system!
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Drunk Dev 1: These wifi signals are really take toll of brain tissues and may probably cause brain cancer. 🙁
Drunk Dev 2: Let’s power off our wifi router. We don’t need wifi while drinking. 😏
Drunk Dev 1: Good, but what about other wifi signals in proximity. Your neighbours ?? 🤨
Drunk Dev 2: Oh poor, they wont get into our brains as our brains don’t have password for their wifi thus, we can’t connect to their access point 😎
Drunk Dev 1: 😳6 -
Today was a good day. The toilet door was stuck for two hours because the lock broke. After the locksmith came and tried his best, we had to kick the door in. Fun fact: a fellow dev was stuck on the inside...10
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Visual Studio Code. I went in expecting to hate it, but gave it a chance due to good reviews. Been hooked for months now.
Surprised to see Microsoft create such a slick Dev tool.4 -
Non-dev thing that made me a better dev?
Music, and trying to learn music theory. I was never very good at it, still am not, but the harder I try at this, the easier programming becomes...7 -
!rant
Finally back to coding at the new office. Better connection speed. Wider space. Own toilet.
Guess you won't see new posts from me anytime soon.
Just gonna enjoy the rest of your miseries from my chilled desk.
😎5 -
How many guys have experienced this?
Heard this from a supposed Linux user
Other dev: I have been using Linux for 3 years I'm really good at it.
Then sees me use "cd" and "mv" commands
Other dev: wow that's some complex stuff
Me: 😂😂😂
True story2 -
Dev at some point of the Interview.
Me: ...and how good do you consider yourself with vanilla JavaScript.
Him: erm... I think I'm very Good with Javascript but to be honest, never heard of that Vanilla framework. There are so many libs/frameworks that it's hard to keep up.
Me: ...7 -
When the frontend dev argues that Pestashop is a "good product" because "it just works" and "you can click everything up, no coding needed"
Any good tips on how to hide or disolve a body?9 -
!rant
Our lead dev in the company seems to be a smart guy who's sensitive about code quality and best practices. The current project I'm working on (I'm an intern) has really bad code quality but it's too big an application with a very important client so there's no scope of completely changing it. Today, he asked me to optimize some parts of the code and I happily sat down to do it. After a few hours of searching, profiling and debugging, I asked him about a particular recurring database query that seemed to be uneccesarilly strewn across the code.
Me: "I think it's copy pasted code from somewhere else. It's not very well done".
Lead Dev: "Yeah, the code may not the be really beautiful. It was done hurriedly by this certain inexperienced intern we had a few years back".
Me: "Oh, haha. That's bad".
Lead Dev: "Yeah, you know him. Have you heard of this guy called *mentions his own name with a grin*?"
Me: ...
Lead Dev: "Yeah, I didn't know much then. The code's bad. Optimize it however you like. Just test it properly"
Me: respect++;2 -
~ 10yrs ago, Dad: I'm a dev, your mom's a dev. I paid for you to go-to business school... But you still became a dev. And your brother also wants to be a dev
Now after me and bro moved back with then bc of COVID. The house is basically WeWork on weekdays.
Good thing we're all devs so can with remotely.9 -
I just realized that my fucking boss managed to put a back end dev to do front end and a front end dev to make an api.
So me and the front end dev are constantly asking each other stuff instead of doing the fucking job properly because it isn't the subject that we like/spend our free time learning.
Although I understand that its good to have some "full stack" knowledge I also understand that my ui/ux is gonna suck while his api is gonna suck :)5 -
Fuck web dev.
I dabbled in many areas but I do web dev most often. And seriously: fuck web dev. Your site has to work on multiple browsers. Multiple screen resolutions. The code has to be tiny for load time. The images have to work for every resolution and still be small. The styling can look different in different browsers. So many useful javascript features are only supported by modern browsers. An on top of that: IE.
I’ve gotten quite good at all of this, but still: it’s such a fucking pain.10 -
I write blocks of code like this:
If(condition){
code
}
I'm trying to fix a bug and the previous dev is doing it like this:
If(condition)
{
code
}
Does anyone know any good nerve calming pill ? 😜19 -
Not meeting any good mentors. Not meeting any good colleagues. Not attending any good dev classes.
I have self taught everything. After my uni kicked out, I founded my own work and working since then. Couldn't hire any great talent that can guide me with the pay I can afford.2 -
!dev
It’s sooo weird.
I’m generally not feeling happy or good or “okay”, I’m almost always rather shitty but just keep going through my day without complaining too much because that’s what most of us do..
Today, for the first time in at least one (very lonely, cold and boring) year, I went outside for a smoke and felt good. No idea why.
Everything was orangy/yellowish outside because of the clouds after the first sunny day in weeks.
Its raining slightly but not so much that you actually get wet.
I just had this feeling of “yea, that’s good enough” which I haven’t had in probably 4-5 years or so.
Maybe it’s because I got a little bit of sun for once and saw other people walking 2m around me, I don’t know..
But it felt good.
Does that feeling sound familiar to anyone or am I just finally going crazy?
I also apologise for my last 50 rants not being about dev or rant but I’m lucky to not have much to rant about in my current job 😅10 -
When you Valgrind your program for the first time for memory leaks and get "85000127 allocs, 85000127 deallocs, no memory leaks possible"
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How I feel when my family says "Sure you can fix the TV! if you can make a video game, this shouldn't be a problem."
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3rd yr in college to become a Dev and have realized that school doesn't give half as good info as I can find by teaching myself. So question is, am I going to college for a reason? or am I just
10 -
We need to be learning from other's mistakes. A good weekly topic would be "a time you really failed as a dev, and what you learned".4
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That moment when a social situation makes you feel bad, so you come over to dev rant and feel good with your life.3
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PM, on kickoff meeting: good code speaks for itself, need no documentation
PM, on UAT day: how does this features work, where is the documentation for it?
Dev: Just do me a favor and go fuck yourself.1 -
some senior dev told me about 8 or 9 years ago that i'm going to be a good developer or an alcohol addict in the future. guess what... #teambeer ;)3
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Lead Dev: Could you please make blahblah for us to use while making blah?
Me: Sure, np
Me: (to friend) hey could i test the connection for blahblah on ur pc
Friend: Sure, not doing anything anyway
Me: Thanks!
Me: Finds issues, fixes, and finishes blahblah
Me: Can i just borrow ur pc one more time
Friend: Ok... looks like its working
( i leave the room to fix small bug )
Lead Dev: (Friend) just showed me blahblah,he really did a good job on it
Me: ... Oh, yeah, he didnt rlly do anything though.. I just needed his pc to test it
Lead Dev: oh yeah, but, yknow he really did a good job on it, im sure u did too..
Me: ...2 -
As a primarily back end dev, I'm not very good at design. So i wrote a Ruby script to download free html + css templates... all 3600+ of them 😐3
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You know it's gonna be a good Friday when the dev team takes a work trip to the store to get beer.
Happy Friday everyone!2 -
!dev
Damn, does it ever feel good to back in the gym.
Feels good to be taking care of the body as much as I usually do the mind.8 -
Manager: This dropdown is hard to use on mobile
Dev: I thought building this for mobile wasn’t in the scope?
Manager: I changed my mind. It’s a lot easier for me to test on mobile so just rework it so it works on mobile. But only for testing.
Dev: How about I make the dropdown a rotary dial instead?
Manager: Good idea!
Dev: …9 -
The past few weeks were not so good to me, but guess what, I got hired today. And now, i'm thankful that i got rejected from the previous ones. Wish me luck on my career as a junior dev. :)8
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I'll repeat what I wrote in an answer in another rant because I think it made a good story (I just realized it after writing it :p) :
I met a guy in my school who was the best of the school : I mean, he jumped over the first two years of the school (and he started from scratch, he never had programmed before).
I went to ask him how he got enough motivation to make all the two years projects in one and he told me something that made me understand why he was so good : "I'm fucking lazy, so when I code, I code something that I would use for a very long time, tools that will be useful in next projects".
By doing this, all he had to do in end-year projects was to assemble what he already had done to make the program. He had perfectly working tools that were awesome. So, he never had to work more than 10 hours a week after doing this.4 -
!dev
My boss told me that I should improve my posture since I was slouching. He said girls really dig good posture.
1. Highly doubt that
2. Is that why his wife married him?
2.5 If so, that’s low standards
3. I’m a programmer anyway so I’m afraid I’ll need more than good posture to get a girlfriend🤷♂️13 -
I couldn’t get a dev duck ,
So here comes Dev Spider-Man!!!
Well he’s obviously good at coding , cos you know , he works on the web 🤣
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Because DevOps in a lot of organizations is really “help desk for clueless developers”, conversations like this happen a lot:
Dev “hey the thing seems to be not working right”
Me “what does that even mean? I need you to be a good deal more specific. What thing. What isn’t working?”
Dev “I dunno”
Me “Are there error messages?”
Dev “yes”
Me “….would you like to share them with me?”
Dev *sends error*
Me “ok did you actually read this error message?”
Dev “yes”
Me “…so you’re good then? It says you’re trying to use a variable that hasn’t been declared yet. You should fix that. “
Dev “…”
Me “good luck”13 -
Manager: We need to fix this QA backlog. I’m going to share the workload of doing QA.
Dev: Please don—
*Dev email notification getting spammed with approvals*
Dev: …Are you even pulling the code down to test it locally?
Manager: There’s no time for that! We have to get this PR backlog pushed through! I’m just looking at the code to see if it looks good and approving based on that.
*Later that day*
Manager: HEY NONE OF THE FEATURES ON STAGING MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AT ALL. THIS IS A BUGGY MESS, WHAT HAPPENED GUYS??
Dev: …6 -
Is it really possible to become a good dev with only sololearning ?
I'm a student that already destroy my dev teacher(bad school, no money) so I'm trying to improve myself, but i cannot see the result.. :(13 -
Me: I deprecate a react component, because it's bloated and no longer makes sense, and I let everyone on the team know that we're working to get rid of that component
Other Dev: Hmm, if I copy this component for every time that it is used, rename all of my copy's and delete the original, I got rid of the deprecated component...
Me: After hearing that deprecated component was removed... "Good job other Dev"
Me: A couple of weeks later after dev leaves company and I start adding some new features to the app "WTF" -
I’m a devRant virgin and also a new dev so...
Anyone got any general tips for a newbie? For example, what are some bad habits that newbie devs should avoid picking up? Good habits?30 -
This is what I love about fellow devs - they know what's best, you don't need to ask something like "please keep adding xyz to your post so we can see if it...". We just do it. :3
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A question for all the front-end developers of devRant. How the fuck do you get a really good color scheme for a website?
P. S. I am not a front-end dev so please simple words17 -
So, we’ve a small UK based dev team, we follow good practices and get good results. But ‘they’ want to deploy quicker (it was suggested we skip the test phases...) but don’t want to invest in more staff.
So their suggestion is to outsource development to Bangladesh and have us in-house devs work on discovery and innovation.
I’m uncomfortable with this as it feels they are thinking they can get quicker and cheaper dev done abroad (which I hate as it feels disrespectful to my fellow dev brothers n’ sisters).
Also disjointed as in my experience planning and dev’ing work best when you can talk face-to-face.
Thoughts?
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Dev: I see you have tattoo
Person: I do. Thank you.
Dev: I never said it was good
*dev walks away and person looks at their tattoo
I'm glad i got to experiance this beautiful moment -
I usually never had like a serious fight with a other dev I have a really good team but occasionally when I do this is my response. 🙂
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The end is here, someone pulled the Internet plug!!!!!
Fuck, stackoverflow is affected, my dev days are over!
Global 503 Whooooo
Good Job Fastly, making me work after hours.
https://status.fastly.com/6 -
The worst dev I’ve interviewed is the only dev I’ve interviewed.. Which is probably one of the best colleagues I’ve ever worked with, and a really good dev.2
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Even though I bragging about how good my few projects are to the people I talk to them about, I undervalue my worth as a developer.
Even though I am desperate for money, I've only recently started trying to get work in the dev community (with little success) because I actually feel that I'm not a good enough developer..17 -
Today I was writing Selenium tests and was struggling to find a good way to test a text editor. We did a weekly code review and my team lead rewrote the test ij 10 lines to generically handle all cases.
Hopefully I'll be a good dev someday. 😔4 -
!rant
It‘s just amazing how much a proper type system and a modern language makes refactoring a good dev experience.3 -
Damn that's a lot of hours every day. He/she has top 1 on Wakatime leaderboards.
Good job, whoever you are.
(Oh, and guess that a Mac CAN be used as a dev machine 😉)
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I was being interviewed by a tenured Java Dev for a position of android Dev in a big company. it was a glass walled cubicle, and I could see in the reflection that he was browsing stack overflow and asking me the questions. My answers, although correct, didn't match with the accepted answer in stack overflow. sigh. felt good to be rejected.1
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When a dev says that he's a really good programmer in his CV/Résumé he usually actually means that he's really good at browsing stackoverflow4
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Me ( a python dev) pointing to a good java joke in dev rant to my brother who happens to be working at TCS for the past 5 years as a Java Developer...
Me: Java is shit...
He: huh java is the best! every language in the world is written over java. My manager said this.
Me: I think I will kill him today in his sleep.4 -
Nothing good will ever come by looking at your old projects. It is the dev equivalent of reading your old social media posts.5
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Ha ha just this happened, One young man is building some shit on Wordpress with bunch of free plugins. And he said i'm a good dev. And he's login page load speed is 47 seconds.2
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!dev
can you guys suggest me good TV/Anime series with few seasons or episodes so I can use my Sunday. Not in a mood for work.38 -
Any other 30+ year old developer that didn't start the dev career too long ago and gets completely depressed when surfing on Quora? Reading 100 about "developer career being over after 30" when mine started at 29 isn't too good a motivation23
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Started a new gig doing APIs and deployment pipelines. After a few weeks a new boss came on the scene and decided I'm now a web dev, and the API and pipelines are going to be scrapped, and replaced by something with less availability and scalability.
Anyone looking for a good back-end dev?
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Today at 'Derp & Co' a fellow co-worker decided that had duplicated data on Relational DB is good!
- Dev: 'but what if we have 2 companies in diferents groups?''
- co-worker: 'Just call it company A and Company B'
- Dev: 'but... this is not what...'
- co-worker: 'Trust me Dev, is the easy way'
I want the professional way, not the easy (and damn wrong) way :(, I can't improve myself like this.
Also, dead line is here too... TT^TT
Last sprint and still with doubts about the DB structure.12 -
!dev
finally, after a week of helping my friend to learn the basics of front-end web development, he got the internship at one of my friend's office ( he set up the interview on my request).
It does feel good.1 -
My biggest dev regret was that I've followed other people's dream.
I lost precious time into trying being the "good kid" for my family and support them in their time of need.
Now I'm considered old for a starter and getting a dev job becomes harder with each passing day.4 -
They've just brought in a desk to my office. They're gonna bring another Dev in...
This guy apparently works Erlang, Ocaml, Python... I work all C# so this is bound to be fucking good! Hahaha I'm happy.
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I still wonder why people go to programming classes thinking a dev is paid a lot. Not all devs are paid a lot and it takes passion and hard work to be a good dev. Don't just go there for the money. You'll regret wasting your life.4
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Unpopular opinion:
- It's not a guarantee that someone who gets into tech because he/she likes gaming will be a good dev
- It's not a guarantee that someone who gets into tech because he/she likes money will be a bad dev.3 -
This senior dev of mine is so good that he always reminds me to finish the bugs and yeah, fixed it, and sent the codes to him. The hell's wrong with him is that he hasn't upload the codes i sent to him.2
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There is no such a thing as a good dev days. There are only bad and worse days. Unless you are millionaire and you don't have to deal with clients.
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At the beginning of my IT career I was so desperate to get into this field that I even read a PHP 4.3 intro book and applied for a php dev role
yes, I was THAT desperate. Good thing I wasn't hired.3 -
A great corporate culture, pleasant coworkers, a caring manager, meaningful work, and a good salary. Hmmm. Thank you for reminding me that I have a pretty close to ideal Dev job. I can live with what's missing. 🤠
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This last year has been really good. First job where I am only a dev. Learned a shat ton about modern C++. So 2019 would be my fav year.
However, I think my favorite moment as a dev was when I realized I could go anywhere I wanted as a dev. That small amount of inspiration when you realize, given enough time, you could recreate the universe in code.
At that moment time became the enemy of ambition.1 -
Wanna know how to piss off an entire dev team?
Agree that progressive isn't good enough, must be native.
And supporting ie7 & 8 won't take much extra time or effort...2 -
(I guess the Question category is the best for this)
Do you believe that someone can be a good dev even if they write shit code?
I personally do, if that person acknowledges the fact that their code is shit, wants to improve it, is humble, is always in the search for constructive, etc as in to make their code better and more readable, I'd think they are a pretty good dev.2 -
Following situation:
6 people sitting on a table having a few beers Friday evening.
3 Devs and 3 non-Dev people. The devs were talking about stories and problems with customer service...
So far so good... Suddenly one dev came up and said:
Hey guys! I have a very funny and interesting "GoDaddy" story to tell!
The faces of the non dev people were priceless because they imagined a totally different story.....4 -
When you don't know if you should start a developer tutorial channel. I have a good mic, 4 years dev experience and good editing skill. Should i?10
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Show 10 lines of code to a dev.
Dev: It could be improved here and there, it can be optimized way better etc.
Show 5000 lines of code to dev.
Dev: Looks good!5 -
web dev agency makes a job ad that fits exactly my skill set.
*send an email in a good form with resume and everything*
No acceptance, no decline, no "we'll look at it", just nothing...
just fucking die already -_ -4 -
I start my first mid level dev job tomorrow after securing a job on a 10k pay increase. Feels good man,my junior days are over ^=^2
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That moment a non dev friend wants to get into web dev and ask you want he needs, you give him a list with 5 languages, 20 libraries/frameworks to use, 8 tools, 25 devices to use to test and a letter saying "Good luck learning all of that"1
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Last day in the office. I started remembering good old memories. Felt nostalgic and doubted my new job as they were not giving rise as per my expectation.
Then, my manager comes up with his divine improvement in the good working site (not for me but for other dev).
I felt sorry for my fellow mates and started praising my new job.1 -
I feel like there should be "dev recruiter" position that people with developer skills could fill. Every time I go to an interview, I just know the person asking me dev related stuff has no fucking clue about anything I'm saying, it's printed all over their faces.
A good developer almost instantly knows if you know your craft or not.
Let's not keep wasting everyone's time -
Is there a dev who knows a good webpage to get started with kotlin and spring?
I've searched a lot but can't really find something good. So I'd be very happy :)
Thank you7 -
What the best database solution for web and smartphones dev?
Is mysql the good choice?
I’m an “old” dev with old usage, php-mysql-JavaScript.
Is it a 2018 solution or am i a dinosaur?
All data will be stored on server side. Web and smartphone app as client.
Thanks for your experience sharing.6 -
I heard in one dev podcast saying "Know everything about something and something about everything". I think it's very good moto in your dev career and general in life3
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So how on earth is Strict MVC good for web dev. A variation of MVC works well but strict principles no!!!5
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Did a wireframe walkthrough and a fellow dev ask, "Which language is the app written in?" "Visio, exported to PDF ..." Guess it was a pretty good wireframe.1
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One day at the office at whoever built Laravel
Dev: sir, most of devs use php, we can use good old php expressi...
Boss: no, dump all of them, we'll create our own functions that do same job
Dev: ok... So our devs will use mysql, we can use sql quer...
Boss: dump them all too, again, we will make our own functions that dont look anything like that
Dev: we can also use standard...
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Google cloud platform.
1. Great documentation and support
2. Good free tier & dev freebies
3. Cloud console + SDK rock
4. Did I mention the great documentation?
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Be me
Newb Ui dev
New job , learn c#
Become xaml pro first
Newb ui dev
Today building menu
It's breaking ree.
Ok I go through an fix
Part fixed
No reee
Commit build for other my senior dev
We have online compiler
Receive build fail
Reeee
My code is good
I'm sweating bullets
I call other dev
Yo I f***** up
Help me
Go figure it out ... reeee
I go spend 40 mins
Don't know what is killing build
Reeee intensifies.
Going to shit diamonds
Reeeeeee
Other dev, lol my bad I turned on somethin that break ur build. Your not fired congrats.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeee3 -
Did I really go to university, have object oriented programming taught to me from scratch and embedded in me as best practice, work with OO frameworks for 3 years and become a damn good web dev just to use Drupal?7
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I think a good path to dev education is if you are interested in it as a teen and try out coding and keep failing. Persistence and interest will bring you farther than just going straight to uni/dev school.1
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Why does everyone screenshot a Tweet, instead of using a perfectly good app 'Tweet2Pic' being available on Play Store.
P.S: I am the dev, shamelessly promoting my app. I am not sure if I can share links here 😅
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I started iOS app dev thinking there’s good scope in the future,now I hear people saying app dev is gonna die switch to data science. Tf6
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After 2 weeks of ranting I have honestly ran out of rants.
Either my life as a dev is too good or I'm clearly not coding enough.
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What's the best dev-related book you ever read?
I've sure I'm forgetting some, but I'll go with "Don't Make Me Think".
Thought I might see if there's anything intriguing I've not come across yet.4 -
Really loving all these Udemy sales and humble book bundles, a lot of is for programming and some of them are actually really good!
It's a good time to be a Dev! -
Take me into the organization as a dev
tell me that I'm supposed to bring ideas and tell you how to improve and what's required
I do that
You ignore me
You expect ultra performance and good profits
GO FUCK YOURSELF7 -
Dev goals on the 1st of January:
- learn vulkan
- get a good paying job
Dev goals on the 3rd of January:
- not getting drafted2 -
Do you consider good appearance in the dev world important, or at least necessary?
(just want to hear ideas)4 -
Front-end dev is on holiday and I have to deal with this.
188 lines of Less overriding default Boostrap styles, plenty of those god awful "!important"s.
I switched to CSS-in-JS for good reason.
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The dev before me stored all the emails and passwords as plain text in the database. This is not good. Not good at all.1
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HR: "you are the highest paid dev on team"
Dev: Then not just me, the entire team should get a hike 🥴
HRs are hired because they are good negotiators.
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My first job was at an e-learning firm, and I was a part of the team that made the digital content.
The team had a really good spirit. Often too good, as our team manager often gave up on us and left our weekly status meetings because we were all just joking and having a good time.
Still, we usually did an OK job and delivered on time.
Those were good times. Now I'm just a single dev without a team in a pretty large company. Luckily, I'm away on paternity leave atm.2 -
Me: *ranting to my friend who isn’t a dev (but is in IT and a good knowledge of networking) about a problem I came across in my project.
“I don’t know how I’ll send folders”
Him: “just compress it before hand and decompress when it’s sent”
Me: *mind fucked*
Have any of you guys gotten surprisingly good ideas from non programmers?10 -
I dreamt about bugs this night. Not software bugs, but actual bugs, like a centipede that enjoyed attaching itself to the inside of my palm and such... Not sure if dev related or not, not a good dream either way :/5
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What would be a good dev burial?
I'm thinking somehow represent my ashes in binary, commit my testament and have my loved ones do a git push.11 -
bug comment in the tracker, from the new junior dev, during her first week:
"probably fixed by [other dev]".
Among the unhelpful comments, this was a special gem. really special. a What the Fuck did you mean by that special. Was it fixed or not? who fixed it? [other dev]? someone else?
it was better not to have any comment at all.
later that junior became a really good dev... -
So it seems Mr. Bean has still got it :)
Anyone have a good Dev meme for this shot? (He's looking at a fat guy with 2 young girls in his arms.)
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A non dev has no right to pass judgement whether a dev is good or not. Be it engg manager or a product manager or any other manager6
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Could a freelance dev let me know how they find clients? Not just the ones from sites online and such, but the good clients, 3-4 month projects, proper prices?4
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Problem of a beginner dev who's looking for a job:
*When you've become good in a certain framework and yet the company that you're applying to prefers native -
So I just started learning programming specifically c# cause that's what my dev uncle recommended for beginners. I hope I can meet interesting and good people around me :)15
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Any Ruby on Rails developers here? I‘m an Angular Frontend-Dev and want/need to learn RoR, especially for backend development. Any good books/tutorials/resources?8
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So turns out android Q got the first Dev preview... Come on Google, you can turn material design 2.0 around and make it look and feel good, I believe in you!!!!
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The world has move to a dev culture of making good reliable RESPONSIVE and immersive programs.
But bank apps and system still suck5 -
Be good at speaking! I've landed 3 dev jobs, without any formal education, merely because I'm good at talking. Bigly good!3
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Worst dev experience: Started vim, could not escape, had to get a new computer... 😐
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how do you tell a junior dev on your team there code is shit and please don't push to the main codebase without approval first,
without crushing them and and sounding like an ass cause there a good person just a n00b developer8 -
Non-dev: Good science, tech, and/or video game inspired drinks, whisky-based or otherwise?
To start: http://imgur.com/a/zJwy14 -
I feel like front end guys and gals are basically the folks that make the back end guys and gals look good for the boss. Not in a straight dev shop, but when your boss thinks html is a programming language...3
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!rant
Does anyone have any good podcast to listen to about programming? Preferably anything related to web dev but anything is welcome5 -
I thought it would be a good idea to name my dev blog after a common runtime exception. I started looking up un claimed domain names. I guess stackoverflow.com is taken. Next idea... indexOutOfBounds...?12
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Any good resource for dev related news/blog posts?
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sends new dev online read about how to write good commit messages.
does not write a good commit message.
pushes code.
OTL1 -
Sorry if this isn't very dev related:
Does anybody know any good freelancing websites for artists, illustrators, ui/ux designers, etc. ?
I've seen upwork, but they're so uptight they don't accept everyone.5 -
When you get brought into a new dev job and the lead tester says "oh good, the junior bug boy is here"... Not sure if he thinks I'll be squashing them or making them...
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Is GoDaddy any good? I've seen that Google has opened .dev domains floodgate and I was wondering about starting my own page. Dunno which hosting service to choose and if I even should make my own website considering I'm not a Web Dev 😅19
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As a junior dev, i really appreciate these wk58 rants. Every time i begin to doubt my abilities, i get some insights into the work of past geniuses, and i feel like im doing pretty good for a rookie
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I'm starting to think that I could listen to some podcasts while I work, to learn things in the background.
Would you recommend good podcasts?
I'd like to listen to software dev good practices, or real life dev stories to learn from. Also videogame dev related would be good too.5 -
Dev bootcamps? I went to one! Probably the best decision I ever made.
They aren't perfect, they're pricey, and they won't make you an expert, but it's a good way to expedite a new career, gives a good base knowledge to start out. -
!dev
Some on here are very open about having addictions or using external things 'to keep going', be better or whatever else reason. I do too myself. (please don't get butthurt)
What do you think about weed & dev instead of - or even with - alcohol & dev?
BTW, I just noticed this (2 hours ago! I didn't know there are limits, which seems like a good idea..). I deem it obligatory to share. It's also the reason I'm asking 😁
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Which smartass frontend dev thought it would be a good idea to put a cancel button just over the captcha button? Or the website just isn't responsive...
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Biggest dev ambition:
Be good enough to:
1. Get featured: press or App Store
2. Win Grand Prize in Google Code-In (trip to Google HQ)
3. Win WWDC scholarship3 -
first experience with ios development and ios designer with xamarin.ios..
as an Android guy, I find yhe way apple make building UI too disturbing and not helping dev to do the job more fastly.
but anyway, it's a good opportunity -
!dev related
This year I started watching animes 😅.. and watched 30+ anime. also got hobby of editing anime clips just for fun and it turned out.. good. I got 500 subs on YT and 8k on snap 😹. good time pas when not doing coding 🥱1 -
!dev
Monster Hydro sucks. Why did I think it would be a good idea to try this instead of an actual Monster?5 -
Is it a good idea to start learning Python? I'm a PHP dev but I really want to get out of my comfort zone and try something new. Moreover, I think as a PHP dev, I don't really have a future.4
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Hey guys i was thinking about learning web development, mainly to make web apps, I already know C# and C++, but web dev looks so much different, can you advice me some good resources to start ?9
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I know I can't be the only one of us that listens to dev related podcasts. Does anyone have any good ones they'd like to share? I'm looking for something more entertaining than Software Engineering Daily, yet more informative than MS Dev Show.1
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i am indeed working for some fun litte projects with the Dev Rant Unofficial Wrapper API and it looks good to use it! Now. Lets make some Action!
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MICROSERVICES ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTION FOR GOOD DEV PRACTICES, IF YOU WERE A WERECODER BEFORE MICROSERVICES, A MIGRATION WILL NOT TEACH YOU/YOUR TEAM HOW TO CODE.4
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!dev related, kinda
Why did the devs think it was a good idea for the iPhone to have the flash go off as a notification, I feel like the person opposite me was having a strobe light show5 -
Let's say you're pretty good frontend dev, a bet geeky about strong typing. And you're paired with an API backend, and it's PHP. You would think it's pain when it's bad PHP. No, real pain is when it's good PHP, and backend dev embraces and uses dynamic nature of the language to an extreme.3
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I love commitstrip comic. There are others like Dilbert, devhumor, turnoff etc. Some are not continued now like Programmers life, which was also good. Which are your favourite comics related to dev?4
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Ok, OnePlus nice fucking job!
I receive all of my notifications even during night and I lose around 4% per night - this is almost iPhone level!5 -
Did any body ever applied to a job at SO jobs? The conditions looks really good but it looks like they are only for senior dev or sharp profile on some extinct technologie.. did it ever work for any of you guys?5
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Why, just why do 4k devs find this a good idea https://github.com/sindresorhus/.....
Don't get me wrong I respect this oss dev a lot, I just think readme's should be boring with the least distraction possible.20 -
!dev
Zero carbs for a full week, went pretty good. Didn’t feel tired or anything..
UNTIL.. I got out my whiskey today..
It’s pumping me up so hard..
my hard rate must be around 120 or so..
Too much energy..16 -
Not ranting. Just wonder, dapper + repository pattern, a good idea? And how it relates to unit of work? As dapper doesnt have iqueryable like entity framework has. C# dev ranters, enlighten me, show me the way 🐒💡💡
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Exercise and sports are good ways of relax and get some discipline. Writting, either blog posts or simply for yourself improves your communication skills. On the communication side, I've specially noticed that I improved by doing talks (dev and no-dev) even if it wasn't for and audiance of more than 30. Games also helped me with problem solving and management. There's a lot a stuff 😅
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I am in love with Electron JS.
Started Programming with Desktop development(Visual Basic),in my high school.
After a detour of trying Gamedev,Webdev,several frameworks, feels good to comeback and try Desktop dev.
Gonna dive deep...........5 -
My badass dev moment was when I read a valve white paper on text rendering and implemented a dynamic text version of it in webgl. That white paper was about signed distance fields and how to hack the alpha channel of an image to bake in some font smoothing data.... Holy fuck that felt good. Oh and it looked good too!1
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!dev
A good conversation must be like a mini skirt. Short enough to cover the subject, long enough to retain the interest.2 -
I got an interesting quesrion. People asking me why i started programming and i realised quickly.. I started so never had to deal with people and fast forward a few years i got the opposite, only difference is. I found like minded and good people that love what they do and I am glad with that, maybe abrupt but in my mind, good decision.
So in the end, thank you all regardless of your upbringing, past and where you are in your career. You're the reason all of us actually find comfort in talking to people. Where it be rants good or bad
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!dev
Hey guys, I'm looking for a good pc game to buy (fps, single player and online multiplayer) and I'm considering pre-ordering battlefield 5 since it seems very promising, but it won't be out until 20/11 so if you know any good games please let me know, thanks!12 -
Do you use any other IDEs as Android Studio or Eclipse? I dont wanna use Eclipse and AS is to buggy :(. I only search an good ide for Android dev (using java)13
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!dev
Wrote a script that overwrote all of my content from reddit prior to deleting it.
Fuck you, Spez. You ruined a good thing. The SJWs can have their new home, idgaf.1 -
I got into dev during the AOL 2.5 days where everyone was creating proggies and punters. I was obsessed with the AOL API designed for Visual Basic (VB4 at the time).
So essentially I got into dev to break shit and make peoples lives miserable. Good times.2 -
Looking to get into networking and security to help with my code in general. Any of you dev have a good recommendation book wise?3
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After a weekend of struggling with dev, I am finally seeing some progress...Slowly but surely.
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Having an argument about "empty" function in php.
someone told me that we shouldn't use this function because this is deprecated and doesn't work on php 5.3.
He has this opinion because once we took a site live and there few conditions broke. And they were like this " if ( empty($this->input->post())"
While I was trying to tell basically it wasn't empty fault I used it wrong, because the docs says nor its deprecated neither it'll break if we just use variables in it and not functions.
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that moment when you decide to become and indie app dev and there are plenty of guides that tell how to be a good indie dev but no guides that teach you how not to get fucked by your own government...2
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My dear JavaScript Dev friends is this a good day rate for a JS developer?
At £220 a day, I think I'll stick with VBA for now if that's the case.
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I don't know if I'd quite say it's MY specialty yet but the company I work for specializes in automation. I'm technically a support/DevOps person atm but they've got me heading more more back into dev work (which is good)
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So my former dev decided it was good idea to write a native module for our react native project, so that every time we call our api... we have a pass through the RN bridge.
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Has anyone used Trello for project management? If yes, what are your thoughts on it? Would it be good for a small IT/Dev team?3
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!dev
Just about done with a 14 hour work day, drinking a koolaid jammer, bout to play some video games. Life is good can I get a Alleluia?
Seriously though, nothing bad to rant about, and I’m kinda going insane.2 -
Just discovered a public API that support perpage parameter.
Immediately try 99999
And……… it works!
Getting everything in one go!
Good dev on the other side -
Life is good.
Nah, that's it, not a rant, just wanna cheer you up for a few seconds of your today's dev agony. <34 -
Mostly on hackathons and dev related events.
The community can be so friendly. Even I learned some good stuff.
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I'm majoring in comp sci but I feel like I'm not learning what I need to be a good dev.
Anyone got any advice?6 -
Kinda dev related... Is a 250 GB SSD good enough for dual booting windows and Linux, while putting documents and crap on an HDD?1
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for android mobile dev
do we really need to learn retrofit?i know that is part of RestApi, but retrofit is really hard to learn and less tutorial about it,maybe if anyone good information its really helpfull for begginer like me,thanks.8 -
Well, they were pretty glad I came up with a better plan than acting (I was not that good at it) and the stars aligned for the dev life. The fact that two of my cousins are extremely successful devs probably helped1
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Voice call with the whole dev team
Former team leader: Yeah, basically we stopped using RxJS because it ended up being too complicated, every minor problem required so much code to solve :(
IHateForALiving, extremely loudly: WELL WELL WELL, GOOD FUCKING MORNING, SUNSHINE3 -
I'd love to get stickers, but first I need laptop instead of PC :D any ideas for good cheap laptop for web dev? :)8
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Finally moved into New Position in a DEV Center, feels good to get more interesting requests and challenges :)
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Happy new year guys and gal. Been a great year and hope next year would be bring good luck and prosperity to all dev rant community here.
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I never had a fight. And I mean never at all, not just dev-related.
I'm not sure that this is a good thing.
Sometimes I wonder, does this mean that I'm a good diplomat, or that I'm not relevant enough to argue with?1 -
Want to get into mobile dev, as i am pc and android phone user, so getting in android dev would be logical choice. Was thinking of iOS market as well so is/was learning Flutter(Dart). Is it a good choice? Or just stick to android? Let me know your suggestions? Thx for everything ^^3
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So I've been looking at web dev job apps recently and reading over some of the requirements needed and almost every company advertising for a web dev is also wanting a web developer who is also a 10/10 web designer... this proper irks me as after doing a course which helps you ease easily into the web industry being a competent designer wasn't a requirement.
Why is it that to be a web dev now days you need to be also good at designing?1 -
!rant but I need some advice, I've got to interview a new front end dev but have never interviewed anyone in my life, does anyone have any good front end questions I could ask?7
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podcasts... any recommendations?
I'm just beginning to listen to them and don't really know what's good lol. so any recommendation in general?
and If there's any tech related ones or about software dev it'd be great. tyyy 😄14 -
A beautiful Friday night on an island with plenty of drinks and katsu!
Life is great sometimes! Don't code too hard guys. Have a drink!3 -
I ain't getting any summer internship so thinking to do a good course on big data and hadoop. Can't find the free proper source for beginners😕! Any suggestions? Whats your plan btw..m thinking to dive into web dev as well.2
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If all dev job were taken by AI, I'll probably go back to making dolls and fabric jewelry. Is not as good a source of income as being a dev but you can survive off it.
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I just started a web dev course.
I definitely hate bootstrap, jquery-mobile and all their fucking classes.
Does it exist a good reference poster (or something else printable) with all these classes and what they do?3 -
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Hello dev friends!
Have you ever been in a situation where you've had two job offers at the same time and you want it to end on good terms? How have you handled this? :)2 -
We're re doing our company website and they put a non dev on our team for extra "hands" but when she's pushing code and re writing my shit that makes me a little nervous. Good grief we need a merge to master5
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Just found out about HookTube and Mastodon (I'm @digitaldina) and I was wondering if anyone else knows some good Dev/security related apps/sites that are useful? Also, I'm tinkering with app dev now and I'm wondering if any of you would recommend starting out using Firebase? Is it any good?
Please let me know in the comments I'd love to find out :)7 -
Hi dev fellows !
I would like to know what is the best app (nice interface, simple / clean and effective metodology, with lessons / exercices, etc) to learn new langages ? Like python, Java, etc.
I have already Py and Enki which are pretty good.4 -
Spent a good hour trying to query for data in DEV. I was seeing the data on the page but not getting any results back time after time, checked everything.
Looked closer and found out I was querying the QA database... 😤😧 -
Anyone else grow up coding through online dev communities?
I grew up on this 2d ORPG game engine derived from mirage that had a smf2 forum driven community.
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After how much dev experience you wrote your firs API ?
what are essential steps to write a small good api?11 -
Do you guys have or recommend any dev certs? I want to know your experience good / bad. Im looking at getting some under my belt4
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Can't find a good dev internship here, sure imma move out. Trying to move out, nuuh u uh, you need a years experience to get a resident-work permit in any good country that's got dev internships. Now do I go in as a master's student or what now :(4
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Not really sure about a good dev teacher experience... most of them either bullshitted or had a beef with me... learnt most of the stuff on my own i guess
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« Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress. » - Gandhi
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So y'all chill, there are levels to this dev sh*t.
The question you are asking today on Stack Overflow has been asked and answered 9 years, 8 months ago — you might as well make it 10 years for good measure.1 -
I'm an Android dev but now I'm looking to also create cool stuff on Arduino anyone know any good tutorials1
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Hey, do you have good questions for a junior dev interview? I have things in mind for the interview, but maybe you have something unusual to offer?10
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Hello all, recently I have been doing alot of front end work in web forms and lead generation. I would love to learn more about marketing and how it can be applied as a dev.
Does anyone recommend any good books atall?
Thanks!2 -
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Currently, cause holiday camp for the children
Probably a good idea to collect some social skills there, as that's nothing that is required or learned with my dev job -
Firstly give me the skill equivalent to the best in the field. If the rules allow it all of these skills listed and if not any of these :-
1. Computer networking to the point of having the same knowledge as the best in the field. Why? I am curious about that stuff and being able to work as a network engineer if I don't get a good Dev job
2. Cyber security. Why? I enjoy it and being able to make sure my code is not easily exploitable is a cherry on top. Also having a backup job in case I don't get a good dev job
3. Being able to communicate with non dev people about developer or non developer stuff easily and being a really good leader.
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Can anyone suggest good newsletters/forums for dev articles?
lobste.rs is one such good forum I know.
dev.to can be good at times but it doesn't really have a lot of good posts for someone who's not a newbie.2 -
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Sorry for the non-dev question, but does anyone know of any good emulators for PS4?
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Spend hours trying to activate dev mode on iphone with ios > ios 8 :( PLEASE HELP !!!!
Why apple always remove good features...1 -
Which YouTube channel is good for beginning to learn arduino?
P.S: I'm a web dev without iot knowledge6 -
What is better for a Junior position front end or backend? I like both and I don't want to apply to full stack positions cause it's exhaustive and salary not worth it and not good as a starting point for a dev journey.14
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Is there a chance to get a job trough good connections in the dev world?
I know some guys, that are good friends of mine :)5
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